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Post by Muscular-mouse on Wed 19 Apr - 23:11

Ok guys what are your predictions, how will you be voting and who do you want to win.

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu 20 Apr - 8:32

Cons, Cons and more Cons. Labour ain't got a clue (plus i can't stand Corbyn), UKIP aren't worth anything anymore and i don't think they even know why they're still there. Lib Dems need to grow a backbone so i'll stick with the status quo for now. (although in all honesty, they're all as bad as each other)

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Post by rick_dagless on Thu 20 Apr - 8:35

Someone basically doing something they said they wouldn't, to gain a mandate that they claim they already have, to implement a policy they were against in the first place.

Fun times.

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Post by superflyweight on Thu 20 Apr - 9:00

F*ck this election, f*ck this government, f*ck Corbyn and his supporters, f*ck Farage and the far right for hijacking politics in this country, and f*ck the SNP for reducing politics in Scotland to base nationalism and binary thought.

Democracy can go f*ck itself as far as I'm concerned.  I won't be voting for any of the shower of sh1t.  


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Post by superflyweight on Thu 20 Apr - 9:01

superflyweight wrote:F*ck this election, f*ck this government, f*ck Corbyn and his supporters, f*ck Farage and the far right for hijacking politics in this country, and f*ck the SNP for reducing politics in Scotland to base nationalism and binary thought.

Democracy can go f*ck itself as far as I'm concerned.  I won't be voting for any of the shower of sh1t.  


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Post by rick_dagless on Thu 20 Apr - 9:18

Morning supes, choose life.

Most of the candidates will be impeached for the 2015 f**k up anyway, so probably not worth the effort.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 20 Apr - 9:38

One very slim hope for Labour to keep the majority down is that in low income areas they bled a lot of votes to UKIP in 2015....Not every constitutuency will be as Tory friendly as Copeland in its demography.

UKIP is irrelevant and on its arse... Whilst the higher income UKIPERS will go blue...The Liberals are anti- Brexit !!...

Can they get enough of these people back to avoid a humiliation.

It's a faint hope...The only thing Labour can hold on to.


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Post by Hero on Thu 20 Apr - 10:33

Hope the OP doesn't mind but I've added a poll in for people.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 20 Apr - 10:38

You voting Tory Hero ????

I'm voting Green..........Not with any enthusiasm..


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Post by Hero on Thu 20 Apr - 10:41

I once voted Tory, my very first election back in 92 I think it was with John Major! Since then though I've always been a Liberal which I'm sure will be met with considerable groans from a few.

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Post by superflyweight on Thu 20 Apr - 10:45

Poll needs a none of the above option.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 20 Apr - 10:49

superflyweight wrote:Poll needs a none of the above option.  

Where are Richard Pryor and John Candy when we need them !!!............. UK General Election 2017 Thread 3559488474 .......

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Post by Muscular-mouse on Thu 20 Apr - 13:47

A lot of people online are saying they will vote lib dem to stop brexit but having listened to Tim Farron he seems to be saying vote for lib dems to stop a hard brexit. I don't think the lib dems will stop brexit even if they won the GE, I think they don't have the backbone for it.

The lib dems are being smart, they are making it look like they will reject brexit but all they are actually saying is they will stop a HARD brexit.

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu 20 Apr - 13:51

I don't think you could stop Brexit now, not without making a further mockery of the whole system

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 20 Apr - 13:59

At the moment Labour is set to win...Looking at the poll on here. Cool

Lib dems are the unknown quantity in this GE for sure.

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Post by Pr4wn on Thu 20 Apr - 14:41

With what the Tories are doing to the NHS, libraries, the disabled and the poor across the UK, I don't know how anyone can vote for them and have a clear conscience afterwards.

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu 20 Apr - 15:10

Who are you voting for and why Pr4wn. I'm voting cons cause think labour will put us further in the doldrums, lib dems spin depending on who they think the public wants to hear and so on.

