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Post by PredictorofTeams on Mon 3 Apr - 14:37

After watching young Joseph blitz the "almighty Wasps" last Saturday, it indeed spurred some hype on Carbery bolting off with the Lions. Sure he may be naive as to when to run (he always thinks it's on) but this is down to having genuine confidence in his ability and usually bolters have flaws in their game. Getting man of the match in a game where the majority of the players on the pitch are playing for the top 4 nations in the world is no mean feat!
He is extremely versatile - can play 9,10,13, and 15 and has a 100% record against the All Blacks - would be the only person in the squad with such an accolade!
Also has intriguing hair, could confuse NZ.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Mon 3 Apr - 14:43

PredictorofTeams wrote:After watching young Joseph blitz the "almighty Wasps" last Saturday, it indeed spurred some hype on Carbery bolting off with the Lions. Sure he may be naive as to when to run (he always thinks it's on) but this is down to having genuine confidence in his ability and usually bolters have flaws in their game. Getting man of the match in a game where the majority of the players on the pitch are playing for the top 4 nations in the world is no mean feat!
He is extremely versatile - can play 9,10,13, and 15 and has a 100% record against the All Blacks - would be the only person in the squad with such an accolade!
Also has intriguing hair, could confuse NZ.

It's probably a year too soon for him (rather like Jordie Barrett for NZ - JB is shaping up to be at least as good as his brother). He's a great attacker, still needs a little work on his D

In any case, with Hogg, Halfpenny & Williams likely to travel there's probably not room for another 15, while at 10 there'll likely be Sexton, Farrell (covering 10/12) & Russell - and Ford & Biggar in line after them
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Post by formerly known as Sam on Mon 3 Apr - 14:45

Is from NZ as well. Trip home.

Not sure on the 'almighty Wasps' bit as there own fans were only cautiously optimistic at best.

Could go as a mid week player as having versatile players in the wider squad is pretty key. Downside for him is that he's not an absolute unit which is what Gatland normally values over everything else.

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 3 Apr - 14:47

F**k the Lions. He has a USA/Japan tour to get to with Joe. Joe gonna teach him to be less confident and how to run into contact better - Gatland would teach him only humiliation by picking him to bench for a few 80 minute sessions in some mid-week teams.

Nope, Carbery is best suited to going along with Joe and preparing to be a central part of Ireland's future makeup. We have all - the time - in the woyld.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Mon 3 Apr - 14:56

RuggerRadge2611 would be my pick as a Lions Bolter.

Although tighthead is a well contested position with Furlong, Cole and Fagerson all in the running, Radge has proven time and again (once) that he can play on the other side of the scrum to good (limited) effect.

The fact that his country has failed to select him to play for Scotland IMO shouldn't hold back his lions chances.
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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 3 Apr - 15:00

Just interested to know but how Kiwi is Carbery? A quick google search states that he came through the Leinster system. I must say, Leinster certainly produce a few good players.

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 3 Apr - 15:04

mikey_dragon wrote:Just interested to know but how Kiwi is Carbery? A quick google search states that he came through the Leinster system. I must say, Leinster certainly produce a few good players.

Kiwi father (roots in Athy), Irish mother (from Athy) - moved back to Ireland and Athy when 11.

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Post by Cyril on Mon 3 Apr - 15:10

SecretFly wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Just interested to know but how Kiwi is Carbery? A quick google search states that he came through the Leinster system. I must say, Leinster certainly produce a few good players.

Kiwi father (roots in Athy), Irish mother (from Athy) - moved back to Ireland and Athy when 11.
About the same Kiwi-ness as Hartley then Smile

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 3 Apr - 15:11

Hartley isn't a Kiwi - he's a Rottweiler.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 3 Apr - 15:17

SecretFly wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Just interested to know but how Kiwi is Carbery? A quick google search states that he came through the Leinster system. I must say, Leinster certainly produce a few good players.

