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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Tue May 02, 2017 1:02 pm

First topic message reminder :

In response to LondonTiger's Lions' fitness thread, here's my crack at the NZ squad prospects. Any updates appreciated


Updated June 16th
Player Position Notes
Dane Coles Hooker Concussion. Looking unlikely for the Lions now
Codie Taylor Hooker Misfired in the lineouts for the Crusaders vs Lions. Excellent game vs Samoa
Liam Coltman Hooker Injury cover for Coles. Good for the Highlanders vs the Lions. Not selected vs Samoa
Nathan Harris Hooker
Joe Moody Prop Scrum & defence good vs Samoa
Wyatt Crockett Prop
Kane Hames Prop Maori Squad
Owen Franks Prop
Charlie Faumuina Prop
 Jeffrey Toomaga-Allen Prop Not selected
Ofa Tu'ungafasi Prop Backup prop as he can play both sides of the scrum at a pinch
Brodie Retallick Second row 
Sam Whitelock Second row  In good form prior to sitting out a 2 week ban for striking the (Golden) Lions player who took him out in the air
Scott Barrett Second row Back from injury for a good 30 mins off the bench vs Samoa
Luke Romano Second row Has slipped behind Barrett, but playing fairly well
Patrick Tuipolotu Second row Not selected
Jerome Kaino Back row Back from knee surgery & played well vs Samoa
Liam Squire Back row Broken thumb. Due back mid June
Stephen Luatua Back row Not selected
Sam Cane Back row
Ardie Savea Back row Returning to the 'Canes' bench after concussion June3. Has been In imperious form at both 7 & 8
Kieran Read Back row Broken thumb. Due back early June - not expected to play before the 1st test
Luke Whitelock Back row Not selected
Elliot Dixon Back row Released to play for the Maori
Matt Todd Back row Injury cover selection
Akira Ioane Back row Injury cover for Abs, released to play for the Maori
Vaea Fifita  Back row Injury cover for Abs. Good off the bench vs Samoa
Aaron Smith Scrum half
TJ Perenara Scrum half
Tawera Kerr-Barlow Scrum half
 Augustine Pulu Scrum half Not selected
Beauden Barrett Outside half
Aaron Cruden Outside half Missed Samoa test due to leg injury for Chiefs vs Canes
Lima Sopoaga Outside half Hamstring kept him out until mid-May. Average for the Highlanders vs Lions, good off the bench vs Samao
Ryan Crotty Centre Rib cartilage injury. May be back for the 1st test
Anton Lienart-Brown Centre
Sonny Bill Williams Centre
Ngani Laumape Centre Bolter - playing like a young Nonu for the Canes this season
Jack Goodhue Centre Injury Cover for Crotty. Excellent Super Rugby season, had some good moments for the Crusaders vs the Lions
Malikai Fekitoa Centre Not selected
Charlie Ngatai Centre Missed a year of rugby due to concussion. In the Maori squad
George Moala Centre Not selected
Julian Savea Wing Not at his best yet. Normally peaks around August so WIP
Waisake Naholo Wing Excellent for the Highlanders vs the Lions
Nehe Milner-Skudder Wing In the Maori squad
Rieko Ioane Wing Excellent for the Blues vs the Lions
Seta Taminavalu Wing Not selected
James Lowe Wing In the Maori squad
Ben Smith Full back
Israel Dagg Full back
Damien McKenzie Full back In the Maori squad
Jordie Barrett Utility Decent on debut off the bench vs Samoa



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Post by Scottrff on Wed May 24, 2017 11:58 am

mikey_dragon wrote:Which ABs are available to Blues when the Lions touch down in Auckland?

Kaino, SBW, Faumuina, Luatua.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Wed May 24, 2017 12:02 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Which ABs are available to Blues when the Lions touch down in Auckland?
AB's squad won't have assembled so Blues will be full strength.

Kaino may not be fit, otherwise capped AB's in the squad are:
Faumuina, Parsons, Tuipolotu, Luatua, Pulu, SBW, Moala, Ioane, Ranger

Of those, Ranger will miss the ABs squad, as will (probably) Ioane & Tuipolutu. Moala is a possible omission

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Post by mikey_dragon on Wed May 24, 2017 12:56 pm

Tuipolotu, Moala is centre, Iaone a flanker, and Ranger is a wing/centre if I remember rightly? Apart from the obvious ABs I'm not so familiar. Blues look like a very good outfit which is a concern.

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Post by Scottrff on Wed May 24, 2017 12:59 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Tuipolotu, Moala is centre, Iaone a flanker, and Ranger is a wing/centre if I remember rightly? Apart from the obvious ABs I'm not so familiar. Blues look like a very good outfit which is a concern.

Until you compare them with every other team we are playing.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Wed May 24, 2017 1:01 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Tuipolotu, Moala is centre, Iaone a flanker, and Ranger is a wing/centre if I remember rightly? Apart from the obvious ABs I'm not so familiar. Blues look like a very good outfit which is a concern.

