PGA Tour: Roll Over Jim Furyk . . . . : Notes from the Ballwasher

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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 21 Mar - 20:31

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1). . . . . . and tell Zach Johnson the news.
The King of Rock and Roll died last weekend, so here's some fun inspired by some of his best known songs.
Furyk departed the owgr Top 50 this week, slipping from 50th to 57th. Perhaps not that surprising following Furyk's injuries which kept him out of action for eight months, plus his customary extended Christmas Holidays.
But Zach Johnson, who started the year in 38th place has slid to 50th.
Are these two notable careers grinding to a halt, or is it just a case, to paraphrase Chuck Berry:
Of golfing's version of "rockin' pneumonia", "rollin' arthritis", catching up with them?
At least Zach is in the Majors and WGC's but Furyk's not in The Open or even the Bridgestone. Perhaps they'll be motivated this week.

2).No Particular Place to Go:
Ian Poulter's plight if he doesn't cash in on his final Medical Extension starts.
He had an excellent chance with the 54-hole lead, to win in Puerto Rico last year, so this is a yuuuge opportunity for him to cash in and secure his place on Tour for the rest of the season. If not . . . . . .
And I'm not as optimistic as some who think he'll cash in on a trove of sponsor invitations. He still has "Past Champion" status though, so all wouldn't be lost.

3).Johnny (Jordan?) B. Goode:
A lot is made of a generation of golfers who left school in 2011 and are now enjoying success on Tour, led by Jordan Spieth; Justin Thomas and Smylie Kaufman are part of this group and they seem to have claimed Emiliano Grillo as well; apparently he played a number of Junior tournaments with this lot when at school in Florida. Pathetic to hear Johnny Miller to say "no-one had even heard of him" two years ago. That's what ignoring the European Tour will do for you Johnny.
"Some day (Jordan) you'll be a man, and you will be the leader of a big old band."
No doubt some leading Europeans or other "Internationals" are also of the 2011 vintage? Different band though.

4).My Ding-A-Ling:
Possibly the absolute worst song ever recorded by a credible artist, but a chance to remember Jonathan Kaye. You do, don't you?
Around the turn of the century, Jonathan Kaye was one of the most promising young golfers on Tour, a couple of good wins (Westchester & Phoenix), and had a very good chance of winning Darren Clarke's NEC Invitational (Bridgestone) Championship.
But his fame turned to notoriety when, in the words of golfchannel.com:

"A tournament official wouldn't allow him access without his identification badge, so he returned with it clipped to the zip of his (trousers)."

A lengthy suspension ensued and he also fell foul of injuries. But he won $10M in the days before FedEx swag. He hasn't made a Tour start since 2011, last cashed a web.com cheque in 2014, but played a couple of webbie's earlier this year. Still only 46, he could still make up for lost time (and money) by cashing in on the Champions Tour but good health and a positive attitude will be the least he needs to get himself up to speed. Hope he makes it, the Tour needs its characters, and he'll have a partial two-year Champions Tour exemption.

5).Sweet Little Sixteen ("Deep in the heart of Texas"):
Presumably Chuck was talking about a high school hottie, so let's leave him there - of course, he could have been dreaming about this week's MatchPlay, so let's chuck Chuck, Berry him and move on.

6).Success in the "Match Play" seems to go in cycles, the only constant for a while anyway, being T.Woods. Among those others with at least two Finals under their belts are: Toms, Love, Mahan, Ogilvy, Casey, Day and McIlroy, but none has really dominated.
So, the best has been Woods, whilst the golfer in this week's field with the worst record is Wood, Chris Wood - time to double up betting on him, he can't lose eight in a row, surely? (And even if Woody comes up empty again, he'll still earn a fraction of a world ranking point for his "efforts".)

