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Post by TightHEAD on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:14 am

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Please use this thread to vent your anger at the Lions tour selections and lack of ambition shown from the coaching staff.

For me this could have been a tour we could win in NZ, but with an out of form, out of date coach at the helm we have no chance.

Thoughts?

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Forwards: Rory Best (Ireland), Dan Cole (England), Taulupe Faletau (Wales), Tadhg Furlong (Ireland), Jamie George (England), Iain Henderson (Ireland), Maro Itoje (England), Alun Wyn Jones (Wales), George Kruis (England), Courtney Lawes (England), Joe Marler (England), Jack McGrath (Ireland), Ross Moriarty (Wales), Sean O'Brien (Ireland), Peter O'Mahony (Ireland), Ken Owens (Wales), Kyle Sinckler (England), CJ Stander (Ireland), Justin Tipuric (Wales), Billy Vunipola (England), Mako Vunipola (England), Sam Warburton (Wales)

Backs: Dan Biggar (Wales), Elliot Daly (England), Jonathan Davies (Wales), Owen Farrell (England), Leigh Halfpenny (Wales), Robbie Henshaw (Ireland), Stuart Hogg (Scotland), Jonathan Joseph (England), Conor Murray (Ireland), George North (Wales), Jack Nowell (England), Jared Payne (Ireland), Jonathan Sexton (Ireland), Tommy Seymour (Scotland), Ben Te'o (England), Anthony Watson (England), Rhys Webb (Wales), Liam Williams (Wales), Ben Youngs (England)


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Post by No9 on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 2:42 pm

Poorfour wrote:Players per match point earned in the 6N:
England – 16 players, 19 points – 0.84
Ireland – 11 players, 14 points – 0.79
Scotland – 2 players, 14 points -  0.14
Wales – 12 players, 10 points – 1.20.

Fantastic... the most pointless stat I have EVER seen. clap Erm

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Post by No9 on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 2:43 pm

TightHEAD wrote:I hope they get stuffed.

Strange that you get an opinion yet I have to shut the F up and watch football. Go and do one.

A true rugby fan.. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Poorfour on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 2:44 pm

No9 wrote:
Poorfour wrote:Players per match point earned in the 6N:
England – 16 players, 19 points – 0.84
Ireland – 11 players, 14 points – 0.79
Scotland – 2 players, 14 points -  0.14
Wales – 12 players, 10 points – 1.20.

Fantastic... the most pointless stat I have EVER seen. clap Erm

You're not very au fait with statistics, then. That's OK, I'll explain: the selection isn't well correlated with recent performances.

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Post by Scottrf on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 2:47 pm

Poorfour wrote:
No9 wrote:
Poorfour wrote:Players per match point earned in the 6N:
England – 16 players, 19 points – 0.84
Ireland – 11 players, 14 points – 0.79
Scotland – 2 players, 14 points -  0.14
Wales – 12 players, 10 points – 1.20.

Fantastic... the most pointless stat I have EVER seen. clap Erm

You're not very au fait with statistics, then. That's OK, I'll explain: the selection isn't well correlated with recent performances.
But the stat makes no sense, you've divided the wrong way. Surely points per player is more logical. Even then it depends on position.


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Post by No9 on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 2:49 pm

Poorfour wrote:
No9 wrote:
Poorfour wrote:Players per match point earned in the 6N:
England – 16 players, 19 points – 0.84
Ireland – 11 players, 14 points – 0.79
Scotland – 2 players, 14 points -  0.14
Wales – 12 players, 10 points – 1.20.

Fantastic... the most pointless stat I have EVER seen. clap Erm

You're not very au fait with statistics, then. That's OK, I'll explain: the selection isn't well correlated with recent performances.

Correlated to final result of game and not necessarily correlated to the player performance during the game. Its a made up stat that really says nothing.

