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Post by Fernando on Thu 23 Mar 2017, 11:11 am

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Two down, 18 to go. But let's not wish the season away.

Lewis Hamilton's victory in Shanghai last weekend ignited the battle at the top of the 2017 drivers' standings.

Sebastian Vettel followed up his win in Australia with second place, giving the multiple world champions 43 points each.

Will the battle in Bahrain come down to a straight fight between the two, or will a rapid 19-year-old Dutchman by the name of Max Verstappen make it a three-horse race?

Well, there is a good reason this race now takes place at night...

Bahrain by day is very warm, very dry and pretty devoid of atmosphere.

But come sundown, the Sakhir circuit becomes a spectacle featuring dramatically floodlit corners, long straights, and palm trees draped in fairy lights - an Instagrammer's dream.

The track is in the middle of the desert, about a 40-minute drive from the country's capital city, Manama.

That means the racetrack is one of the dustiest anywhere on the Formula 1 calendar, despite the organisers' best attempts to 'glue' the sand down - no, really.

No need to check the forecast for this one - it's going to be dry. It always is.

But the course is hard on the brakes - high-speed straights (the longest over a kilometre) lead up to tight hairpins and provide a great opportunity for the crowd-pleasing sparks to make their first appearance of 2017.

Hamilton and Mercedes. Again. With no Nico Rosberg to squabble with this season, it could be easy street for the Briton this year, especially with new team-mate Valtteri Bottas so far not proving up to the challenge of the three-time champion.

But it would be wrong to think Hamilton will have everything his own way given the pace of Ferrari, and Vettel in particular.

Speaking after the Chinese Grand Prix, Hamilton told reporters he is loving the fight with the four-time world champion.

"He is performing at his best - he is rapid out there - so when I am able to get ahead it is a compliment and vice-versa," he said.

It promises to be an exciting weekend.

Sorry to say it, but McLaren-Honda - again.

A double retirement in China showed how uncompetitive the 2017 car is despite Fernando Alonso's impressive opening lap.

"It will be another challenging race for us" said the Spaniard.

"The long straights don't make it easy and there's a lot for the engineers to work on.

"Brake wear and fuel consumption is high, and set-up is tricky as the track temperatures change a lot during the weekend, as we race later into the evening compared to the usual schedule.

Laps? 57
Top speeds? Sebastian Vettel clocked 339.1 kilometres per hour through the speed trap in 2015
Overtaking potential? Turn 11 offers one of the best overtaking opportunities around the track while Turn 12 can be one of the most exciting to navigate as a driver - a fast, uphill right-hander where you really have to hang on. No-one has won the race from lower than fourth on the grid - that was Jenson Button in 2009
Circuit Length? 5.412 km


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Post by dyrewolfe on Mon 17 Apr 2017, 10:55 am

Well that was quite an interesting race. The most overtaking I've seen so far this season...probably the best bit of driving was the back-of-the-pack tussle between Alonso, Palmer and some other guy whose name escapes me.

Seems that while Mercedes are still top for outright pace, Ferrari are good enough in race trim to stick with them. When they get their pit strategy right, they can get the jump on Mercedes and comfortably maintain a lead.

Obviously Vettel was helped by Merc contriving to mess up their pit stops, one way or another, but even without that, he'd still have had a narrow lead, which may have been all he needed (given the Mercedes doesn't work well in dirty air).

Lewis is demanding Merc step up their efforts and wring some extra speed out of the car, but I think they'd be better off looking at the chassis / set-up and aero. the car appears optimised for running in clear air and they need to realise they won't be doing this all the time.
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Post by GSC on Mon 17 Apr 2017, 11:02 am

On evidence the Ferrari is better in race trim when Vettels at the helm.

Faster and better on its tyres.

So far you have to draw the conclusion that Bottas cannot win this championship. Hamilton might be able to, but only if Mercedes prioritise him. You can be sure Ferrari aren't going to hesitate to pull Raikonnen out of Vettels way if he ever finds himself in that position.

Totos in a difficult spot. He s Bottas' manager and most likely the guy who pushed hard to put him in that seat. There's also likely some buried bad feelings between him and Lewis after the way last season ended. But Bottas looks like a number 2, in a close title fight you have to back your number 1. Especially given the fine margins seen this season.
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Post by GSC on Mon 17 Apr 2017, 11:08 am

Also not good for Toto is how fragile Mercedes look now they have a real contender. Ferrari now look the professional composed outfit.
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Post by GSC on Mon 17 Apr 2017, 11:13 am

The next 5 races (Russia, Spain, Monaco, Canada, Baku) are all likely to be tough on the rear tyres. So if Merc have a problem, they need to sort it sharpish
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Post by Just John on Mon 17 Apr 2017, 11:56 am

It's a first stint issue, for Mercedes. Somehow, they need to limit the damage in that stint, and wait until the second phase of the race kicks in, when their package comes to life, on lowering fuel levels. Hence, the pattern of Saturdays. Prioritising Hamilton is an absolute must from now on, they can't afford for Valtteri to hinder Lewis. Toto has already admitted it. ''It is not what we have done the past couple of years. But the situation is different now''.

