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Post by sirfredperry on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 10:26 am

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Chance for Andy to get some wins at Barcelona, although, of course, Rafa must be favourite. There had been talk of Murray playing Budapest, but he's opted for the Spanish city.
I expect Rafa to go on one of his old-fashioned tears thru the clay-court season now, culminating with another French crown (yes, I know I always pick him every year).

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 4:30 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:Never count chickens.. nothing is over until that big fat lady sings Smile

Here come Subo. laughing Wink
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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 4:35 pm

Seeing some lovely vintage Rafa stuff ..;but heh I'm a lady in waiting lol Smile

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 4:49 pm

That is why he is called the King of Clay.. he takes no prisoners when he is in that mood
clap I wish he had been playing Djoko... well done Rafa

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Post by Guest82 on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 4:50 pm

That was really impressive from Rafa. Best I've seen him play since 2014.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 7:16 pm

For those who question why Rafa plays Barcelona.. and I lay ten to a penny he feels the same about Madrid

"I'm very satisfied. It's been an emotional day for me. Playing in front of my crowd and my club and winning a 10th title here is something that's impossible to even dream of. It's very special and unique,” said Nadal. “I played my best match of the tournament this afternoon against probably the toughest opponent in the tournament, so I'm very happy."

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Post by summerblues on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 7:21 pm

Guest82 wrote:That was really impressive from Rafa.  Best I've seen him play since 2014.
I agree.  Today was the first time this year when I thought he was close to how he used to play.  I would still say not quite as good as back then, but not that far off.

The match was a very traditional Rafa affair.  Whenever Thiem was trying to hit through him, Rafa would soak up the pressure and wait until Thiem either missed or gave him an opening to take control of the rally.  There were also plenty of high bouncing shots to Thiem's BH.  Seeing that his plan A was not working, by second set Thiem was frustrated and was going for way too much, and consequently missing too much.

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 10:20 pm

The Spanish geezer is pretty decent on clay...10 trophies at Monte Carlo and Barcelona I doff my cap

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Post by timex please on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 11:04 pm

Amazing achievement 2 x 10 titles in the last few weeks.  I didn't see today's match, but whether or not Nadal is playing as consistently brilliantly as he once did on clay, I don't think there is anyone playing any better - la decima at RG looks to be a formality.

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Post by lydian on Mon 01 May 2017, 1:32 am

Vamos Rafa... Smile
Not sure about RG being a formality though...tennis is a very unpredictable game.
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Post by summerblues on Mon 01 May 2017, 2:17 am

timex please wrote:la decima at RG looks to be a formality.
Oh dear I hope not.

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Post by Henman Bill on Tue 02 May 2017, 6:38 pm

I think Nadalnation was treated a bit harshly. I didn't see anything that awful, seemed to have been rather ganged up on for not being part of the crowd. Seemed to be getting abused as much as giving abuse.

May or may not be some trolling or some multiple IDs going on - but you have got to give the benefit of the doubt to start with. I think that however this was a case of the mob dishing out a guilty verdict and throwing someone out of the door before all the facts were really in.


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Post by temporary21 on Tue 02 May 2017, 7:01 pm

people are tired of being insulted. He insulted or tried to insult almost everyone. Derailing threads and slagging off the forum

I apologise if I seem unsympathetic

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Post by summerblues on Thu 04 May 2017, 3:20 am

I am in a rather strong agreement with HB on this one (the only caveat being that there is some chance I may have missed an early offending post from Nadalnation).  Nadalnation was posting normal posts and then was attacked out of the blue.  Looking at all his/her posts, this is what now shows up as his/her first 7 posts:

Nadalnation wrote:Hello
Nadalnation wrote:I think rafa is the favourite
Then novak then Roger then Stan.
I don't give Murray any chance of winning RG.
Nadalnation wrote:Don't think rafa will be winning much on clay this year. He's lost his bottle. Zverev gonna beat him I reckon
Nadalnation wrote:Rafa destroying zverev. This looks like the old Rafa finally. Hope he can keep it up.
Murray was never a real number one and we know he's rubish on clay
Nadalnation wrote:This must be the end for her. She'll be close to 37 if/when she plans to come back.
Nadalnation wrote:I'd like to ask why I was banned for 3 days. I expressed an opinion. I didn't fight with anyone or break any rules so why was I banned?
Nadalnation wrote:Is it a banning offense to suggest that Murray is below par for number one. There are lots of people who hold that opinion. Is this how you treat new members here?
What an absolute disgrace. A's a longtime lurker I thought I'd take the plunge but now my reservations have been confirmed.
Up to this point it strikes me as very uneventful and - presumably and hopefully - the 3 day ban was in error.  The last quote was followed up with this:

No name Bertie wrote:
Nadalnation wrote:Is it a banning offense to suggest that Murray is below par for number one. There are lots of people who hold that opinion. Is this how you treat new members here?