I do believe (as I have said) that Scotland should have had more selected than 2 players though... That is wrong.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 2:55 pm

No9 wrote:
2. Don't select the Welsh boys on the tour, and he loses the Welsh players backing when he comes back to the Wales job (like Graham Henry did). Result, Wales looking for a new coach.
This one comes up quite a bit over the years and people seem to just yawn their way past it as if it's unimportant; and yet it is, more than any other continuous point, prime evidence that fans know and admit Gatland chooses Welsh players on grounds above and beyond their natural superiority to alternatives from other Nations.  
It also admits to the fact that despite the propaganda about the Lions being all one ship of non-National brotherhood of commonality and hugs and kisses, the Lions is and always will be very much a political tool where the Nationality of each player is bluntly and directly Quite a factor in whether or not many of them are on a plane or off it.

But it's still a good party for drama, epic journalistic headlines,  in-fighting, dissention, back-stabbing and juicy skulduggery.  Wink  It's just the affected smarm of borderless lovedom that is often buttered on too deeply that sometimes spoils the fun.  The product could do with less 'Eddie Butler' and more 'Eddie Jones'.

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Post by Gwlad on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 2:58 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I do find your new title quite funny tho laughing

Scotland is part of Britain picard

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Post by geoff999rugby on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 2:58 pm

Lot of Welsh backs who have done nothing to justify selection

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Post by offload on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 3:02 pm

Unlucky: Launchbury, Grey, Russell, Dunbar, Heaslip.

Lucky: Te'o, Biggar, Payne, Davies, Lawes.

He got it about right.

My first test team: Hogg, Nowell, Joseph, Farrell, North, Sexton, Webb, Vunipola, George, Furlong, AWJ, Itoji, Stander, Warburton, Vunipola.

Bench: McGrath, Best, Cole, Kruis, O'Brien, Tipuric, Murray, Daley.
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Post by Gwlad on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 3:03 pm

is there anything worse than a whining defeatist like the OP


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Post by majesticimperialman on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 3:08 pm

I do like most of the team/squad selected but i do  think he as selected some players out of loyalty rather than bcause they are the best in their position.

He as selected AWJ ( who is injured ) over Joe Launchbery.

Rory Best the Ireland captain. Over Dylan Hartley the English captain who led England to back to back 6ns champion ships.

Sam Warburton as captain ( who is injured ) and might not make the first test.

Dan Biggar who was ( pants) in my opinion in the 6ns over George Ford. ( who works great with Owen Farrell.

Leigh Half Penny. ( who i believe is only in for his long range kicks at goal) which as not been that great lately. Over Mike Brown. Who may not be a goal kicker but he does get over the game line every he as the ball.

I am how ever pleased for Ross Moriarty. thought he had a great 6ns and is deserving of his place.

Rhys Webb. Again not surprised he is selected and desrvering of his pace as well.

The rest the squad looks ok.

Like No9 said above if, if he wins the series, then the Abs job is his.

I do believe he had to pick those players that i have out lined above. to keep face with the Welsh squad in case the Lions loose.

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Post by Gwlad on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 3:13 pm

use 'has' not 'as' ffs man, select the 'h'. Is basic grammar beyond you?

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Post by TightHEAD on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 3:14 pm

No9 wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:I hope they get stuffed.

Strange that you get an opinion yet I have to shut the F up and watch football. Go and do one.

A true rugby fan.. Rolling Eyes

But the Lions B+I Lions has little to do with rugby these days, its all about the money it generates for the Host Nation, sponsors and Kit Supplier.

Its a nice idea from a bygone age but Rugby has moved on IMHO.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 3:18 pm

Surely with professionalism making money became more important not less?

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 3:22 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Surely with professionalism making money became more important not less?

Correct. So as few Scots as possible coz they wouldn't exactly bring sufficient bums on seats to the product.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 3:39 pm

Gwlad wrote:use 'has' not 'as' ffs man, select the 'h'. Is basic grammar beyond you?



YES.