I don't think the advantage is huge for Ferrari, even in those first stints. Vettel has been unable to actually overtake a Mercedes, it's been strategy that has leapfrogged him ahead of his rivals, in Aus & Bahrain, something Mercedes need to sharpen up on, for sure.

Barcelona is front-left limited, similar to Shanghai & you can't really over-take, so Mercedes should still fancy themselves. Monaco is all about qualifying, so again Mercedes will fancy themselves. Canada will destroy the rears & Baku will suit the Ferrari, so you can see that it will vary from race to race.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Mon 17 Apr 2017, 1:57 pm

All in all it has the makings of a very interesting season, where the circuits and climate could play almost as much of a role as the cars and drivers.
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Post by GSC on Mon 17 Apr 2017, 2:17 pm

The Ferrari tyre wear is giving them much more flexibility on strategy though. At Aus they could effect the overcut where Merc were forced to pit before they had a gap. Here they could put earlier and affect the undercut on a painfully slow Bottas. In China they probably made the right call and got unlucky with events after it. Here they probably made the right call and got unlucky again, without a safety car Vettels probably off into the distance before the 2nd round of stops.
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Post by Jermaine2015 on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 8:59 am

If Kimi's performances don't improve I wouldn't be surprised to see him pensioned off at the summer break.

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Post by GSC on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 9:05 am

Replaced with who? Id try for Sainz in the winter rather than sticking in a rookie with no prep.

Seems the Merc has a much better "qualifying" engine setting than Ferrari which probably accounts for the large gap on a power track like Bahrain.
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Post by Jermaine2015 on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 9:13 am

GSC wrote:Replaced with who? Id try for Sainz in the winter rather than sticking in a rookie with no prep.

Seems the Merc has a much better "qualifying" engine setting than Ferrari which probably accounts for the large gap on a power track like Bahrain.
Romain Grosjean, drives for the Ferrari junior team Haas, has genuine pace.

Sainz will replace Ricciardo in 2018.

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Post by Just John on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 9:34 am

It's pretty obvious that Sainz will replace Ricciardo in 2018. That will enable Ricciardo to replace Kimi in 2018.

Jermaine2015 wrote:Over the course of the season Kimi will beat Bottas of that there's no doubt

Still sure about that? I don't think you seem too convinced on Kimi anymore

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Post by GSC on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 9:40 am

Is Grosjean likely to be any better chucked in midseason and only for a 6 month stint. (And probably quite expensive)
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Post by Jermaine2015 on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 12:46 pm

GSC wrote:Is Grosjean likely to be any better chucked in midseason and only for a 6 month stint. (And probably quite expensive)
Haas basically gets a lot of parts from Ferrari really cheap or free. Therefore it Ferrari wanted Grosjean, I'm pretty sure a savvy business man like Gene Haas will know what's best for business

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 12:48 pm

Just John wrote:It's pretty obvious that Sainz will replace Ricciardo in 2018. That will enable Ricciardo to replace Kimi in 2018.

Jermaine2015 wrote:Over the course of the season Kimi will beat Bottas of that there's no doubt

Still sure about that? I don't think you seem too convinced on Kimi anymore
Kimi looks totally lost. Despite Bottas not being much more than average, Kimi is hopeless thus far.

No chance Ferrari rocks the boat and sign Ricciardo. There's no love loss between Sebastian and the Australian

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Post by GSC on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 1:12 pm

Jermaine2015 wrote:
GSC wrote:Is Grosjean likely to be any better chucked in midseason and only for a 6 month stint. (And probably quite expensive)
Haas basically gets a lot of parts from Ferrari really cheap or free. Therefore it Ferrari wanted Grosjean, I'm pretty sure a savvy business man like Gene Haas will know what's best for business

Yeah but it's still costing Ferrari to get a driver in for half a season who's unfamiliar with the car and therefore unlikely to be a short term upgrade. Plus I'm sure Haas would demand Ferrari cover the cost of his replacement.
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Post by Jermaine2015 on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 1:23 pm

GSC wrote:
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GSC wrote:Is Grosjean likely to be any better chucked in midseason and only for a 6 month stint. (And probably quite expensive)
Haas basically gets a lot of parts from Ferrari really cheap or free. Therefore it Ferrari wanted Grosjean, I'm pretty sure a savvy business man like Gene Haas will know what's best for business

Yeah but it's still costing Ferrari to get a driver in for half a season who's unfamiliar with the car and therefore unlikely to be a short term upgrade. Plus I'm sure Haas would demand Ferrari cover the cost of his replacement.
Giovinazzi is scheduled to do FP1 sessions for Haas later in the season. That's the replacement sorted Yahoo

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