7).The Tour has "opposite field" action this week, starting Thursday, at the Puerto Rico Open. A big chance for Poulter as mentioned before; he'll be competing against some others in the owgr Top 100, Bryan, Zanotti, Olesen, McDowell, Kirk, Danny Lee and Andrew Johnston.
Puerto Rico could well be seen as an afterthought, and the list of Champions is not Hall Of Fame material. But runners up have included very Young Guns including Jason Day, Ryo, Spieth and Grillo. And Sam Saunders.
I'll be choosing Fabian Gomez as my one-and-done this week.

8).Last year's Puerto Rico Champ was Tony Finau, but he's sitting in a comfy chair beside the first tee in Austin waiting as "first alternate" at the "WGC-Dell Match Play for Jason Day to call in sick.

9).Of those outside the Top 50 and not yet qualified for The Masters, Ross Fisher is the best placed. Eight years removed from leading, at one time or another, in every 2009 Major, Fish needs to win his group (tho' could possibly qualify with a group runner-up result). Competition in his "Group 4" be warned: Oosthuizen, Matsuyama and Furyk, who probably won't "roll over" after all.  

10).Zach Johnson may still have some life left in him yet but, if he setting his sights set on a sporting career beyond golf, it had better not be snooker. As you can see from this effort:


http://www.golfdigest.com/story/watch-zach-johnson-bank-his-bunker-shot-off-opponents-ball

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Re: PGA Tour: Roll Over Jim Furyk . . . . : Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 27 Mar - 20:41

Curran's having a lousy season and hasn't played for a month; assume he's injured - not good timing for him.
Surprised Stricker's playing the Champions event given his past relationship with "Houston".

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 27 Mar - 21:48

94 Golfers still signed up for The Masters, plus the final qualifier (sure Payne would say "invitee") due to be the Houston winner, if not already in the field. That 94 number includes Woods and Woosnam.
Assume Day & Molinari will be fit and Woodland will be able to compete.

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Post by Snap Hook on Mon 27 Mar - 22:29

DJ has made a sensible decision re SHO, dunno what Jack did a week before a major but TW rarely played, maybe WGC before the PGA.Rest up nothing to prove, let the opposition stew.

Poulters IJP design has gone bust and will close within a week or so. He has maximised his talent but the gravy train has hit the buffers - cue Poulter winning the Valero as I know nothing about pro golf! However too many keen golfers, who are younger and dare i say it with more natural talent to take the spoils. Maybe a litle harsh, but still the only pro golfer to lose his diamond encrusted ball marker mid round. Class is permanent and all that.





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Post by GPB on Mon 27 Mar - 23:35

Pieters, Hatton, Fleetwood have all taken STM on the PGATour.

STM = Special Temporary Membership

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Post by raycastleunited on Mon 27 Mar - 23:50

After 7 rounds in a week not surprising DJ wants a breather, more mental tiredness rather than physical.

I wonder if it annoys Tiger that DJ has won all 4 WGCs whereas Tiger never won the Champions.

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Post by beninho on Tue 28 Mar - 8:42

So these players getting STM, are they included in the Fedex list etc, and that how they can get their card for next season?

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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 28 Mar - 9:35

STM:

They can now accept unlimited sponsor invitations.

NOT eligible for FedEx Cup unless they win and qualify as Tour member as a result.

Best explained here:

http://www.pgatour.com/news/2017/03/27/thomas-pieters-tyrrell-hatton-tommy-fleetwood-special-temporary-membership.html



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Post by beninho on Tue 28 Mar - 9:40

Thats interesting, but how do they secure full membership if they don't win an event? Is it based on the number of FE points they get in comparison to the others at year end?

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Post by wiretapper on Tue 28 Mar - 10:15

Poulter is a charater. Love him or loath him he does (or more accurately, did) raise golf's profile and I don't doubt that there are people that watch and play now because of him.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 28 Mar - 10:55

ben,
They have to secure enough FedEx Cup pts in total equal to the 125th placed member. Which they've pretty much all done.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 28 Mar - 19:38

The editorial policy of Golf Channel p1sses me off, all right-wing, jigglecentric, Dalyesque, America-is-great.
Along the latter theme, why would they print this drivel from two chip-on-the-shoulder dufuses who should know better?