It's all a bag of crap but at this point in time think Cons are the best of a bad bunch

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 20 Apr - 15:15

Derbymanc wrote:Who are you voting for and why Pr4wn. I'm voting cons cause think labour will put us further in the doldrums, lib dems spin depending on who they think the public wants to hear and so on.

It's all a bag of crap but at this point in time think Cons are the best of a bad bunch

You shouldn't vote.Derby..You have changed your mind on Brexit already and have proven you are uninformed when it comes to politics

By July you will probably have wished you had voted Labour.

A 60 seat majority for Governments with Liam Fox types in.. for me is scary..

Won't vote for Corbyn though but anyone with a social conscience should never go blue.

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 20 Apr - 15:17

Pr4wn wrote:With what the Tories are doing to the NHS, libraries, the disabled and the poor across the UK, I don't know how anyone can vote for them and have a clear conscience afterwards.
Does anyone care about the poor or disabled? Amazon is cheap enough for books these days, and easy enough to get health insurance with a decent job Cool

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu 20 Apr - 15:24

I'm not fussed about Brexit Truss, I think more information should have been given to the general public and MP's should be held to account on what they promise (but that's in general).

Everyone always complains about the government even if they voted them in, it's the joys of being miserable sods :-)

As it stands at the moment think the Cons are the best we've got, which says a hell of a lot more about the labour party than anything else.

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Post by Hero on Thu 20 Apr - 15:44

This is quite handy for those who aren't aware on each political parties policies but want to find which is closest to their own leanings: https://uk.isidewith.com/

Found it fairly accurate of my values in that Lib Dems came top, Labour and Green 2nd and 3rd whilst UKIP and BNP were at the bottom.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 20 Apr - 15:47

Derbymanc wrote:I'm not fussed about Brexit Truss, I think more information should have been given to the general public and MP's should be held to account on what they promise (but that's in general).

Everyone always complains about the government even if they voted them in, it's the joys of being miserable sods :-)

As it stands at the moment think the Cons are the best we've got, which says a hell of a lot more about the labour party than anything else.

You think perhaps a 13 majority and a coalition between 2010 and 2015 maybe curbed excesses ????........

Hero is right.............You should perhaps investigate more.....Maybe we all should....

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 20 Apr - 15:50

Weird questions. Never heard a UK political party have an abortion stance, and gay marriage is already legalised.

Apparently I'm Lib Dem. Wouldn't have known.

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu 20 Apr - 15:52

Can't disagree with that Truss. Although i don't trust any mp so there's that as well. But i am a staunch believer in if you don't have a say, then don't whinge about it. (simplistic i know).

67 percent cons and the same for lib dems. Think it must be an old quiz though tbh

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Post by GSC on Thu 20 Apr - 18:08

I won't vote for Corbyns Labour. Beyond that not sure yet.
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Post by Muscular-mouse on Thu 20 Apr - 18:47

GSC wrote:I won't vote for Corbyns Labour. Beyond that not sure yet.

What is it about Corbyn or his policies that you disagree with?

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Post by GSC on Thu 20 Apr - 19:35

I find him completely useless. Anyone competent should be demolishing this government. Hes set to lose seats
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Post by JDizzle on Thu 20 Apr - 19:41

I don't really want to vote for Corbyn's Labour, but I am in a seat that is fairly marginal with the Tories (2500, roughly) so will probably hold my nose and vote Lab.

If Farron wasn't so much of a berk I would probably go Lib Dem.

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Post by Muscular-mouse on Thu 20 Apr - 21:30

GSC wrote:I find him completely useless. Anyone competent should be demolishing this government. Hes set to lose seats

I think he is a very honest politician, the problem is most of his party (mps) don't want him and so they always undermine him.

He has won most of the elections he has been in such as mayor of London and a host of by elections. His only negative election was the most recent by election where labour lost a safe seat but I attribute that to Brexit.

