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Post by sirfredperry on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 10:26 am

Chance for Andy to get some wins at Barcelona, although, of course, Rafa must be favourite. There had been talk of Murray playing Budapest, but he's opted for the Spanish city.
I expect Rafa to go on one of his old-fashioned tears thru the clay-court season now, culminating with another French crown (yes, I know I always pick him every year).

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Post by Guest82 on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 12:31 pm

Would expect Murray to be untroubled until QF at the earliest - Brown/Tomic > Garcia-Lopez/F Lopez. Could play Ramos-Vinolas again in QF. Thiem has potential on clay, so a tough semi-final, but is mentally very weak.

Rafa could play Alex Zverev again in QF.

Pretty sure Rafa will win Barcelona to be honest.

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Post by sirfredperry on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 12:43 pm

Solid straight-sets win today by Kyle E over Jeremy Chardy.

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Post by Guest82 on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 3:06 pm

Good win for Evans against Thiago Montero. Was 4-0 down in the final set too.

Albert Montanes, now ranked over 300, is serving for the match against GGL.

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Post by Guest on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 6:44 pm

That was Dan Evans first clay court win at ATP Tour level, winning 6-7 6-2 7-6.  He is certainly putting the effort into it to maintain his ranking in the top 50. Edmund had less trouble winning his match. Maybe his narrow loss to Rafael Nadal in Monte Carlo has given him confidence.

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Post by Guest82 on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 3:47 pm

Edmund well beaten by Thiem.

Think Evans can beat Mischa Zverev though.

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Post by Guest on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 5:46 pm

And Evans wins only his second ATP Tour clay court match beating 14th seed M Zverev 6-4 6-4

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 6:33 pm

No name Bertie wrote:And Evans wins only his second ATP Tour clay court match beating 14th seed M Zverev 6-4 6-4

A very good win that and useful ranking points as well.
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Post by sirfredperry on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:27 am

Raining in Barcelona but at least Murray is thru as Tomic pulls out.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:39 am

sirfredperry wrote:Raining in Barcelona but at least Murray is thru as Tomic pulls out.

Not good on both fronts. Murray needs all the matches he can get and hopefully the rain relents.
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Post by lags72 on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 1:38 pm

I get the impression (and it IS just an impression .....I've never bothered to actually check any official past data) that Tomic has an unusually high number of withdrawals/retirements, for one reason or another.

But perhaps I'm being unfair on the guy. Any thoughts ......?

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Post by sirfredperry on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 5:13 pm

lags72 wrote:I get the impression (and it IS just an impression .....I've never bothered to actually check any official past data) that Tomic has an unusually high number of withdrawals/retirements, for one reason or another.

But perhaps I'm being unfair on the guy. Any thoughts ......?

Not sure you are being unfair, in that I can also recall a number of withdrawals and retirements. I think nearly everyone plays with some sort of niggle or other, but may be Tomic likes to only turn out if he's feeling 100%.
Rafa heading for victory in his match today.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 6:00 pm

lags72 wrote:I get the impression (and it IS just an impression .....I've never bothered to actually check any official past data) that Tomic has an unusually high number of withdrawals/retirements, for one reason or another.

But perhaps I'm being unfair on the guy. Any thoughts ......?

No you are not being unfair as soon as I saw he had withdrawn my first thought was Not again !!

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Post by lags72 on Thu 27 Apr 2017, 12:26 am

Thanks for responses guys.

I'm currently spending a little time in Australia, and safe to say that Tomic is not seen as any sort of sporting hero out here (not even remotely ......)

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Post by Guest82 on Thu 27 Apr 2017, 11:08 am

lags72 wrote:I get the impression (and it IS just an impression .....I've never bothered to actually check any official past data) that Tomic has an unusually high number of withdrawals/retirements, for one reason or another.

But perhaps I'm being unfair on the guy. Any thoughts ......?

I think he withdrew from a match recently because it was too hot. He also gave a famous answer about being worth 10 million dollars so not being bothered.

