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Post by Fernando Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:11 am

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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 2:50 pm

Weekend to forget for Merc. Ferrari seem to be quicker on the softer tyres and better on rears. They may be closer to RB in these conditions
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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 2:53 pm

Canada another track that will use the soft tyres and tough on rears so will be interesting to see if RB have legitimate pace.
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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 2:59 pm

Kimi looks grumpy even by Kimi standards
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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 3:01 pm

Kinda gutted Lewis didn't make the podium with Rosberg doing the interviews
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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 3:11 pm

Outside of that pretty good effort by Sainz in 6th. Both Haas cars in the points.
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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 3:56 pm

Webber hinting Perez is off to Ferrari
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Post by Guest Sun May 28, 2017 4:50 pm

No doubting his ability, but still quite an emotional character & a bit of a hot-head at times. Deserves another shot at a top team, but doubtful to be so easily controlled & able to play the team game, in the way Massa & Raikkonen have previously done so.


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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 5:04 pm

Trying to manufacture a bit of team orders controversy, neither DC or Webber were buying it. Kimi had first choice of pit stop, and it turned out the overcut was faster here.
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Post by Guest Sun May 28, 2017 5:41 pm

Alonso currently 7th

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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 5:45 pm

Meanwhile Jenson gets a 3 place grid penalty, which is marginally more effective than Wehrleins 5 second penalty.
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Post by Guest Sun May 28, 2017 5:48 pm

Alonso moves into 4th

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Post by Guest Sun May 28, 2017 6:06 pm

Alonso & Rossi 1st & 2nd after 1/4 distance.

Mega crash involving Scott Dixon. Car destroyed

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Post by dyrewolfe Sun May 28, 2017 6:13 pm

Great to see Alonso doing so well on his debut (and maybe only) Indy race. Bit of a tentative start but he looks pretty comfortable now.

Horrendous crash...glad to see both guys walk away.

Race red-flagged while the track is cleared up.

What do they do for re-starts? Line up on the grid, rolling start, or what?
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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 6:21 pm

rolling start i assume.

holy Poopie how'd he walk away from that
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Post by Guest Sun May 28, 2017 7:56 pm

Ryan Hunter Reay blows up, so Alonso leads with around 60 laps remaining

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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 8:10 pm

Not sure what it'd say about the rest of the field if Fernando can win this on 2 weeks prep
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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 8:12 pm

Didn't realise Max Chilton was in this. Maybe Stroll will be here next year
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Post by Guest Sun May 28, 2017 8:12 pm

Hamilton said the same thing after he saw Alonso qualify fifth. Max Chilton now leads Laugh

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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 8:25 pm

More yellows than Maldonado and Stroll running side by side down a straight
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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 8:31 pm

If Max Chilton wins ahead of Fernando Alonso we're all hitting the bar
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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 8:34 pm

Somewhere the head of Honda motosport has just pissed himself laughing
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Post by Guest Sun May 28, 2017 8:36 pm

Honda are so ****

Embarrassing. Gutting

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Post by dyrewolfe Sun May 28, 2017 8:48 pm

GSC wrote:Somewhere the head of Honda motosport has just pissed himself laughing

I would hope he's committed seppuku instead. mad

The irony...Alonso goes to IndyCar because their F1 engines are crap, only for his engine to give up with 20-odd laps to go. picard

Still at least he got the experience of driving a new type of car on a different circuit. Expect he also raised his stock and profile with US race fans. Certainly didn't let himself down.


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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 8:50 pm

Max Chilton leading with a honda engine.

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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 8:53 pm

The Honda F1 engine is crap. This one is more than competitive, I suspect blowouts aren't uncommon when doing 500m at 200+ mph in one sitting.
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Post by dyrewolfe Sun May 28, 2017 8:53 pm

GSC wrote:Max Chilton leading with a honda engine.

I might die

Wasn't he in BTCC a few years ago?

Guess anyone can jump in an IndyCar and win . Wink

Was also surprised to see a certain JP Montoya in the field. I know he was in NASCAR not that long ago...
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Post by dyrewolfe Sun May 28, 2017 8:57 pm

GSC wrote:The Honda F1 engine is crap. This one is more than competitive, I suspect blowouts aren't uncommon when doing 500m at 200+ mph in one sitting.

The IndyCar version seems a bit suspect too. Alonso had engine problems in practice as well. I suspect the American engines are engineered to withstand those sorts of stresses. The majority of retirements seem to be through crashes.

At least Honda's Indy engine doesn't lack power compared to the others.

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Post by Guest Sun May 28, 2017 8:58 pm

Takuma Sato Laugh

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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 9:00 pm

If you watched F1 during the 2000s and only focussed on the midfield/rear end of the grid, Indycar is for you
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Post by GSC Sun May 28, 2017 9:06 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:
GSC wrote:The Honda F1 engine is crap. This one is more than competitive, I suspect blowouts aren't uncommon when doing 500m at 200+ mph in one sitting.

The IndyCar version seems a bit suspect too. Alonso had engine problems in practice as well. I suspect the American engines are engineered to withstand those sorts of stresses. The majority of retirements seem to be through crashes.

At least Honda's Indy engine doesn't lack power compared to the others.


I mean a Honda engine won last year so its not like they're newcomers to this
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Post by Jermaine2015 Mon May 29, 2017 8:10 am

After the Scuderia screwed up Vettel's strategies in Sochi and Barcelona, I'm certain they must've decided Vettel will be the winner after they locked the front grid, compounded by Hamilton's woeful qualifying session. Granted Vettel got the job done on the laps after Kimi pitted, but poor Kimi must be devastated. He had Sebastian beaten his weekend, and this kind of treatment isn't befitting a former world champion(the Scuderia's last champion). Whilst the Scuderia are desperate to end their title drought, there's such things as common decency. Kimi has no deal for 2018 and could demoralize to the point where Sebastian and the Scuderia title hopes suffer. Not happy at how it panned out.