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Post by Ent on Thu 20 Apr - 23:07

Corbyn is useless, too old and has no track record in front line or even party politics to call on. How can he lead a party when he has spent his entire career rebelling against the party line. He is going to decimate Labour and leave the UK a 1 party state for a generation.

History repeats itself.

The only hope is the electorate is smart enough to give the conservatives a hiding for having the audacity to call an election at this point, you would hope a lot of the smaller parties and independents would pick up seats but it's likely we will see a huge conservative majority established and most of the country shat on for years to come.

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Post by Muscular-mouse on Thu 20 Apr - 23:20

Ent wrote:Corbyn is useless, too old and has no track record in front line or even party politics to call on. How can he lead a party when he has spent his entire career rebelling against the party line. He is going to decimate Labour and leave the UK a 1 party state for a generation.

History repeats itself.

The only hope is the electorate is smart enough to give the conservatives a hiding for having the audacity to call an election at this point, you would hope a lot of the smaller parties and independents would pick up seats but it's likely we will see a huge conservative majority established and most of the country shat on for years to come.

He's only 5 years older than Teresa May.

People say politicians are all the same, now we have a politician who is different people are saying they would rather have the same old politicians.

I quite like Corbyn, he has been attacked massively by the right wing press over claims he is a weak leader but when you compare him to Teresa May he is a lot stronger than her. All Teresa May has done as a leader is back down over her principles and just followed the views of what the majority/ press want. Examples include her being a remainer last year and now all of a sudden she is the most ardent hardline brexiter around. She wanted to change self employed tax rates and then changed her position after the press attacked her for it. She vowed not to hold an early general election and then went back on her word purely for party political gains because the polls showed she had a massive lead.

Teresa May hasn't shown any good leadership skills whatsoever. All she has done is change her position every time the opposite view seems more popular. It seems like the Daily Mail is in power in this country sometimes.

When you look at Corbyn he has stuck by his principles or changed them slightly so that he is still listening to the electorate. He has shown tremendous courage holding off the challenge of labour mps and winning two labour leadership elections. And when it comes to Brexit even though he was a remainer he hasn't just succumbed to the loud brexit raving mob who want a hard brexit like Theresa May has, he has listened to both sides remain and brexit and created a plan to appeal to both. That plan is brexit, as that's what the majority wanted but a soft brext so free trade and single market along with free movement of people and all the workers protection laws the eu has given us.

Just changing your view to support the loud raving mob isn't great leadership, that's scared leadership. But sticking to your principles but altering them to appease all sides, giving more weight to the majority but still taking the minority's view into account is a sign of great leadership in my view.

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Thu 20 Apr - 23:27

I'll be voting Lib Dem, mainly on basis that I think Brexit will be very damaging to the economy, to UK's standing in the world, and potentially to the future unity of the United Kingdom  - and I think this will become more and more evident within a very few years.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 21 Apr - 0:44

Musclular-mouse wrote:
Ent wrote:Corbyn is useless, too old and has no track record in front line or even party politics to call on. How can he lead a party when he has spent his entire career rebelling against the party line. He is going to decimate Labour and leave the UK a 1 party state for a generation.

History repeats itself.

The only hope is the electorate is smart enough to give the conservatives a hiding for having the audacity to call an election at this point, you would hope a lot of the smaller parties and independents would pick up seats but it's likely we will see a huge conservative majority established and most of the country shat on for years to come.

He's only 5 years older than Teresa May.

People say politicians are all the same, now we have a politician who is different people are saying they would rather have the same old politicians.

I quite like Corbyn, he has been attacked massively by the right wing press over claims he is a weak leader but when you compare him to Teresa May he is a lot stronger than her. All Teresa May has done as a leader is back down over her principles and just followed the views of what the majority/ press want. Examples include her being a remainer last year and now all of a sudden she is the most ardent hardline brexiter around. She wanted to change self employed tax rates and then changed her position after the press attacked her for it. She vowed not to hold an early general election and then went back on her word purely for party political gains because the polls showed she had a massive lead.