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Post by TightHEAD on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 3:43 pm

Gwlad wrote:is there anything worse than a whining defeatist like the OP


Yes, selecting an injured player to be Captain of a tour in NZ.
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Post by Gwlad on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 4:10 pm

It is true certain players are very fortunate to have been picked:

Te'o - shocked
George - over his Captain, ouch
Kruis - over Launchbury has to hurt
Te'o - for good measure still shocked

And glad all the nonsense about Ford, Robshaw and Haskell, even some buffoons calling for Brown - has been put to bed once and for all.

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Post by The Great Aukster on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 4:24 pm

SecretFly wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Surely with professionalism making money became more important not less?

Correct.  So as few Scots as possible coz they wouldn't exactly bring sufficient bums on seats to the product.
That's not the reason SF, the Scots are too canny to knock their pan in for a red shirt and a dram a day while the colonials rifle the Crown's coffers.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 4:27 pm

Gwlad wrote:It is true certain players are very fortunate to have been picked:

Te'o - shocked
George - over his Captain, ouch
Kruis - over Launchbury has to hurt
Te'o - for good measure still shocked

And glad all the nonsense about Ford, Robshaw and Haskell, even some buffoons calling for Brown - has been put to bed once and for all.

Brown should of been in instead of Halfpenny. simple as that.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 4:32 pm

Gwlad wrote:

And glad all the nonsense about Ford, Robshaw and Haskell, even some buffoons calling for Brown - has been put to bed once and for all.

Oh don't be so rash, Gwlad. Plenty of time. Players come, go, get injured, get filmed with the 'Lion's Tour is over for me' frowns....etc, etc, etc...........................

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Post by little_badger on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 4:33 pm

No9 wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
little_badger wrote:Squad aside, I've said it before and I'll say it again, the head coach of the Lions should not be a national coach. Even if there is no actual bias the perception is that there will be. It's why Geech worked so well.

It makes sense.

Rubbish... for that to work it would have to be a non British or Irish coach, as any conceived bias would still be argued. So what do you do then. Get a French, S African, Australian, Kiwi, Argentinian or maybe Italian coach. Lets be sensible. It has to be a coach from the Britain or Ireland, maybe not a current national coach, but still has to be someone with present experience of the current players.

Cant say, I'm happy with Gats taken the job, for two reasons.

1. Beat the All Blacks and Hansen will be on his way, leaving Gats prime candidate for the job he really wants. Result, Wales looking for new coach.
2. Don't select the Welsh boys on the tour, and he loses the Welsh players backing when he comes back to the Wales job (like Graham Henry did). Result, Wales looking for a new coach.
3. Select the Welsh boys and loose the series, everyone else on his back.. Result, who knows may decide to pack it in...

Either way, its a poison chalice I would rather he didn't have. But he does have it, so he, the captain and the team will get my full support (Even the English contingent).

My point is that is should not be a current national coach as the head selector. Yes someone will always be affiliated to a country, that doesn't bother me. It's when they are a current national coach because, as you said, '2. Don't select the Welsh boys on the tour, and he loses the Welsh players backing when he comes back to the Wales job' that kind of thinking is inevitable.

I support the lions, I screamed myself raw in 2013, I don't like the inference that I don't. Of course Gatland wanted the job, it's a honour, but this debate will never be over when he picks the test team it will come up again and I don't like it distracting from the game.

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Post by TightHEAD on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 4:43 pm

Taking 12 Welshmen to NZ to beat a team only their Great Granddad's can remember beating is tacking the biscuit.
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Post by SecretFly on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 4:45 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Taking 12 Welshmen to NZ to beat a team only their Great Granddad's can remember beating is tacking the biscuit.

Wow! A double outing for a well worked put-down Wink

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Post by TightHEAD on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 4:46 pm

Very Happy I know, it's Lazy of me.
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Post by TightHEAD on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 4:53 pm

Taking 12 Welshmen to NZ to beat a team only their Great Great Granddad's can remember beating is tacking the biscuit.