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Post by GSC Mon May 29, 2017 9:49 am

Sorry, don't buy the team orders theory.

Red Bull and Mercedes both believed the undercut was the faster strategy, hence why Max pitted and Valteri covered him.

Also Vettel immediately pulled out laps 1-1.5 seconds faster than what Kimi was doing on ultras. If Ferrari wanted to swap them, they could've done it under the pretence of Bottas and the RBs catching them heading into the pit stop phase, rather than compromising their 1-2 by having Kimi be slow and holding up Seb.

Even after the pit stops, Kimi was slow. Seb pulled away at a second a lap and Ricciardo latched onto the back of him.

It's a manufactured controversy by the media to have a talking point after a dull GP. Webber and DC both shot it down (and Webber would know). The overcut turned out to be faster because of low tyre deg and tyres taking a few laps to get up to temp and deliver peak performance. None of the top teams predicted that
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Post by Jermaine2015 Mon May 29, 2017 10:01 am

Was Kimi really that slow prior to his pitstop? IMO it's categorically no. Only time Vettel got close was when Kimi got caught up behind Button and Wehrlein,soon as Kimi cleared them his lead was stable at around 2.5secs. Kimi's stop was slower and he came out in traffic. Lets not forget Vettel came out only 0.8 ahead. Had Kimi retained the lead, Sebastian wasn't going to get passed. That's a dead cert. Kimi got jobbed.

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Post by GSC Mon May 29, 2017 10:40 am

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Kimi was just slow. Bottas closed a 4 second gap down to 1 second earlier in the stint. Vettel closed down a near 3 second gap Kimi opened at the start of the race.

As shown, Red Bull and Mercedes also believed the undercut would be more effective. Kimi was also complaining about his tyres earlier in the stint.

Also as DC/Webber said, traffic is just part of Monaco. Bottas & Verstappen got caught behind Sainz, did RB engineer that to get Ricciardo ahead of Verstappen?

Its a manufactured talking point so theres something to sell about a boring GP.
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Post by Guest Mon May 29, 2017 11:02 am

I don't think Kimi was shafted to the extent some believe, neither do many of the pundits.

As for the championship, consistency is key, and given that the Ferrari works everywhere, pretty much means it's going to be an uphill struggle for Mercedes. You'd expect Mercedes will endure more weekends like Monaco, whereas Ferrari know they can just turn up & just perform straight out the box.

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Post by GSC Mon May 29, 2017 11:22 am

The trend seems to be Pirelli using the softest tyres (which given Spain, we're unlikely to ever see the Hards again this season), Mercedes struggling to get the Super softs and especially the Ultras into the right range and keep them there.

They also struggle with rear tyre wear and therefore traction, but thats minor given how hard these tyres are.
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Post by GSC Mon May 29, 2017 11:25 am

Regardless though, they need to sort it sharpish because the conditions they're struggling most in are prevalent for the next few races
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Post by GSC Tue May 30, 2017 11:36 pm

Kanaan responds to Lewis "he's a guy who raced 2 cars last year and finished 2nd"
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Post by GSC Tue May 30, 2017 11:38 pm

All the teams bringing loads of ultra to Canada. Most only 1 soft set so imagine its not going to be used on Sunday
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Post by Guest Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:38 pm

I see Toto's reeling out the excuses now

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Post by GSC Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:12 pm

If only he was willing to do some actual management and put Alonso in the car
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Post by GSC Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:24 pm

Wonder what odds you can get on Stroll meeting the wall of champions
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Post by Guest Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:35 pm

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Post by GSC Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:42 pm

Might be against Fernando...
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Post by Jermaine2015 Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:22 am

Robert Kubica drove an F1 car for the first time since he near fatal rallying accident in 2011 yesterday. Kubica drove the 2012 Lotus and completed 115 laps. Whilst it's still baby steps looks like the former hottest property in F1 could make a staggering returning to replace the terrible Jolyon Palmer.

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Post by Guest Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:11 am

Delighted to see that he believes his hand is no longer an issue, but it's doubtful he will return to F1 anytime soon.

I'm not surprised he was faster over the longer runs than Sirotkin, it does suggest the fitness & speed is possibly still there. I'd say Ocon or Perez are the no.1 picks to replace Palmer in 2018.

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Post by GSC Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:24 am

Be pretty surprised if this was more than a one off. At 32 doubt a full return is on the table
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Post by dyrewolfe Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:48 am

Jermaine2015 wrote:Robert Kubica drove an F1 car for the first time since he near fatal rallying accident in 2011 yesterday. Kubica drove the 2012 Lotus and completed 115 laps. Whilst it's still baby steps looks like the former hottest property in F1 could make a staggering returning to replace the terrible Jolyon Palmer.

Unlikely, but its a nice thought. Kubica would probably still beat Palmer hands down...even with his dodgy arm.

Unfortunately the 2012 cars are a far cry from today's machines and I think the increased physical demands would prove too much for him over a race distance (at this point in time anyway).

Still, its good to see him getting some time in a race car again. I think F1 would be a step too far, but I could see him making a comeback in another class or formula.

BBC article here for those interested...
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Post by Jermaine2015 Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:14 pm

Kubica said that tight corners aren't possible with his right arm but I could see it feasible for Kubica to race at certain tracks. Monza, Texas, and a few others. alguersuari Has also been mentioned as an option.

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Post by GSC Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:23 pm

Monza turn 1/2 is about as tight as it gets outside of Monaco.

Regardless he's not going to get a part time seat.

They want Fernando for next year, if not, it'll probably a junior to Hulkenburg
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