Teresa May hasn't shown any good leadership skills whatsoever. All she has done is change her position every time the opposite view seems more popular. It seems like the Daily Mail is in power in this country sometimes.

When you look at Corbyn he has stuck by his principles or changed them slightly so that he is still listening to the electorate. He has shown tremendous courage holding off the challenge of labour mps and winning two labour leadership elections. And when it comes to Brexit even though he was a remainer he hasn't just succumbed to the loud brexit raving mob who want a hard brexit like Theresa May has, he has listened to both sides remain and brexit and created a plan to appeal to both. That plan is brexit, as that's what the majority wanted but a soft brext so free trade and single market along with free movement of people and all the workers protection laws the eu has given us.

Just changing your view to support the loud raving mob isn't great leadership, that's scared leadership. But sticking to your principles but altering them to appease all sides, giving more weight to the majority but still taking the minority's view into account is a sign of great leadership in my view.

Trump won because people who hadn't voted before got off their ass

Polls won't pick these people up....

I won't be voting for Corbyn but it's an interesting age where nothing is taken as read.

Believe if you want to...Why not ??

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Post by Ent on Fri 21 Apr - 7:35

Musclular-mouse wrote:
Ent wrote:Corbyn is useless, too old and has no track record in front line or even party politics to call on. How can he lead a party when he has spent his entire career rebelling against the party line. He is going to decimate Labour and leave the UK a 1 party state for a generation.

History repeats itself.

The only hope is the electorate is smart enough to give the conservatives a hiding for having the audacity to call an election at this point, you would hope a lot of the smaller parties and independents would pick up seats but it's likely we will see a huge conservative majority established and most of the country shat on for years to come.

He's only 5 years older than Teresa May.

People say politicians are all the same, now we have a politician who is different people are saying they would rather have the same old politicians.

I quite like Corbyn, he has been attacked massively by the right wing press over claims he is a weak leader but when you compare him to Teresa May he is a lot stronger than her. All Teresa May has done as a leader is back down over her principles and just followed the views of what the majority/ press want. Examples include her being a remainer last year and now all of a sudden she is the most ardent hardline brexiter around. She wanted to change self employed tax rates and then changed her position after the press attacked her for it. She vowed not to hold an early general election and then went back on her word purely for party political gains because the polls showed she had a massive lead.

Teresa May hasn't shown any good leadership skills whatsoever. All she has done is change her position every time the opposite view seems more popular. It seems like the Daily Mail is in power in this country sometimes.

When you look at Corbyn he has stuck by his principles or changed them slightly so that he is still listening to the electorate. He has shown tremendous courage holding off the challenge of labour mps and winning two labour leadership elections. And when it comes to Brexit even though he was a remainer he hasn't just succumbed to the loud brexit raving mob who want a hard brexit like Theresa May has, he has listened to both sides remain and brexit and created a plan to appeal to both. That plan is brexit, as that's what the majority wanted but a soft brext so free trade and single market along with free movement of people and all the workers protection laws the eu has given us.

Just changing your view to support the loud raving mob isn't great leadership, that's scared leadership. But sticking to your principles but altering them to appease all sides, giving more weight to the majority but still taking the minority's view into account is a sign of great leadership in my view.

Don't even know where to start on this.

Corbyn 67, May 60. May 20 years of frontline politics experience.

Want a different kind of politician all you want, you need someone competent.

The Labour party are in complete and utter disarray under Corbyn are polling miserably for an opposition and their election results are terrible. There are continual fall outs and resignations from not only the shadow cabinet but the party. He isn't leading, he is standing watching it all crumble around him.

I'm no fan of May but whilst she campaigned for remain she is now in charge of carrying out brexit, given the previous deal with the EU (which was a bloody good one) there is no other type of brexit other than a hard one - clearly she has to be pro brexit.