Sorry, forgot they start early in the Valleys.
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Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 5:13 pm

I'm looking on the bright side. Townsend knows all he needs to know about Hogg and Seymour, so he can blood some of our other youngsters on our summer tour.

A tour that should see Townsend able to play some good rugby with pretty much all of his players, return them to Dave Rennie and Cockers at Glasgow and Edinburgh respectively, pretty fresh and ready to take on all comers next season.

As a side show I can watch what happens to the Lions with neutral interest since there is no way Gatland will play either Seymour or Hogg in a test match.
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Post by offload on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 5:15 pm

It's taking the biscuit........taking

Your infantile drivel might at least be mediocre if you had a basic command of your own language. For someone who isn't into the Lions, you don't half like the sound of your own opinions.
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Post by SecretFly on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 5:17 pm

Opinions don't have sounds! Will you lot brush up on your grammaticalisticisms!!!!

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Post by offload on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 5:25 pm

SecretFly wrote:Opinions don't have sounds!  Will you lot brush up on your grammaticalisticisms!!!!

Incorrect use of the exclamation mark and dropped question mark. Really..... . You're as bad a TightARSE. Wink
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Post by Newsilure on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 5:32 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Taking 12 Welshmen to NZ to beat a team only their Great Great Granddad's can remember beating is tacking the biscuit.

Sorry, forgot they start early in the Valleys.

Maybe he is remembering that the only time the BLs have beaten NZ the team was packed with Welshmen, if something works why not try it again. Very disappointed Gethin Jenkins not in squad, far to many non welsh props in this squad.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 5:39 pm

Newsilure wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Taking 12 Welshmen to NZ to beat a team only their Great Great Granddad's can remember beating is tacking the biscuit.

Sorry, forgot they start early in the Valleys.

Maybe he is remembering that the only time the BLs have beaten NZ the team was packed with Welshmen, if something works why not try it again. Very disappointed Gethin Jenkins not in squad, far to many non welsh props in this squad.



Far to many non welsh props in the squad.


Far to many Welsh players in the squad. And not enough Scots players. Seeing that Scotland finished higher than Wales this year.

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Post by Newsilure on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 5:50 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
Newsilure wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Taking 12 Welshmen to NZ to beat a team only their Great Great Granddad's can remember beating is tacking the biscuit.

Sorry, forgot they start early in the Valleys.

Maybe he is remembering that the only time the BLs have beaten NZ the team was packed with Welshmen, if something works why not try it again. Very disappointed Gethin Jenkins not in squad, far to many non welsh props in this squad.



Far to many non welsh props in the squad.


Far to many Welsh players in the squad. And not enough Scots players. Seeing that Scotland finished higher than Wales this year.

Agree about the low number of Scots, they made the 6N's a lot more fun to watch this year and should be better represented, probably one of the Grey brothers, maybe Russell and Weir would have made a great tourist and mid week leader.

But on the general question of G's selection policy this board is reacting almost as angrily as in 2013 and remember how that turned out.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 5:57 pm

Newsilure wrote:

But on the general question of G's selection policy this board is reacting almost as angrily as in 2013 and remember how that turned out.

You are hoping lightening strikes twice?  Well good man, put the money down.  
G has done many a selection in his day and it hasn't always worked out(even against them Aussies that he finally nabbed with the help of players from other Nations on that Lions tour ) - so........... it's the roll of a dice.

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Post by George Carlin on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 8:38 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Roberts could help out the medical staff for when they get battered in the 1st game.
Laugh
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Post by Cotswoldwolf on Wed 19 Apr 2017, 10:39 pm

As an Englishman I can't believe nowell was selected. Likewise can't understand Henderson who was poor in 6 n and does not have a position.

If laidlaw fit he could have been another scot on tour.

