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Post by sirfredperry on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 10:26 am

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Chance for Andy to get some wins at Barcelona, although, of course, Rafa must be favourite. There had been talk of Murray playing Budapest, but he's opted for the Spanish city.
I expect Rafa to go on one of his old-fashioned tears thru the clay-court season now, culminating with another French crown (yes, I know I always pick him every year).

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Post by Nadalnation on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 8:21 pm

Lol what a sensitive bunch.

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Post by Guest on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 8:26 pm

Nadalnation wrote:Lol what a sensitive bunch.
You are the sensitive type - resorting to questioning the intelligence of a poster rather than engaging in any form of counter-argument. Combine this with an aggressive attitude and voila we have the makings of an anti-social individual.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 9:15 pm

Well whether he is sensible or not ... this is the rest of his year schedule. barring sickness or injury of course.
Barcelona, Spain (April 24 – 30)

MAY & JUNE:

Madrid, Spain (May 7 – 14)

Rome, Italy (May 14 – 21)

Roland Garros (May 28 – June 11)

JUNE:

Queens, UK (June 19 – 25)

JULY:

Wimbledon (July 3 – 16)

AUGUST & SEPTEMBER:

Montreal, Canada (August 7 – 13)

Cincinnati, USA (August 13 – 20)

US Open (August 28 – September 10)

OCTOBER:

Beijing, China (October 2 – 8)

Shanghai, China (October 8 -15)

Basel, Switzerland (October 23 – 29)

Paris, France (October 30 – November 5)

NOVEMBER:

ATP World Tour Finals, London – needs to qualify (November 12 – 19)



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Post by Nadalnation on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 10:39 pm

No name Bertie wrote:
Nadalnation wrote:Lol what a sensitive bunch.
You are the sensitive type - resorting to questioning the intelligence of a poster rather than engaging in any form of counter-argument.   Combine this with an aggressive attitude and voila we have the makings of an anti-social individual.

Wow, you know psycho babble too. Fab.

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Post by Nadalnation on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 10:44 pm

Thanks Haddie

That's pretty much his standard schedule injuries permitting.

With the allowable exemptions from the Atp I think he should omit one of Montreal or cincinatti (probably the latter), take out BasEl and possibly also Beijing.

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Post by Guest on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 8:08 am

Nadalnation wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
Nadalnation wrote:Lol what a sensitive bunch.
You are the sensitive type - resorting to questioning the intelligence of a poster rather than engaging in any form of counter-argument.   Combine this with an aggressive attitude and voila we have the makings of an anti-social individual.

Wow, you know psycho babble too. Fab.
Nadalnation you are clearly a seasoned troll.  

I am having a civil conversation with another poster when you jump in, pick out two items from one of my posts and then throw in an ad hominem at me.  You took the two items out of context, offered no explanation or argument as to the point you were trying to make, and then added a cheap ad hominem expressed in the negative in an ironic deprecatory style.  

When I replied to your personal attack, you then cry that everyone here was too sensitive - revealing yourself to be egocentric and lacking discernment (derived from you lumping together "everyone" as being "sensitive"). This response also revealed yourself to be childishly sensitive.  An adult approach would have been to produce a counter-argument as well as an elaboration of your original comment (the thing I was addressing).

Now you have only had 22 posts but already you have attacked personally several posters and then cried "you're sensitive" when posters respond.  You also had a moaning whinge at the forum for "banning you" for three days.  Although the moderators have since clarified this was not intended.

Now there are four ways this can all end.
a) You are banned (sooner or later)
b) You kill the forum (regulars stop posting)
c) A combination of a and b.
d) You grow up (behavioural studies indicate this is unlikely).