Corbyn has changed his views and principles more than any other front line politician I can remember - Nuclear power and Trident are massive u turns from him. He has spent decades campaigning against nuclear only to change his mind after a word in the ear from the unions.

As for leaving the EU his opinion is irrelevant, he was awol during the referendum and couldn't get labour voters onside.

He doesn't listen to the majority, he listens to the loud raving minority - his momentum group that have backed him to leadership election wins.

If he was brave he would see what was going on around him and fall on his sword, give labour a chance of winning power.

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Post by GSC on Fri 21 Apr - 9:06

Ent hit the nail on the head for me, Corbyn may be a departure from your typical politician, but that doesn't make him a competent candidate to lead this country.
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Post by JuliusHMarx on Fri 21 Apr - 9:40

Agree with Ent about Corbyn.

Also he spent years voting against his own party leadership, then got all hot under the collar when Labour MPs defied him as party leader, calling for unity - rank hypocrisy.

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Post by Muscular-mouse on Fri 21 Apr - 10:28

Ent wrote:
Musclular-mouse wrote:
Ent wrote:Corbyn is useless, too old and has no track record in front line or even party politics to call on. How can he lead a party when he has spent his entire career rebelling against the party line. He is going to decimate Labour and leave the UK a 1 party state for a generation.

History repeats itself.

The only hope is the electorate is smart enough to give the conservatives a hiding for having the audacity to call an election at this point, you would hope a lot of the smaller parties and independents would pick up seats but it's likely we will see a huge conservative majority established and most of the country shat on for years to come.

He's only 5 years older than Teresa May.

People say politicians are all the same, now we have a politician who is different people are saying they would rather have the same old politicians.

I quite like Corbyn, he has been attacked massively by the right wing press over claims he is a weak leader but when you compare him to Teresa May he is a lot stronger than her. All Teresa May has done as a leader is back down over her principles and just followed the views of what the majority/ press want. Examples include her being a remainer last year and now all of a sudden she is the most ardent hardline brexiter around. She wanted to change self employed tax rates and then changed her position after the press attacked her for it. She vowed not to hold an early general election and then went back on her word purely for party political gains because the polls showed she had a massive lead.

Teresa May hasn't shown any good leadership skills whatsoever. All she has done is change her position every time the opposite view seems more popular. It seems like the Daily Mail is in power in this country sometimes.

When you look at Corbyn he has stuck by his principles or changed them slightly so that he is still listening to the electorate. He has shown tremendous courage holding off the challenge of labour mps and winning two labour leadership elections. And when it comes to Brexit even though he was a remainer he hasn't just succumbed to the loud brexit raving mob who want a hard brexit like Theresa May has, he has listened to both sides remain and brexit and created a plan to appeal to both. That plan is brexit, as that's what the majority wanted but a soft brext so free trade and single market along with free movement of people and all the workers protection laws the eu has given us.

Just changing your view to support the loud raving mob isn't great leadership, that's scared leadership. But sticking to your principles but altering them to appease all sides, giving more weight to the majority but still taking the minority's view into account is a sign of great leadership in my view.

Don't even know where to start on this.

Corbyn 67, May 60. May 20 years of frontline politics experience.

Want a different kind of politician all you want, you need someone competent.

The Labour party are in complete and utter disarray under Corbyn are polling miserably for an opposition and their election results are terrible. There are continual fall outs and resignations from not only the shadow cabinet but the party. He isn't leading, he is standing watching it all crumble around him.

I'm no fan of May but whilst she campaigned for remain she is now in charge of carrying out brexit, given the previous deal with the EU (which was a bloody good one) there is no other type of brexit other than a hard one - clearly she has to be pro brexit.

Corbyn has changed his views and principles more than any other front line politician I can remember - Nuclear power and Trident are massive u turns from him. He has spent decades campaigning against nuclear only to change his mind after a word in the ear from the unions.

As for leaving the EU his opinion is irrelevant, he was awol during the referendum and couldn't get labour voters onside.