Kelly Kraft: "It's amazing to me how fast some of the Asian Tour / Euro Tour guys rise in the world golf rankings."

Grayson Murray: "Let's go and play over there and then we will be in every major and WGC event the rest of our lives!"

That's exactly what they should do, and let's see if they do any better there than the US. Name names and let's see who you should be beating. Otherwise, get your game together, start getting some good results and maybe you'll play a Major or two. Tip: Get a passport first.

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Post by GPB on Tue 28 Mar - 20:10

Kwini, Murray and Kraft are only saying what non-biased rankings have been indicating for years.

OWGR rankings have a anti-US PGATour bias because of the subsidies that the Japan, Asian, and yes the European Tour receive.

The study that you totally dismissed from datagolf shows that players underperform on the PGATour as compared to the EuroTour.

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Post by beninho on Tue 28 Mar - 20:18

Mirray and kraft any better than uline? Doubt it, he hasnt ripped up trees in europe, steady but nothing out of the ordinary. Heard him on the no laying up podcast. Sounds a decent guy.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 28 Mar - 20:23

GPB,
That's all very well, but who are they referring to? Name names. Otherwise, sour grapes.
I wish more Americans would play more on other Tours; Koepka flourished, as did Uihlein while he was healthy. Others not so much.


I still don't think the datagolf analysis draws the right conclusions, but we've been down that path before.

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Post by GPB on Tue 28 Mar - 20:51

I can speculate who they are talking about

How about

Scott Hend. T65 in Mexico
Jeunghun Wang. Solo 71 in Mexico
Yuta Ikeda. T61 in Mexico
Marcus Fraser. T58 in Mexico
Michael Hendry. T52 in Mexico
David Lipsky T63 in Mexico
K.T. Kim . 76th in Mexico
Sam Brazel T55 in Mexico

Yes, Hideto Tanihara found a purple patch this past week at the Dell Match Play. I am pretty confident that was an aberration. He was T30 something in Mexico and I don't like his chances of a Top 30 finish in Augusta next week.

BTW, I have done some further analysis on Datagolf's study. I took the 36 players and calculated the Strokes Gained against the field in Majors and WGCs. Would you like to see it? Here are the players that had 40 or more rounds in both WGCs and Majors.

Table:
WGC Majors PGAT
0.12 0.80 -0.06 BrandenGrace
0.40 0.88 0.41 IanPoulter
1.05 0.81 0.45 GraemeMcDowell
0.83 1.04 0.32 MartinKaymer
0.92 1.40 0.89 CharlSchwartzel
0.63 1.34 0.63 LouisOosthuizen
0.77 1.68 1.00 LeeWestwood
1.15 1.73 1.36 JustinRose
1.97 1.96 1.54 RoryMcIlroy
0.87 0.92 0.23 ErnieEls
0.32 0.62 0.06 PadraigHarrington
0.29 0.16 0.29 JamieDonaldson
0.31 0.74 0.63 ShaneLowry
1.08 0.35 0.76 PaulCasey
0.88 0.59 0.81 FrancescoMolinari
0.88 1.51 0.85 HenrikStenson
0.97 1.39 1.28 SergioGarcia
0.91 0.80 1.15 LukeDonald



Luke is the only golfer that performed better against PGATour Competition than WGCs and Majors

While GMac, Kaymer, Rory, Ernie, Paddy, Brendan Grace performed worse against PGATour competition than WGCs and Majors


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Post by pedro on Tue 28 Mar - 23:38

Agree kwini, who are they referring to? Hatton? Noren? Ikeda? Hardly journeymen as of lately.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 29 Mar - 1:01

Hi pedro,
No idea. From the same school of moronic ignorance that had Zach Johnson declaring the Nationwide (web.com) Tour was the second best in the world a few years ago.