Kiwi father (roots in Athy), Irish mother (from Athy) - moved back to Ireland and Athy when 11.

Fair. It's silly but I bet his birth place gets often brought up when he becomes an Ireland regular - like Heaslip before him.

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Post by Cyril on Mon 3 Apr - 15:18

SecretFly wrote:Hartley isn't a Kiwi - he's a Rottweiler.
He's a Kiwi/Rottweiller cross. Very cross.

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 3 Apr - 15:26

mikey_dragon wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Just interested to know but how Kiwi is Carbery? A quick google search states that he came through the Leinster system. I must say, Leinster certainly produce a few good players.

Kiwi father (roots in Athy), Irish mother (from Athy) - moved back to Ireland and Athy when 11.

Fair. It's silly but I bet his birth place gets often brought up when he becomes an Ireland regular - like Heaslip before him.

Heaslip and O'Gara - two refugee asswholes that we never could get rid of.

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 3 Apr - 15:28

Cyril wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Hartley isn't a Kiwi - he's a Rottweiler.
He's a Kiwi/Rottweiller cross. Very cross.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Mon 3 Apr - 15:51

Cyril wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Hartley isn't a Kiwi - he's a Rottweiler.
He's a Kiwi/Rottweiller cross. Very cross.

He seems to be neutered these days.

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 3 Apr - 15:55

formerly known as Sam wrote:
Cyril wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Hartley isn't a Kiwi - he's a Rottweiler.
He's a Kiwi/Rottweiller cross. Very cross.

He seems to be neutered these days.

.... by a JackRussell/Aussie cross....

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 6 Apr - 16:37

formerly known as Sam wrote:Is from NZ as well. Trip home.

Not sure on the 'almighty Wasps' bit as there own fans were only cautiously optimistic at best.

Could go as a mid week player as having versatile players in the wider squad is pretty key. Downside for him is that he's not an absolute unit which is what Gatland normally values over everything else.

If he isnt selected initially all he has to do is go on "holidays" in NZ and he will probably be called up.

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Re: Joey Carbery - Lions Bolter?

Post by geoff999rugby on Tue 11 Apr - 11:04

Lets get realistic he will be on the bench for Ireland behind Jackson and that is where he should be.

A highly talent youngster who will be a top player in a couple of years but lets not get ahead of ourselves

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Post by geoff999rugby on Tue 11 Apr - 11:07

Cyril wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Just interested to know but how Kiwi is Carbery? A quick google search states that he came through the Leinster system. I must say, Leinster certainly produce a few good players.

Kiwi father (roots in Athy), Irish mother (from Athy) - moved back to Ireland and Athy when 11.
About the same Kiwi-ness as Hartley then Smile

As you know Hartley has no English parents whereas Carbery has an Irish parent - so not the same Wink

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 11 Apr - 11:08

Hartley has an English parent.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Tue 11 Apr - 11:12

You learn something every day thumbsup

So all this bleating about his eligibility, something I have not engaged in, is total hogwash then.

Mind you Joey Carbery has an Irish mother and an Irish paternal grandfather so a bit more Irish than Hartley is English.
Geoff desperately clutching at straws Run

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 11 Apr - 11:33

Think his mother's side are all English. Was one of the reasons he moved to England to chase honours.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Tue 11 Apr - 12:11

Carbery moved to Ireland when he was 11. Hartley moved to England when he was 16. Carbery clearly wins.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 11 Apr - 12:27

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Carbery moved to Ireland when he was 11. Hartley moved to England when he was 16. Carbery clearly wins.

But Dylan has attacked more Irishmen than Carberry has Englishmen so Hartley has clearly proven he's a true Englishman Whistle


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Post by Cyril on Tue 11 Apr - 12:28

Good to see geoff admitting he was wrong Wink

Hype for this Carbery fellow is starting to gather momentum.

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Post by Scottrf on Tue 11 Apr - 12:29

marty2086 wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:Carbery moved to Ireland when he was 11. Hartley moved to England when he was 16. Carbery clearly wins.