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 8:26 am

Ive just one thing to add to that very succinct advice thumbsup

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Post by temporary21 on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 11:19 am

It's amazing how you can annoy almost an entire forum in just 22 posts. I think it's beaten my record

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 12:43 pm

temporary21 wrote:It's amazing how you can annoy almost an entire forum in just 22 posts. I think it's beaten my record


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Andy out on court to take on Dominic Thiem in the Barcelona Open semi-final. Best of luck Andy. thumbsup
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Post by Guest on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 12:48 pm

I might be wrong calling nadalnation a seasoned troll.  It might be a character issue.  Seasoned trolls are usually quite artful, whereas nadalnation acts rather like a bull in a china shop.  Although he is not a bull - he is more like an arrogant child.

Anyway back to normal proceedings - Dominic Thiem and Andy Murray should be a very good match.  Thiem seems to be in good form and is something of a clay court specialist.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 12:57 pm

Good luck Andy .. though Thiem is a tricky youngster I have to say. Andy needs to be his best here I think

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Post by LuvSports! on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 1:17 pm

Thiem has been disappointing this year. I hope he can win here as he needs wins against the top guys. Best time to play Andy.

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Post by Guest on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 1:27 pm

LuvSports! wrote:Thiem has been disappointing this year. I hope he can win here as he needs wins against the top guys. Best time to play Andy.
Thiem wins the first set 6-2.

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Post by Guest on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 2:17 pm

With a tremendous amount of effort Murray, overcoming various break points on his serve, wins the second set 6-3.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 2:18 pm

Credit to Andy he had to dig deep there.. and he pulled the rabbit out of the hat.
Has he turned the corner in this match ?

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Post by Born Slippy on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 2:21 pm

Murray breaks at the start of the third as Thiem continues to self-implode. Interesting test of both their concentration now.

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Post by Guest on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 2:47 pm

Ebbs and flows - Thiem breaks Murray's serve to go 4-2 up in final set.

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Post by Guest on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 2:51 pm

Murray breaks back so he is back on serve in the final set at 3-4.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 2:56 pm

Wing and a Prayer comes to mind angel

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Post by Guest on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 2:57 pm

Murray holds serve 4-4 final set. Nail-biting stuff.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 3:00 pm

The turning of the screw Wink

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Post by Guest on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 3:02 pm

Thiem holds his own serve to edge ahead 5-4 in final set. Big service game for Murray coming up.

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Post by LuvSports! on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 3:07 pm

THIIIEEEEMMMM!

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 3:08 pm

Played Thiem and hard lines Muzza. However, a decent little run out in Barcelona and some points in the bank and hints of returning to form but it is Dominic's day.
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Post by Guest on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 3:08 pm

Thiem wins 6-2 3-6 6-4.  Good exercise for Murray (this was an extra tournament for him) while Thiem marches on. Maybe Thiem is a future French Open champion.

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 3:15 pm

Murray continues to show he's no more than a con artist world #1. Fluking Wimbledon against a loser like Raonic. Murray is a loser

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 3:24 pm

NNB if you are looking for a troll look no further than Jermaine...

The jury is out for me regarding Thiem .. if he can beat Rafa on clay then he is in with a chance for the FO


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Post by LuvSports! on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 3:28 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:NNB if you are looking for a troll look no further than Jermaine...

The jury is out for me regarding Thiem .. if he can beat Rafa on clay then he is in with a chance for the FO


He did beat Rafa last year. Does that mean he is in with a shout?

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 3:31 pm

Not on clay me thinks ?

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Post by LuvSports! on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 3:32 pm

Buenos Aires in 3 sets.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 3:35 pm

Ahhh well wont argue with that other than to say Rafa is a different animal this year...so we will wait and see.  But hey this is tennis... and we all know EVERYONE is in with a shout Novak has proved the point

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Re: Barcelona/Budapest

Post by Haddie-nuff on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 3:53 pm

2016   ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo  
Monaco    Outdoor Clay   R16   Rafael Nadal  
75 63  

2016   Buenos Aires  
Argentina    Outdoor Clay   SF   Dominic Thiem  
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2014   Roland Garros  
France    Outdoor Clay   R64   Rafael Nadal  
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Its a bit of a moot point though eh ? And over 5 sets Whistle

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Post by temporary21 on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 4:33 pm

You have to wonder the age of some of these people. What exactly do they think they're achieving? Is their lives soo devoid of relevance that this is worth their time?