GPB,
Just saw your post - pretty sure most of the golfers you mention played in Mexico because of their status on their home Tour, can't be bothered to check now, but were any of them there because of owgr placing? Seems highly unlikely. In that case, not sure that that doesn't make those snide remarks by Kraft and Murray even worse.

But, Thanks for yr analysis on the performance Tour vs Majors - I've now got to figure out what it means.
If it means Luke played better in regular Tour events than WGC's & Majors, no surprise.
And the six who played worse in bog standard Tour events also make sense, though a bit surprised about McDowell. They would fit nicely with my argument last month.


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Post by sirbenson on Wed 29 Mar - 15:42

Good to see Thomas Pieters, Ben An and Eddie Pepperell speak out against Murray and Kraft ignorant comments

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Post by GPB on Wed 29 Mar - 17:07

Gary Woodland has announced that his WD at the Dell was because his wife, pregnant with Twins, miscarried one of the babies.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 29 Mar - 17:36

sirb,
What did Pieters, Pepp and Ben An have to say?

EDIT: Was hoping to read any Euro riposte on the Golf Channel site, but nothing so far. It doesn't fit their mantra anyway, unlike Murray's stupid opinions which "luckily for us (Golf Channel), he's not afraid to share".
Just read Eddie's exchange of tweets with Kraft - very well put lad.



Sorry to read that about Gary Woodland and his missus; he DOES say that, as things currently stand, he plans to be in Augusta next week.

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Post by sirbenson on Wed 29 Mar - 20:58

http://www.golf.com/extra-spin/2017/03/29/thomas-pieters-ridicules-fellow-pros-tweeting-nonsense

Here is a condensed version of some of the tweets, also lots of other players and caddies (like Craig Connelly) weighing in

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Post by Be_the_ball on Wed 29 Mar - 21:16

GPB wrote:Gary Woodland has announced that his WD at the Dell was because his wife, pregnant with Twins, miscarried one of the babies.

Aw no thats awful. Sorry to hear that.

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Post by raycastleunited on Wed 29 Mar - 23:12

Kraft and Murray are nothing compared to Erica Bloom, I stumbled on one of her articles recently:

https://golf.clickon.co/2017/03/08/ian-poulter-shutting-clothing-line-no-one-knew/

Another pretend journalist who has almost certainly never left the USA and probably doesn't have a passport.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 29 Mar - 23:29

What a terrible article, right down to the punctuation.
If she's going to "London's Stevenage Market", hope she knows the way to King's Cross.

Thumper's mother was right . . . . . . . .

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Post by super_realist on Thu 30 Mar - 7:42

sirbenson wrote:Good to see Thomas Pieters, Ben An and Eddie Pepperell speak out against Murray and Kraft ignorant comments

Indeed, the majority of European players flying high in the rankings are playing the PGA primarily, so he's got no point. Just another oafish Yank demonstrating the national stereotype of being stupid.

Take Rahm for example. He has never played a European event.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 30 Mar - 10:50

This last Murray tweet says it all:

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/responds-murray-dont-be-jealous/


In other news, US tourism projected to be down $18Bn over next two years:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/29/trumps-travel-ban-could-cost-18b-us-tourism-travel-analysts-say/99708758/

Good job the pro golfers keep coming.


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Post by super_realist on Thu 30 Mar - 11:22

Didn't that fat, useless, deadbeat Jeff Overton make similar "overtones" about the European Tour? I can see Murray and Kraft's careers panning out the same way as him. Big fat nothings.


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Post by sirbenson on Thu 30 Mar - 11:34

Isn't it a tad hypocritical that he is ranked 155 based off results on the Web.com tour primarily?!


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Post by raycastleunited on Thu 30 Mar - 13:31

kwinigolfer wrote:What a terrible article, right down to the punctuation.
If she's going to "London's Stevenage Market", hope she knows the way to King's Cross.

Thumper's mother was right . . . . . . . .

My highlight was the comment that the website only listed prices in GBP and EUR so US customers couldn't make any purchases. Rolling Eyes

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