Burt Dylan has attacked more Irishmen than Carberry has Englishmen so Hartley has clearly proven he's a true Englishman Whistle
But he drinks Guinness Whistle
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Post by Cyril on Tue 11 Apr - 12:31

Burt Dylan!

I do recall him getting Tangled up in Blue during the Italy game though.


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Post by brennomac on Tue 11 Apr - 12:38

geoff999rugby wrote:Lets get realistic he will be on the bench for Ireland behind Jackson and that is where he should be.

A highly talent youngster who will be a top player in a couple of years but lets not get ahead of ourselves

+1 on that, don't see any point in him going on the Lions (mind you I'm one of those who'd prefer no Irish went on the Lions), far better to go on the summer tour. He's a lad with huge potential but by no means the finished article so let him later his trade on the summer tour, maybe starting one of the internationals and on the bench behind PJ for the others.

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Post by George Carlin on Wed 12 Apr - 6:33

Carbery is a very exciting player who found himself in the right place at the right time.

This Lions tour is too early for him given the competition and I can see his career trajectory and that of Finn Russell potentially following the same path - i.e with some solid game time over years, both will be tremendous players. I rate him as better than the likes of young Sam Davies although in terms of Lions potential (Sexton will be 78 years old or something by the time of the next tour) he will inevitably find it tough to nail down the starting 10 shirt in light of the overwhelming fashionableness of Farrell and Ford who cannot be much older than he is.
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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 12 Apr - 7:42

You chaps realise this guy is a troll right?

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Post by Cyril on Wed 12 Apr - 8:49

Gooseberry wrote:You chaps realise this guy is a troll right?
Trolling? On here? On a Lions(ish) thread?

This shall not stand!

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Post by Sin é on Wed 12 Apr - 10:15

geoff999rugby wrote:Lets get realistic he will be on the bench for Ireland behind Jackson and that is where he should be.

A highly talent youngster who will be a top player in a couple of years but lets not get ahead of ourselves

Will Jackson be able to travel? Is the Olding/Jackson court case resolved? If not, neither of those two will be travelling to US anyway. Don't know what the visa situation would be for Japan.
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Post by Cyril on Wed 12 Apr - 13:37

What's the court case?

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Post by geoff999rugby on Wed 12 Apr - 14:27

There is no current court case so the point doesn't apply.

There have been papers with the CPS for over 6 months and they have not,as yet, decided to proceed

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Post by geoff999rugby on Wed 12 Apr - 14:30

On the Hartley being English thing I am just Amazed that when being critised I've not seen an English poster use the fact his mother is English as a defence.
Remind me never to use an English barrister

I have no problem with Hartley playing for England

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Post by Cyril on Wed 12 Apr - 14:35

geoff999rugby wrote:On the Hartley being English thing I am just Amazed that when being critised I've not seen an English poster use the fact his mother is English as a defence.
Remind me never to use an English barrister

I have no problem with Hartley playing for England
It's been mentioned many times.

Remind me never to use an Irish proofreader.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Wed 12 Apr - 15:32

You can't proof read something you don't see.

Many an argument around Hartley on eligibility when no one raised the fact .
Usually been around Whether he was 14 or16 and was that acceptable.

Then again I have long spells when I go nowhere near this forum.

I've have a life - maybe you don't Cyril

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Post by Scottrf on Wed 12 Apr - 15:34

geoff999rugby wrote:You can't proof read something you don't see.

http://www.606v2.com/t65480-joey-carbery-lions-bolter#3547764
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Post by Cyril on Wed 12 Apr - 16:01


geoff999rugby wrote:You can't proof read something you don't see.
Just because you didn't see it, it doesn't mean it isn't there.

http://www.606v2.com/t7642-how-does-dylan-hartley-qualify-for-england

You posted in that article (post 8) and 2 posts down there's a link to a Telegraph article re. his English mother.

You're welcome Smile

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