What an absolute disgrace. A's a longtime lurker I thought I'd take the plunge but now my reservations have been confirmed.
Hi nadal nation, rather than whining like a child just get on with it like a mature adult.   If you are really interested in tennis your comments will show this.  If you are just interested in winding people up with unnecessary childish remarks about a player - your comments will show this too.  Respect your fellow posters, respect the community and respect the forum. It is not rocket science.
..and after that it went all downhill.  Strikes me as odd to blame it on Nadalnation.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Thu 04 May 2017, 7:24 am

To defend my part in all of this .. as has been pointed out by Temp.. his complaint about being banned may well have been legitimate.. but you don't go into another posters thread (which was intended as a light hearted one) and derail it by complaining. My reply was for him was to open a thread of his own.. or better still, take his grievance to the mods which he should have done in the first place.. he was sarcastic and rude and he got the response he did.. I make no apologies for it. I had no comment to make regarding his opinions about Murry

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Post by temporary21 on Thu 04 May 2017, 9:39 am

At ANY point after that 7th post where he hijacked haddies thread to have a go at the mods and disparage the forum he could have let it go or try to make peace

He didn't. He tried to start a massive drama. Clearly that's his only reason for being here. Remember hawk? No ones interested in that


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Post by JuliusHMarx on Thu 04 May 2017, 9:58 am

I don't think he (or she) had a go at the mods to any great extent. The ban remains a mystery - none of the mods/admins have replied to my question about a ban, and I can't see any posts that were deleted or which may have caused a ban. I can only think that it was some sort of mix-up, so I can see why he might have got upset.

He couldn't PM me, or perhaps wasn't aware that he could, because he was new to the forum. When I PM'ed him, he was perfectly fine and polite.

Yes, the thread got de-railed and that wasn't the best way to complain about the ban - but lots have threads have got de-railed (like this one!) for one reason or another - and then get back on track. He didn't have a go at anyone personally until after he came under fire himself (not from H_N, I should point out). So I think HB pretty much got it right.

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Post by temporary21 on Thu 04 May 2017, 10:59 am

In any case what's the point in bringing this up exactly? Do you want people to be reprimanded?
Nobody is a saint of course but he gave as good as he got. If he really was a long time lurker then he knew what he was doing

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Thu 04 May 2017, 11:45 am

In fairness JHM whilst I realise you are not having a go at me I should point out that I repeated my request for him to leave that thread alone and start one of his own or report to the mods; so at that point he did know ,but nonetheless persisted.. Now Ive said that I'm leaving this subject alone because frankly I see no mileage for anyone to pursue it.. its done move on

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Post by Guest on Thu 04 May 2017, 5:47 pm

I came here to the tennis forum to comment on the Istanbul Open, in particular Bedene's narrow loss to Raonic 6-7 (5-7) 6-3 7-6 (7-3) and to say - I think Bedene's on the charge up the rankings and I think he is going to surge past Evans and Edmund to better his career high ranking of 45. He said he was thinking about quitting tennis after all the shenanigans surrounding his attempt to represent Britain in the Davis Cup.

Not seeing a general tennis thread I post it here.

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Post by Guest on Thu 04 May 2017, 5:56 pm

Then I saw summerblues presentation of Nadalnation comments.  Summerblues infers that I "attacked" Nadalnation "out of the blue" after Nadalnation had posted seven comments - saying it all "goes downhill" following my "attack" and sort of leaves it all in the air there.

My whining like a child comment I think was fair at the time and it was followed by helpful advice in the same comment.  It came after Haddie-nuff asked that he take his complaint off the thread - but rather than do this Nadalnation made some general statement indicating everyone here was badly treating him as a new member, it being a disgrace, his reservations being confirmed and so forth.  The manner of that comment of Nadalnation, in response to being asked to take his complaint off the thread was what I described as "whining like a child".  

However if summerblues wishes to stick to the interpretation that this represents an "attack out of the blue" then fine.  If Henman Bill wishes to agree with that interpretation then that is fine too.

I personally have no problem with summerblues and Henman Bill continuing to examine what took place into the "downhill" section.  It could prove enlightening as I have an interest in social theory - and this is an example of a social incident.

Finally I would like to say that whatever happened I agree with temporary21 comment that Nadalnation "gave as good as he got".

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Post by Henman Bill on Fri 05 May 2017, 12:22 am

I don't agree that he was whining like a child but even if it's fair comment, that doesn't mean you have to make it. Sometimes it's better to disagree more politely and make your point equally effectively without reporting to a cheap insult. It may be the difference between peace and war.

I don't think summerblues or myself is blaming you for all of it though. You did get a bit feisty but then so did others and so have I and most of us on the odd occassion.

Sometimes there isn't any wisdom in crowds.

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Post by Guest on Fri 05 May 2017, 12:47 am

I did assume he had been banned for something or other, but I don't think that affected my judgement.  That's why I made general comment after I mentioned stop whining like a child.  I didn't think that was an insult, I thought it was reasonable and fair.  But ultimately it is for others to judge because it is difficult to judge the effect one has on others - that's why it is important to keep talking - and for others to feel free to critique others.  But we are all adults and so is nadalnation.  It seemed like he had a few issues and I did suggest he practise socialising more.  Sometimes if someone has issues you have to get them to face those issues - which they don't do if you yield all the time.

To add - when you join a new community - so you are a new member joining an established clique or social group - you normally have to be on your best behaviour, and most respectful, so as not to peeve people off. If you look at nadalnations comments - all of them - he gets pretty demanding of this community, pretty quickly. He also is very quick to rubbish Andy Murray. As a newby to the forum that is perhaps not the best way to start. Same for any other situation of one person wanting to join an existing established group.

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Post by timex please on Sat 06 May 2017, 10:00 am

The people who get 'peeved off' have a responsibility too - just let it go already!!!!!! It is a forum, not an exclusive club.





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