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Post by Guest on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 6:02 pm

Nadal breezes into the final beating Zeballos 6-3 6-4.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 6:24 pm

For another 10th Tournament Title.. Fingers Crossed

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Post by Nadalnation on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 6:46 pm

No name Bertie wrote:
Nadalnation wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
Nadalnation wrote:Lol what a sensitive bunch.
You are the sensitive type - resorting to questioning the intelligence of a poster rather than engaging in any form of counter-argument.   Combine this with an aggressive attitude and voila we have the makings of an anti-social individual.

Wow, you know psycho babble too. Fab.
Nadalnation you are clearly a seasoned troll.  

I am having a civil conversation with another poster when you jump in, pick out two items from one of my posts and then throw in an ad hominem at me.  You took the two items out of context, offered no explanation or argument as to the point you were trying to make, and then added a cheap ad hominem expressed in the negative in an ironic deprecatory style.  

When I replied to your personal attack, you then cry that everyone here was too sensitive - revealing yourself to be egocentric and lacking discernment (derived from you lumping together "everyone" as being "sensitive"). This response also revealed yourself to be childishly sensitive.  An adult approach would have been to produce a counter-argument as well as an elaboration of your original comment (the thing I was addressing).

Now you have only had 22 posts but already you have attacked personally several posters and then cried "you're sensitive" when posters respond.  You also had a moaning whinge at the forum for "banning you" for three days.  Although the moderators have since clarified this was not intended.

Now there are four ways this can all end.
a) You are banned (sooner or later)
b) You kill the forum (regulars stop posting)
c) A combination of a and b.
d) You grow up (behavioural studies indicate this is unlikely).

You really have some cheek.

You started the ad hominen attacks on me by calling me childish, immature and a whiner simply because I question why I was banned on an open thread. I did that because I was new to the forum and didn't know to raise such matters. It was a normal reaction to an unusual situation (ie getting banned after 3 posts). You could have advised in a non judgemental manner.

You then have temerity to complain because I responded sarcastically to one post.
I had not even spoken to you prior to that. Temp21, HAddie and others have joined in to hound me even though I've not said anything against any of them. Accusing me of being a troll, of being someone else.

I'm not a very social person. I have a long history of OCD anxiety and severe depression which prevents me from going out too often. I love tennis and decided to join the forum after some time just lurking. I thought it would be a good way to interact with people through a mutual interest. Instead I feel as if I've been bullied and harassed for no reason. I feel angry and shocked by the way I've been treated.

There's horrible gang mentality on here. You can have your wish and I'll leave. I hope you're proud of yourself.

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Post by temporary21 on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 6:53 pm

No you won't. You're clearly here because you want trouble Bet my bottom dollar you'll be back to make more drama

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 7:20 pm

Temp21, HAddie and others have joined in to hound me

Now who has some cheek.. you hijacked my thread which was originally intended for light hearted banter, with your complaining and whinging when you were repeatedly asked to leave and either take your complaint to the mods, (which is what you should have done in the first place) or alternatively open a thread of your own and thrown it into the forum.. not use my thread and then complain because I and others reacted.  If you really wanted to interact with like minded tennis enthusiasts you certainly kicked off on the wrong foot with most if not all of us.  You may have had a legitimate complaint I don't know but you went about it the wrong way .. sarcasm and rudeness to other posters wont win you friends or influence anyone  on this forum

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That way, we can talk about the tennis on the thread, rather than other matters.

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Post by temporary21 on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 8:20 pm

You used my nickname. You shouldn't know that
You're clearly an old poster with an axe to grind

People here aren't interested in that anymore

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Post by Guest on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 11:01 am

Nadalnation wrote: ... You then have temerity to complain because I responded sarcastically to one post ... I'm not a very social person ...
You admit to responding to my post sarcastically and then say I had the TEMERITY to respond?  You need to READ what I said in response to this particular PERSONAL attack of yours to me.  If you are incapable of reading, digesting, engaging with what other people say in response to your posts ... if you are incapable of understanding how others may feel (empathy) - you will never improve your social skills and you will continue to have problems.  