Think Owens at hooker a good call but would take Hartley instead of best who has shown consistently that his throwing can melt down.

Overall a good lions squad.

Russell unlucky and biggar/ Payne luckiest tourist ever.

Great to see Moriarty and would of taken Heaslip instead of faletau but small margins

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Post by Taylorman on Thu 20 Apr 2017, 4:08 am

Poorfour wrote:
No9 wrote:
Poorfour wrote:Players per match point earned in the 6N:
England – 16 players, 19 points – 0.84
Ireland – 11 players, 14 points – 0.79
Scotland – 2 players, 14 points -  0.14
Wales – 12 players, 10 points – 1.20.

Fantastic... the most pointless stat I have EVER seen. clap Erm

You're not very au fait with statistics, then. That's OK, I'll explain: the selection isn't well correlated with recent performances.

Can you update it after the three tests as a comparison please? Wink

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Post by highland_scot on Thu 20 Apr 2017, 7:42 am

Newsilure wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
Newsilure wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Taking 12 Welshmen to NZ to beat a team only their Great Great Granddad's can remember beating is tacking the biscuit.

Sorry, forgot they start early in the Valleys.

Maybe he is remembering that the only time the BLs have beaten NZ the team was packed with Welshmen, if something works why not try it again. Very disappointed Gethin Jenkins not in squad, far to many non welsh props in this squad.



Far to many non welsh props in the squad.


Far to many Welsh players in the squad. And not enough Scots players. Seeing that Scotland finished higher than Wales this year.

Agree about the low number of Scots, they made the 6N's a lot more fun to watch this year and should be better represented, probably one of the Grey brothers, maybe Russell and Weir would have made a great tourist and mid week leader.  

But on the general question of G's selection policy this board is reacting almost as angrily as in 2013 and remember how that turned out.

Shocked Shocked Shocked

Doddie Weir? Because it certainly can't be Duncan...

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Post by SecretFly on Thu 20 Apr 2017, 12:27 pm

Ah stop Highland. Don't be laughing. Little cute Duncan could go as mascot. He has a very pattable head.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 20 Apr 2017, 12:45 pm

When Henry coached Wales they didnt exactly have a great team or players other than the guys like Gibbs and Jenkins that were picked. Wales finished last that year in the 6N. It would have been ridiculous if Henry picked a lot of Welsh players.

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Post by Griff on Thu 20 Apr 2017, 1:08 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:When Henry coached Wales they didnt exactly have a great team or players other than the guys like Gibbs and Jenkins that were picked. Wales finished last that year in the 6N. It would have been ridiculous if Henry picked a lot of Welsh players.

Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but Henry picked 11 Welshmen in the Lions squad to tour Oz. And they finished 4th not last in 2001. Didn't have good players? : Gibbs, Neil Jenkins, Scott Quinell, Dafydd James, Colin Charvis, Martyn Williams, Dai Young, Rob Howley (thankfully the player, not the coach) - very decent players there.

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 20 Apr 2017, 4:42 pm

Gibbs didn't initially tour either.

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Post by Gwlad on Thu 20 Apr 2017, 5:04 pm

highland_scot wrote:
Newsilure wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
Newsilure wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Taking 12 Welshmen to NZ to beat a team only their Great Great Granddad's can remember beating is tacking the biscuit.

Sorry, forgot they start early in the Valleys.

Maybe he is remembering that the only time the BLs have beaten NZ the team was packed with Welshmen, if something works why not try it again. Very disappointed Gethin Jenkins not in squad, far to many non welsh props in this squad.



Far to many non welsh props in the squad.


Far to many Welsh players in the squad. And not enough Scots players. Seeing that Scotland finished higher than Wales this year.

Agree about the low number of Scots, they made the 6N's a lot more fun to watch this year and should be better represented, probably one of the Grey brothers, maybe Russell and Weir would have made a great tourist and mid week leader.  

