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Post by Fernando on Thu 23 Mar 2017, 11:11 am

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Post by Just John on Wed 02 Aug 2017, 6:43 pm

Great to see him back, but it's absolutely pointless comparing this different situation and these test times, to that of last weekend's actual running. To put it into perspective, Lando Norris (17), produced a lap time quicker than Alonso's best qualifying time, or something along those lines. Track conditions after a full race weekend, will favour the drivers this week.

I'm all for the fairytale of Kubica returning to F1, but to return in Belgium, seems rushed & and unnecessary approach. Give him four of five FP1's going forward, and if he continues to impress, sign him for 2018. Throwing him into the deep end at Belgium could easily backfire.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 1:46 pm

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dyrewolfe wrote: ... Best part of the race for me was Alonso's 6th place and bagging fastest lap...how the hell did he do that? Shocked Guess it proves there's not much wrong with McLaren's chassis and aero package. If only they had an engine to match...
Vettel must have been real slow - slowing down both Raikkonen & Hamilton.  But then Alonso still had a faster lap than Bottas & Verstappen.  As soon as McLaren get a good engine they should be be back competing very strongly.  

Was it incompetence on McLaren's part in getting to this situation?  Mercedes used to be their engine supplier but not sure what happened when Mercedes decided to run their own car - they at some point stopped supplying McLaren with their top specification engines.

Mercedes saw an opportunity to go it alone when Ross Brawn accepted an offer to buy out his team. They were getting his expertise plus a car that had just won the championship with their engines. The idea was to create a wholly German team, with Schumacher and Rosberg driving for them. Instead of just being McLaren's main partner / sponsor, it would be all about Mercedes and resurrecting the Silver Arrows.

Of course that all changed after Schumi's accident.

Don't think it was incompetence on McLaren's part. I highly doubt Merc would supply potential rivals with an equal spec engine...and you can't blame McLaren (the previous works team) for not wanting to accept a 2nd best unit. They'd previously had great success with Honda and it seemed a logical move at the time.

Remember Red Bull had similar problems when they wanted to split from Renault. Neither Mercedes or Ferrari were prepared to give them works spec engines.

This is why I can't understand McLaren not building their own engines in-house. They have the resources and engineering expertise (some of their performance road cars have hybrid systems). It would just be a case of learning to build them to different specifications.


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Great to see him back, but it's absolutely pointless comparing this different situation and these test times, to that of last weekend's actual running. To put it into perspective, Lando Norris (17), produced a lap time quicker than Alonso's best qualifying time, or something along those lines. Track conditions after a full race weekend, will favour the drivers this week.

I'm all for the fairytale of Kubica returning to F1, but to return in Belgium, seems rushed & and unnecessary approach. Give him four of five FP1's going forward, and if he continues to impress, sign him for 2018. Throwing him into the deep end at Belgium could easily backfire.

Agree. I think this season is too soon for Kubica. Make sure his body can endure a few practice sessions without breaking down and give some serious consideration over the winter about giving him a race seat next season.
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Re: F1 Hung Gary GP Thread - Contains Qualifying & Race Spoilers as usual

Post by GSC on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 2:09 pm

McLaren don't have that much cash.

Honda are paying for Alonso and paying for McLaren to use their engines. Paying for customer engines would be a sizable dent, trying to spec and build their own would be a mammoth cost.
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Post by dyrewolfe on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 11:11 pm

GSC wrote:McLaren don't have that much cash.

Honda are paying for Alonso and paying for McLaren to use their engines. Paying for customer engines would be a sizable dent, trying to spec and build their own would be a mammoth cost.

Dude, their majority shareholder is Mumtalakat - the Bahraini investment bank (Google Mansour Ojjeh). Essentially they have bottomless pockets.

For what it would cost to develop their own engines in-house, I doubt they would lose much sleep over it. As I said, McLaren already build hybrid powertrains for their road cars. It wouldn't be such a mammoth leap to build F1 spec units.

Expensive yes, but not unfeasibly so (as it would be for a team without an automotive business).

And if it meant getting McLaren back to the front of the grid, the amount of sponsorship they could pull in would help ease the financial hit.

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Post by GSC on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 7:29 am

Investors having money and being willing to use it are 2 entirely different things.

And the reality is, who says McLaren would do better than Honda. They're starting even further behind.
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