He doesn't listen to the majority, he listens to the loud raving minority - his momentum group that have backed him to leadership election wins.

If he was brave he would see what was going on around him and fall on his sword, give labour a chance of winning power.

You classed Corbyn as too old to be the PM when he is only 7 years older than May.

You keep saying Corbyn is not competent but why? I'm going to guess that it is because of the election results that he has had whilst he has been in power as that was your next point.

Lets look at election results under Corbyn and other results

. He won the labour leadership election with 59% of the vote, that is the largest mandate any leader from any party has won in a leadership election.

The labour party membership has increased massively under him to over 600,000 which makes it the largest membership of any party in western Europe.

In corbyn's first local election he won more seats than what Blair did and what Cameron did in their first local election results. Under Corbyn labour got more of the vote than what Blair did in 2001 when Labour won a landslide at the GE.

in by election results he has won 6 out of 10 by elections.

Under Corbyn Labour won the London mayoral election, with the candidate receiving the most votes any candidate has ever received in an election.

You say Corbyn was AWOL during the EU referendum and couldn't get voters onside but 63% of labour voters voted to remain in the EU. That is roughly the same as SNP voters where 64% voted to remain and Lib Dem where 70% voted to remain. It was actually David Cameron who failed to get his party's supporters onside because only 42% of Conservative supporters voted to remain.

What is it that makes you think Corbyn is incompetent as a leader? He has won by elections and local elections and mayoral elections with the share of the vote going up in some of those elections. SO what is it that you think makes him incompetent?

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Post by JuliusHMarx on Fri 21 Apr - 10:55

In Corbyn's first local election he lost 11 seats. Blair gained 1807 seats.
Losing seats against an austerity-driven Government 6 years into their reign is a staggeringly poor result.

For Brexit, maybe Cameron was even more incompetent, but Corbyn was certainly incompetent.

The most recent by elections showed Labour to be on the slide when they ought to be on the up.

Those who believe in Corbyn tend to believe very strongly. But that isn't enough. He has thus far been ineffective in leading Labour anywhere near a General Election victory, in a time when the Tories ought to be easy pickings.

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Post by GSC on Fri 21 Apr - 11:11

No sitting government, and especially this one, should be gaining. Let alone taking a Labour stronghold seat. Or holding onto another while decreasing your vote share largely because the Tories and UKIP split their vote.

Corbyn should be making major gains into this government. Those are the goalposts to judge him against.
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Post by GSC on Fri 21 Apr - 11:15

That May feels comfortable enough to call a snap general election with a majority of 13 just after triggering Brexit, should be the biggest warning sign on Corbyns reign.
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Post by Muscular-mouse on Fri 21 Apr - 11:16

GSC wrote:No sitting government, and especially this one, should be gaining. Let alone taking a Labour stronghold seat. Or holding onto another while decreasing your vote share largely because the Tories and UKIP split their vote.

Corbyn should be making major gains into this government. Those are the goalposts to judge him against.

Well we will find out in 6 weeks how successful he will be. I am thinking that the tories may lose enough seats to not have a majority.

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Post by GSC on Fri 21 Apr - 11:18

I daresay voting for the Lib Dems might be a more effective method of winning seats from the Conservatives
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Post by Muscular-mouse on Fri 21 Apr - 11:21

GSC wrote:That May feels comfortable enough to call a snap general election with a majority of 13 just after triggering Brexit, should be the biggest warning sign on Corbyns reign.

You could also argue that the fact Corbn agreed to it shows that he feels comfortable. If labour said they didn't want a snap election then there wouldn't have been one.

To be honest if I was Corbyn I would have rejected the snap election because a large majority of people are still going to be voting purely on brexit and with Theresa May's hardline approach to brexit she will round up all the UKIP votes and the Lib dems will appeal to hard core remainers as they are the only major party to still be opposing Brexit so Labour are kind of in no mans land.