But on the general question of G's selection policy this board is reacting almost as angrily as in 2013 and remember how that turned out.

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Re: **** The B+I Lions! (+ 2 Scots)

Post by Gwlad on Thu 20 Apr 2017, 5:50 pm

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TightHEAD wrote:Taking 12 Welshmen to NZ to beat a team only their Great Great Granddad's can remember beating is tacking the biscuit.

Sorry, forgot they start early in the Valleys.

Maybe he is remembering that the only time the BLs have beaten NZ the team was packed with Welshmen, if something works why not try it again. Very disappointed Gethin Jenkins not in squad, far to many non welsh props in this squad.



Far to many non welsh props in the squad.


Far to many Welsh players in the squad. And not enough Scots players. Seeing that Scotland finished higher than Wales this year.

Must be copying Sir Clive who took 20 English to NZ in the 2005 debacle tour and only 10 Welsh after they'd won a Grand Slam.

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Re: **** The B+I Lions! (+ 2 Scots)

Post by majesticimperialman on Thu 20 Apr 2017, 6:38 pm

Gwlad wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
Newsilure wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Taking 12 Welshmen to NZ to beat a team only their Great Great Granddad's can remember beating is tacking the biscuit.

Sorry, forgot they start early in the Valleys.

Maybe he is remembering that the only time the BLs have beaten NZ the team was packed with Welshmen, if something works why not try it again. Very disappointed Gethin Jenkins not in squad, far to many non welsh props in this squad.



Far to many non welsh props in the squad.


Far to many Welsh players in the squad. And not enough Scots players. Seeing that Scotland finished higher than Wales this year.

Must be copying Sir Clive who took 20 English to NZ in the 2005 debacle tour and only 10 Welsh after they'd won a Grand Slam.


Maybe he will get the same result then.

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Re: **** The B+I Lions! (+ 2 Scots)

Post by Gwlad on Thu 20 Apr 2017, 6:44 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
Newsilure wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Taking 12 Welshmen to NZ to beat a team only their Great Great Granddad's can remember beating is tacking the biscuit.

Sorry, forgot they start early in the Valleys.

Maybe he is remembering that the only time the BLs have beaten NZ the team was packed with Welshmen, if something works why not try it again. Very disappointed Gethin Jenkins not in squad, far to many non welsh props in this squad.



Far to many non welsh props in the squad.


Far to many Welsh players in the squad. And not enough Scots players. Seeing that Scotland finished higher than Wales this year.

Must be copying Sir Clive who took 20 English to NZ in the 2005 debacle tour and only 10 Welsh after they'd won a Grand Slam.


Maybe he will get the same result then.

You'd actually welcome that just to prove he is at fault. picard

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Re: **** The B+I Lions! (+ 2 Scots)

Post by TightHEAD on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 9:53 am

Only a fool would bet against a 3-0 NZ win.
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Re: **** The B+I Lions! (+ 2 Scots)

Post by nganboy on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 11:35 am

TightHEAD wrote:Only a fool would bet against a 3-0 NZ win.

Gee you're a real supporter aren't you. You seem to be very passionate for someone who feels the Lions are an outdated concept.

My introduction to rugby was the Lions vs ABs in the 70s so I love the idea of it and am looking forward to the tour. This year will be my first time to see them live.
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Re: **** The B+I Lions! (+ 2 Scots)

Post by TightHEAD on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 11:42 am

I'm sorry you won't get to see a true representation of what the NH are capable of playing this summer.

We have some wonderfully talented rugby players, some have been included but it is unlikely they will play to the tactics that will benefit their skills.

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Re: **** The B+I Lions! (+ 2 Scots)

Post by nganboy on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 11:51 am

I've seen plenty of games between the ABs and NH teams over the last 40 years so I've got a fair idea of what they're capable of.

I'm an old fashioned fan and support my team regardless. ABs, Hurricanes, Wellington. I get to every home game even when I know we're going to lose.
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