Tuipolotu plays lock, Moala, Rieko Ioane & Ranger all play wing/centre. Ioane's brother Akira is the flanker - he's had 7s, Maori* and U20 caps but not ABs.


*Their Dad was capped 5 times by Samoa, their Mum is Maori and played womens rugby for NZ
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Post by BamBam on Wed May 24, 2017 1:02 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Tuipolotu, Moala is centre, Iaone a flanker, and Ranger is a wing/centre if I remember rightly? Apart from the obvious ABs I'm not so familiar. Blues look like a very good outfit which is a concern.

Think he means Reiko Ioane - the insanely talented wing/centre

Akira is the flanker but he's not close to the AB squad

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Post by mikey_dragon on Wed May 24, 2017 2:05 pm

Scottrff wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Tuipolotu, Moala is centre, Iaone a flanker, and Ranger is a wing/centre if I remember rightly? Apart from the obvious ABs I'm not so familiar. Blues look like a very good outfit which is a concern.

Until you compare them with every other team we are playing.

It would just be Crusaders and the ABs who are better, the rest will be without their internationals when playing the Lions. I'm not sure who would feature for the Maori - they had one hell of a team in 2005 though.

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Post by George Carlin on Wed May 24, 2017 7:29 pm

If the Blackness keep up with the loose forward injuries, then surely Luatua is a bolter for the test team?
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Post by Gooseberry on Thu May 25, 2017 6:43 am

Can we slag him off for hanging out on the wing?

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Post by Taylorman on Thu May 25, 2017 7:32 am

Daggs back for the Crusaders this week.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Thu May 25, 2017 12:33 pm

Ben Smith & Lima Sopoaga back this week too
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Post by Taylorman on Thu May 25, 2017 2:34 pm

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:Ben Smith & Lima Sopoaga back this week too

Yes so 9, 10, 15 now back to 3 and 2 deep, both locks are good, now we just need the two loosies...looking better...

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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu May 25, 2017 11:20 pm

Gooseberry wrote:Can we slag him off for hanging out on the wing?

When Luatua came in and took the place of Kaino he was outstanding. It was a bit of a shame he couldn't get in the team when JK returned from Japan. I know this is a reference to what I said about an overhyped Turk player and it's pretty poor. Like I keep saying a flanker needs to do their flanker duties first and anything else is a bonus.

Luatua is going to Bristol right?

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri May 26, 2017 8:53 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:Can we slag him off for hanging out on the wing?

When Luatua came in and took the place of Kaino he was outstanding. It was a bit of a shame he couldn't get in the team when JK returned from Japan. I know this is a reference to what I said about an overhyped Turk player and it's pretty poor. Like I keep saying a flanker needs to do their flanker duties first and anything else is a bonus.

Luatua is going to Bristol right?

Yep Luatua's off to Bristol. On a salary roughly equivalent to some Championship teams' entire squad wage
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:25 am

Updated OP
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Post by BamBam on Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:47 am

When is the NZ squad expected to be named for the Tests

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:40 am

BamBam wrote:When is the NZ squad expected to be named for the Tests

Soon. I can't remember if it's before or after the Crusaders' match though.


Brodie Retallick is out of this week's match vs the 'Canes after suffering headaches - he was kept off the field at the weekend despite passing his HIA as a precaution.

Which means that currently we have the world's best hooker, lock & fullback sidelined by concussion issues. Sigh. Rolling Eyes Crying or Very sad

Time to rely on the depth
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Post by ebop on Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:46 am

Thursday I think
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Post by ebop on Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:47 am

Ben Smith concussed himself by tripping over his own foot. What a goober. Surely he's taking the mickey.
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:48 am

ebop wrote:Ben Smith concussed himself by tripping over his own foot. What a goober. Surely he's taking the mickey.

He headbutted the ground properly hard too.
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:30 pm

Updated OP.
Player ratings from the Samoa test

Player Rating - NZ Herald Rating - Fairfax (Stuff)
Ben Smith 8 8.5
Israel Dagg 7 7
Anton Lienert-Brown 9 8.5
Sonny Bill Williams 7 6.5
Julian Savea 7 7.5
Beauden Barrett 8 8
Aaron Smith 7 7
Ardie Savea 8 7.5
Sam Cane 7 7.5
Jerome Kaino 7 6.5
Sam Whitelock 7 6.5
Brodie Retallick 8 8
Owen Franks 7 6
Codie Taylor 8 7
Joe Moody 8 6
Nathan Harris 7 6
Wyatt Crockett 7 6
Charlie Faumuina 7 6
Scott Barrett 8 7
Vaea Fifita 7 6
TJ Perenara 9 7
Lima Sopoaga 7 6
Jordie Barrett 7 6
Avg rating 7.5 6.9


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11877848
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/93772990/how-the-all-blacks-rated-against-samoa-in-their-first-test-of-the-year
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