For example - I think on the very first thread you started posting in you aggravated a few people.  Towards the end of that thread a few posters opened up about the depression they have faced.  Yet you totally ignored that and continued to think only from your own perspective (that is what is meant by being egocentric, lacking empathy etc). 

Look, you accept you have an issue in terms of being sociable.  That is good - the first step in overcoming an issue is recognising that there is an issue in the first pace.  The next step is to LISTEN to what people say to you and LEARN from it.

There are a million and one online debate forums including facebook and social media where you can interact with others to practise and LEARN how to be more sociable.

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Post by sirfredperry on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 11:21 am

Rafa should finish off Thiem today while, in Budapest, Bedene may find it tough against Pouille.
A Rafa win today will, no doubt, increase speculation about his chances of finishing year-end number one. Irrespective of form/fitness he's always going to give the clay-court season his best shot. I know this usually leads to a struggle with burn out towards the end of the season, but why turn down the chance of getting big points on his favourite surface.


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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 11:32 am

Yes I do think that is his thinking. I feel he is pushing his luck regarding  possible injury  but time is not on his side if he wants to get back to where he was. However I wish I were as confident regarding the outcome of today's match.. he really needs to show the aggression he has been showing in these last few matches.. I have no doubt whatsoever that Thiem will not be in awe of him and so its who comes first out of the starting blocks.  In theory Rafa should given Thiem had a long match yesterday, but hey.. he is young and fit so anything can happen

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Post by Belovedluckyboy on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 12:40 pm

Rafa is fit and healthy now; I doubt he would suffer burnt out even if he sweeps up all the big titles on clay this season. The difference this year is that he's playing more aggressive, shorter points tennis even on clay; hardly grinding his way to a win.

In 2013 after coming back from injury, he swept up four titles on clay and losing only one match ie the MC final to Djoko. Imo, he wasn't as aggressive then compared to what he is now; Rafa didn't suffer any burnt out that year after 82 matches and winning ten titles. Though he was younger then, his knees weren't in great conditions after just coming back from knee injury.

I'm hopeful that Rafa will continue to shorten points and save his body from unnecessary grinding, so that he can compete without suffering injury.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 12:49 pm

Rafa is best filling his boots how and when he can. Clay is his nirvana surface so make hay while the sun shines. No point thinking about saving yourself for surfaces less favourable to him such as grass. I mean look at what happened to Roger? Going about his business in the bathroom and slips injuring his back taking him out of the sport long-term. You never knew what is around the corner. Live for today and tomorrow will take care of itself.
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Post by Guest82 on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 2:11 pm

I still don't think Rafa is playing that well. Obviously on clay, with the field being weak for various reasons, him playing ok is enough. He might have another gear if needed.

In theory Thiem has the game and power to trouble Rafa and even win today. This clay season the best player Rafa has beat is Goffin, who mentally checked out after the bad line call. Thiem is still mentally very weak too. I'm expecting Rafa in two close sets, with Thiem having lots of chances.

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Post by Belovedluckyboy on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 2:38 pm

Rafa plays well enough to win. What's impressive about him now is that he need not grind to win. He has a bag full of tricks and using different tricks for different opponents. His matches were/are all relatively short; Thiem OTOH, has to fight hard to win some of his matches. Against a subpar Murray, Thiem almost lost it!

Unless Rafa is nervous and plays horribly in the final, he should be beating this Thiem, in two or three sets.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 2:56 pm

When Rafa plays with intensity and aggression as he has been during this tournament he is able to maintain concentration and keep the rallies short; as BLB says he does have more in his bag of tricks these days and when he is up against a difficult opponent can, for the most part, find the answer. As long as his serving is up to par he has it well within his power to win his tenth crown.

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Post by Guest82 on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 4:08 pm

Thiem broken serving to stay in the set. What a surprise.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 4:15 pm

Never count chickens.. nothing is over until that big fat lady sings Smile

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