Corbyn should have waited until 2020 to have an election in my view. People would vote on domestic issues then as Brexit would most likely be over and I think the COnservatives nasty policies would have been highlighted and it would be a Labour victory.

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Post by Muscular-mouse on Fri 21 Apr - 11:26

GSC wrote:I daresay voting for the Lib Dems might be a more effective method of winning seats from the Conservatives

Yep, in certain constitucienes it will be wiser to vote lib dem. a few London boroughs and a lot of seats in the south west will be a contest between the tories and the lib dems and it will be interesting to see if the lib dems can recover and take back those seats. I think the by election where Zac Goldsmith lost his seat to a lib dem shows the support the lib dem party has won back because of brexit and their hardline remain status.

I do think that labour has shown very recently they are still a force. They won the stoke by election which was the brexit capital of England. They beat UKIPs leader who stood in that election. I thik that shows that they can still win seats and shouldn't be ruled out.

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Post by GSC on Fri 21 Apr - 11:30

There is no way Corbyn could instruct his party to vote against a snap election. PR suicide, May would have had him by the proverbials for the rest of his stint as leader
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Post by GSC on Fri 21 Apr - 11:33

They decreased their vote share and largely won it because UKIP and the Torys split their vote (.ca 24% each) and both raised their vote share.

That shouldn't be used as a pro Corbyn example.
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Post by Muscular-mouse on Fri 21 Apr - 11:34

GSC wrote:There is no way Corbyn could instruct his party to vote against a snap election. PR suicide, May would have had him by the proverbials for the rest of his stint as leader

yep and that is the problem with the fixed term parliament Act. it was designed to create more stability and stop governments calling snap elections when the polls showed they had a lead but in reality it will never stop it. No opposition party is ever going to vote against having a snap election because like you say, it would be pr suicide and would show so much weakness.

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Post by Ent on Sat 22 Apr - 0:28

Musclular-mouse wrote:
Ent wrote:
Musclular-mouse wrote:
Ent wrote:Corbyn is useless, too old and has no track record in front line or even party politics to call on. How can he lead a party when he has spent his entire career rebelling against the party line. He is going to decimate Labour and leave the UK a 1 party state for a generation.

History repeats itself.

The only hope is the electorate is smart enough to give the conservatives a hiding for having the audacity to call an election at this point, you would hope a lot of the smaller parties and independents would pick up seats but it's likely we will see a huge conservative majority established and most of the country shat on for years to come.

He's only 5 years older than Teresa May.

People say politicians are all the same, now we have a politician who is different people are saying they would rather have the same old politicians.

I quite like Corbyn, he has been attacked massively by the right wing press over claims he is a weak leader but when you compare him to Teresa May he is a lot stronger than her. All Teresa May has done as a leader is back down over her principles and just followed the views of what the majority/ press want. Examples include her being a remainer last year and now all of a sudden she is the most ardent hardline brexiter around. She wanted to change self employed tax rates and then changed her position after the press attacked her for it. She vowed not to hold an early general election and then went back on her word purely for party political gains because the polls showed she had a massive lead.

Teresa May hasn't shown any good leadership skills whatsoever. All she has done is change her position every time the opposite view seems more popular. It seems like the Daily Mail is in power in this country sometimes.

When you look at Corbyn he has stuck by his principles or changed them slightly so that he is still listening to the electorate. He has shown tremendous courage holding off the challenge of labour mps and winning two labour leadership elections. And when it comes to Brexit even though he was a remainer he hasn't just succumbed to the loud brexit raving mob who want a hard brexit like Theresa May has, he has listened to both sides remain and brexit and created a plan to appeal to both. That plan is brexit, as that's what the majority wanted but a soft brext so free trade and single market along with free movement of people and all the workers protection laws the eu has given us.

Just changing your view to support the loud raving mob isn't great leadership, that's scared leadership. But sticking to your principles but altering them to appease all sides, giving more weight to the majority but still taking the minority's view into account is a sign of great leadership in my view.