He's a bit of a clown. Shame, as he has ability.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Thu 27 Apr 2017, 11:52 am

The modern day Australian players have a different attitude to tennis than their predecessors.
Thinking of Laver, Roach, Rosewall, Emmerson Newcombe and the likes .. then came Hewitt .. all gone to pot since then. I'm sure there must be a wealth of potential talentedl tennis players in Australia. Mind set seems to be the problem

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Post by Henman Bill on Thu 27 Apr 2017, 3:59 pm

Interesting the selection of players that chose to play Barcelona. A lot of up and coming young players and others that are good to watch. I'd be paying for a ticket if I lived in Barcelona.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 27 Apr 2017, 6:41 pm

Andy Murray up and running with a 6-4 6-4 win over Feliciano Lopez in the Third Round in Barcelona. Some things worked well, some not so well but the more court time he gets the better and he can only do that by winning matches. Next up he could face Ramos-Vinolas (who beat him last week) or Bautista-Agut.
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Post by Nadalnation on Thu 27 Apr 2017, 8:13 pm

I really don't understand why Rafa continues to play Barcelona. He should just focus on the clay masters tournaments. He should take a leaf from Federer playbook and reduce the risk of burnout and injury by cutting down on these unnecessary tournaments.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Thu 27 Apr 2017, 9:03 pm

Nadalnation wrote:I really don't understand why Rafa continues to play Barcelona. He should just focus on the clay masters tournaments. He should take a leaf from Federer playbook and reduce the risk of burnout and injury by cutting down on these unnecessary tournaments.

You really don't understand do you.. a chance to play in his own country to his own people is something he loves. The Spanish have little other chance of seeing their hero play...its about his giving back.. hence the court that has been named after him an incredible honour for an active player

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Post by lags72 on Thu 27 Apr 2017, 10:49 pm

Yes, H-n, that's exactly why Rafa plays Barcelona, and indeed loves doing so OK

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Post by Born Slippy on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 7:50 am

He should drop Rome or Madrid instead then surely? Playing 5 clay events, particularly if he does well in all of them, is very tough.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 8:11 am

It has always been the argument that he should drop Rome because of the altitude ...he will not drop Madrid... the capital of his country you must be joking.
Now that he is finding his form again and on the surface that he loves it will be hard to persuade him to drop any of the clay events however wise we think it would be to do so imo. He has an opportunity to make a kill and he probably will take it. Rolling Eyes A cussed Spaniard Wink

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Post by Born Slippy on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 8:32 am

Obviously it's his choice but, for a player with a record of injuries/burnout during a season, he's playing an awful lot. By the end of RG, he is scheduled to have played 10 tournaments and hasn't had many early exits. The smart move would probably be to skip the grass season and come back for one of the masters before the US Open.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 8:46 am

BS you and I will agree on that, it is common sense .. but lets not forget Rafa is a Spaniard they (seriously and I have years of experience) do NOT think like that..as I say love em as I do they can be very cussed doing everything their way or not at all. They have a different mind set

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Post by sirfredperry on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 12:43 pm

Bedene - on a hot streak at the moment - has just beaten Karlovic to reach the semis in Budapest. He was quite lowly ranked just a few weeks ago but is climbing fast.

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Post by Nadalnation on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 2:30 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:
Nadalnation wrote:I really don't understand why Rafa continues to play Barcelona. He should just focus on the clay masters tournaments. He should take a leaf from Federer playbook and reduce the risk of burnout and injury by cutting down on these unnecessary tournaments.

You really don't understand do you.. a chance to play in his own country to his own people is something he loves. The Spanish have little other chance of seeing their hero play...its about his giving back.. hence the court that has been named after him an incredible honour for an active player

He has Madrid which he always plays. He's played so many tournaments already (half a season and we're not out of April yet). This is very likely to end badly with injury. Sometimes I question Rafa decision making.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 2:35 pm

Ive already given you the reasons above.. it really is down to him and he will live with the consequences of his choices ... as ALL of us do. He would have been hard pushed not to have played Barcelona when they have just named a court after him. Question his decisions as a player . but not as a man

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Post by Belovedluckyboy on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 3:20 pm

I do feel Rafa is playing a bit more aggressive now and playing shorter points, not grinding; hence I feel he can avoid injuries (he's fit and healthy so far this season).

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 3:23 pm

OK thumbsup

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Post by Nadalnation on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 3:43 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:Ive already given you the reasons above.. it really is down to him and he will live with the consequences of his choices ... as ALL of us do. He would have been hard pushed not to have played Barcelona when they have just named a court after him. Question his decisions as a player . but not as a man

I'm talking about his tennis scheduling. What are you talking about with all this man stuff?

