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Post by Fernando on Thu 23 Mar 2017, 11:11 am

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 7:17 pm

Decent race. As dyrewolfe says the battle between Vettel and Verstappen for the first 15 laps was some excellent racing, and the last few laps certainly had plenty of drama. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but:
1) Vettel had to stop early to make the undercut on Verstappen work after being unable to pass him on track. Meant his tyres were older at the end.
2) His scrap with Bottas damaged them further. One wonders if it was necessary given it was likely Bottas would eventually get past on fresher, faster tyres.
3) When Raikonnen's tyre got a puncture, could Ferrari have brought Vettel in as a precaution? With Verstappen also stopping (in the end a very wise move), it wouldn't actually have cost him any positions, and (see previous points) they had reason to believe his tyres were struggling a bit.

As I said, hindsight is easy, but just pointing out that Vettel's puncture wasn't a case of pure bad luck...

Obviously Hamilton drove very well indeed, all set up by a wonderful lap in Q3. Bottas had an excellent drive, and while he benefitted from a slice of luck with Raikonnen's puncture, he was on course for a well deserved podium. Verstappen did about as best he could with a car that wasn't quite quick enough to match Ferrari and Mercedes, and as stated gave us a great scrap against Vettel in the first part of the race. Decent recovery by Ricciardo also. Lastly, a fine result for Hulkenberg.

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Post by Born Slippy on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 7:54 am

I don't think they would have known in time that Verstappen had stopped would they? If so, they would surely definitely have brought Vettel in. As it was, I'm guessing that they felt the odds were it would last the remaining two laps and didn't want to lose points to Verstappen.

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Post by GSC on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 9:05 am

Vettel had a large lockup prior to Bottas catching him as well, tyres had died. Don't think they could realistically bring him in with 2 laps to go, he and Kimi were fairly close on track iirc and priority obviously goes to the guy with a hole in his tyre. Bad luck but such is the way title battles ebb and flow.

Hope Ferrari can find some upgrades sharpish, otherwise it looks ominously like the 2nd half of the season will resemble the last 3 years
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Post by Just John on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 10:09 am

Pretty much expected Mercedes to out-develop Ferrari over the course of the season. Looks like the wheels are starting to come off the Ferrari challenge, and having not won since Monaco, it does appear all the momentum is with Mercedes now.


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Post by dyrewolfe on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 10:19 am

In fairness Ferrari have only managed to get the better of Mercedes through better pit stop strategy, or when Mercedes have had issues. Development hasn't really come into it.

I'd still expect this to be a close season. Ferraris seem rock solid in terms of reliability and have the strategic savvy to beat Mercedes on tracks where they can't dominate through pure horsepower.

On paper this should be Mercedes' season, but the races so far have shown anything can happen.
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Post by GSC on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 10:38 am

They were genuinely faster up until about Monaco because Merc couldn't get on top of tyre temps and Ferrari had a much more versatile car. When the Merc worked it was solidly ahead of Ferrari and now they have it working consistently.

We can only hope Ferrari nail the summer break or hopes for a competitive title battle rest on Bottas finding a level he's yet to touch.
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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:11 pm

Don't think Mercedes have 'out developed' Ferrari at all TBH. If you see where Ferrari have been successful this season(in terms of wins) Melbourne, Bahrain and Monaco. These victories came in hot weather conditions where Ferrari are easily more adaptable than Mercedes.

Mercedes recent run of 'domination' has been in Baku, Canada, Austria, Great Britain and the temperaments have been considerably cooler.

Mercedes will probably be 'dominant' in the remaining European races. But Ferrari's flexibility will see them move ahead when the fly away races return.

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