Don't even know where to start on this.

Corbyn 67, May 60. May 20 years of frontline politics experience.

Want a different kind of politician all you want, you need someone competent.

The Labour party are in complete and utter disarray under Corbyn are polling miserably for an opposition and their election results are terrible. There are continual fall outs and resignations from not only the shadow cabinet but the party. He isn't leading, he is standing watching it all crumble around him.

I'm no fan of May but whilst she campaigned for remain she is now in charge of carrying out brexit, given the previous deal with the EU (which was a bloody good one) there is no other type of brexit other than a hard one - clearly she has to be pro brexit.

Corbyn has changed his views and principles more than any other front line politician I can remember - Nuclear power and Trident are massive u turns from him. He has spent decades campaigning against nuclear only to change his mind after a word in the ear from the unions.

As for leaving the EU his opinion is irrelevant, he was awol during the referendum and couldn't get labour voters onside.

He doesn't listen to the majority, he listens to the loud raving minority - his momentum group that have backed him to leadership election wins.

If he was brave he would see what was going on around him and fall on his sword, give labour a chance of winning power.

You classed Corbyn as too old to be the PM when he is only 7 years older than May.

You keep saying Corbyn is not competent but why? I'm going to guess that it is because of the election results that he has had whilst he has been in power as that was your next point.

Lets look at election results under Corbyn and other results

. He won the labour leadership election with 59% of the vote, that is the largest mandate any leader from any party has won in a leadership election.

The labour party membership has increased massively under him to over 600,000 which makes it the largest membership of any party in western Europe.

In corbyn's first local election he won more seats than what Blair did and what Cameron did in their first local election results. Under Corbyn labour got more of the vote than what Blair did in 2001 when Labour won a landslide at the GE.

in by election results he has won 6 out of 10 by elections.

Under Corbyn Labour won the London mayoral election, with the candidate receiving the most votes any candidate has ever received in an election.

You say Corbyn was AWOL during the EU referendum and couldn't get voters onside but 63% of labour voters voted to remain in the EU. That is roughly the same as SNP voters where 64% voted to remain and Lib Dem where 70% voted to remain. It was actually David Cameron who failed to get his party's supporters onside because only 42% of Conservative supporters voted to remain.

What is it that makes you think Corbyn is incompetent as a leader? He has won by elections and local elections and mayoral elections with the share of the vote going up in some of those elections. SO what is it that you think makes him incompetent?

The u turns, the embarrassing gaffes, the terrible performances on PMQs.

The labour leadership election results are irrelevant to anything but selecting the leader - his momentum group heavily back him, to the point where his opponents feel threatened and are worried about deselection.

His election results are terrible, Labour have lost seats in the local elections which never happens to an opposition party. His by election results have seen a loss in vote share and seats. There have been 7 by elections in labour held seats, 1 was not contested due to the murder of the sitting MP. The last 3 have seen a loss in vote share in 2 retained seats and the historic loss of a seat.

Yorkshire, north east, north west all labour areas that voted to leave EU when the party's official stance was to remain.

In corbyn's first local election he won more seats than what Blair did and what Cameron did in their first local election results. Under Corbyn labour got more of the vote than what Blair did in 2001 when Labour won a landslide at the GE.

None of this is true.

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Post by Muscular-mouse on Sat 22 Apr - 2:57

Ent wrote:

In corbyn's first local election he won more seats than what Blair did and what Cameron did in their first local election results. Under Corbyn labour got more of the vote than what Blair did in 2001 when Labour won a landslide at the GE.

None of this is true.
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excuse me not more seats, more percentage of councils. In Blair's first local election (1995) he won 46% of councils. In Cameron's first local election (2006) he won 41% of councils and in Corbyns first local elections he won 47% of councils.

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Post by GSC on Sat 22 Apr - 7:22

We can shift the goalposts for Corbyn all we like, decreasing his vote share and managing to hold Labour strongholds isn't going to win him a majority.
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