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Post by Nadalnation on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 3:47 pm

It's pretty obvious that playing 4 clay tourneys + the FO + a grass warm up + Wimbledon in the space of less than 3 months is a recipe for disaster. With all the injury problems he's had in the past you'd think they schedule more smartly not just to finish the season but also to prolong his career.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 3:57 pm

For God's sake stop thinking like whatever YOUR nationality is and try thinking like a Spaniard.. there is nothing and I mean nothing more important to them than loyalty.. to country, to fans, to family... that comes first. I live amongst Spaniards and have done for 17 years... the trouble with expats here is they still want England (with sunshine) .. it is no use you thinking that Rafa thinks like you do whether you think it sensible or not.. Have you even read his book. If he has to chose between his country, his fans before his tennis he will do so.... the thing we have learned is you accept it.. be a fan of Rafa but understand him as a man.. Barcelona is miles away from Madrid he thinks he owes it to his Spanish fans sod his scheduling for goodness sake get your head round that and then say you are a Rafa fan

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 4:29 pm

Meanwhile, a fine fighting performance from Murray against one of the in-form clay court specialists in Ramos-Vanolas to win in three sets as he looks to regain match sharpness.
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Post by sirfredperry on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 4:30 pm

Murray has just come thru a three-hour marathon against his conqueror of last week, Ramos-Vinolas. Only seen the stats, which show that both were broken twice in a long final set and that Andy had to ward off five BPs in the second set before levelling the match. Thiem awaits in the semi.
Meanwhile Bedene will play another qualifier in his semi in Budapest so must have a great chance to reach the final

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Post by Nadalnation on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 4:45 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:For God's sake stop thinking like whatever YOUR nationality is and try thinking like a Spaniard.. there is nothing and I mean nothing more important to them than loyalty.. to country, to fans, to family... that comes first. I live amongst Spaniards and have done for 17 years... the trouble with expats here is they still want England (with sunshine) .. it is no use you thinking that Rafa thinks like you do whether you think it sensible or not.. Have you even read his book. If he has to chose between his country, his fans before his tennis he will do so.... the thing we have learned is you accept it.. be a fan of Rafa but understand him as a man.. Barcelona is miles away from Madrid he thinks he owes it to his Spanish fans sod his scheduling for goodness sake get your head round that and then say you are a Rafa fan

Why don't you take a deep breath and make a cup of tea and then allow people to post their views without jumping down their throats.

That's how a discussion normally works.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 5:13 pm

O f.....................orget it... go post your views on Rafa's website I'm sure he would be appreciative of your coaching... how the hell he managed to get where he is without your help beggars belief... So you go take a deep breath and ask yourself if you are truly a Rafa fan.. Shocked

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Post by sirfredperry on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 5:24 pm

Any way. Back to the tennis. Murray was very close to defeat in the second set serving at 4-4, 0-40. Then in the final set R-V served for the match at 5-4 but didn't get it. Murray should have won last week but lost and it looks as if R-V should have won today...but lost.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 5:34 pm

sirfredperry wrote:Any way. Back to the tennis. Murray was very close to defeat in the second set serving at 4-4, 0-40. Then in the final set R-V served for the match at 5-4 but didn't get it. Murray should have won last week but lost and it looks as if R-V should have won today...but lost.

Did think Andy was in for an early shower at the beginning of that match.. though RV played his socks off , literally I think, looked like he had blisters shame really... however Andy came through on a wing and a prayer.. so onwards and upwards

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Post by Nadalnation on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 5:50 pm

Rafa takes the first set 7-6 against chung

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Post by Guest on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 5:56 pm

sirfredperry wrote:Any way. Back to the tennis. Murray was very close to defeat in the second set serving at 4-4, 0-40. Then in the final set R-V served for the match at 5-4 but didn't get it. Murray should have won last week but lost and it looks as if R-V should have won today...but lost.
Hopefully this is the match that sees Murray getting back to top form with Roland Garros and the grass season not too far away. He will also be turning thirty in two weeks - but that doesn't seem to be much of a barrier that it once was.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 5:56 pm

Have never seen Chung playing a full match before and I have to say that I am quite impressed..he is certainly one to watch imo

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Post by Henman Bill on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 6:18 pm

Yes unfortunate for Rafa the way the season works you don't want to skip Rome and have several weeks out before the FO. But neither do you want to skip a home tournament.

Barcelona may be a 500 but it's one of the best 500s (lot of history) and Madrid is one of the lower 1000s so its not neccessarily Barcelona the one you would skip. Looking at it there is a week in between Barcelona and Madrid (I didn't realize that) so might be OK.

However skipping Barcelona probably is a smart move because then you play a tournament then have a full rest week.

I think if Rafa were to lose early in Madrid that would not be a bad thing.

To win Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome and lose Madrid second or third round would be a perfect build up.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 6:23 pm

I know what you are saying HB and it all makes sense.. but at the risk of repeating myself this is not how Rafa thinks..if anyting I think Uncle T would have wanted him to skip Rome.. but his Spanish commitment is not negotiable I fear .. he loves playing both Barcelona and Madrid.
We don't get much other tennis here in Spain and these two tournaments are very important to the Spanish tennis lovers and to Rafa..just listen to that crowd

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Post by Guest on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 6:47 pm

Maybe Nadal should skip the grass season?  He hasn't done well on grass for about five years - with grass he says there is a lot of bending at the knee and positional readjustments.

In Barcelona I am hoping for a Nadal v Murray final but Thiem seems to be playing very well so no guarantee Murray will get pass Thiem.

Just remembered Nadal saying he will play at Queens this year - so he is going to give the grass season his best shot.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 6:59 pm

My gut instinct is to say that Rafa feels he has found form and he does not know how long that will last.. with the "end" of Uncle T is this a new beginning or is it the end .. Wink ?making hay whilst the sun shines because he wont make old bones like Fed imo. I am probably barking up the wrong tree or even in the wrong forest..only HE knows

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Post by Guest on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 7:07 pm

In the past the clay court specialists used to skip Wimbledon and maybe the whole grass season.  They said it was a reaction against Wimbledon's seeding policy - but the switchover from clay to grass represents a dramatic change in conditions.  I hope Nadal is able to end his career still healthy rather than through injury.  Before all his serious knee problems it was looking like Nadal was going to conquer the grass - he did conquer grass but it didn't last long. His matches with Roger Federer in three successive Wimbledon finals - when Federer was at his best - well they are etched into the history of the sport.  There was a period of 6 years when apart from one year absent he was in five finals winning two of them.  He had seen off Roger Federer but not a resurgent Djokovic.  Then in 2012 it all fell away with a shock defeat by Rosol in the second round - but Nadal indicated not everything was physically right with him.


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Post by Haddie-nuff on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 7:15 pm

Yes I think every player has one surface that becomes their nemesis .. it must be every players dream to be able to have equal success on all three. Though its true to say  Novak has had a pretty good run..Ive  always thought though that Rafa's really big problem was indoor h.c. hence his inability, as yet, to win the WTF.  He has had success both at Queens and Wimbledon so it isn't beyond reach for him to do it again.  However I would love to see him win the WTF to complete his trophy cabinet before he retires.

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Post by Nadalnation on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 7:36 pm

No name Bertie wrote:Maybe Nadal should skip the grass season?  He hasn't done well on grass for about five years - with grass he says there is a lot of bending at the knee and positional readjustments.

In Barcelona I am hoping for a Nadal v Murray final but Thiem seems to be playing very well so no guarantee Murray will get pass Thiem.

Just remembered Nadal saying he will play at Queens this year - so he is going to give the grass season his best shot.

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Nadalnation wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:Maybe Nadal should skip the grass season?  He hasn't done well on grass for about five years - with grass he says there is a lot of bending at the knee and positional readjustments.

In Barcelona I am hoping for a Nadal v Murray final but Thiem seems to be playing very well so no guarantee Murray will get pass Thiem.

Just remembered Nadal saying he will play at Queens this year - so he is going to give the grass season his best shot.

Play Barcelona and miss Wimbledon
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Are you a troll nadalnation?  The two things are not connected - Barcelona and Wimbledon.  So far you have exhibited no nous in your comments. Instead you seem to be quick to attack the intelligence of posters rather than presenting sustainable arguments or counter-arguments.  I shall repeat again - I preferred you when you were lurking.

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