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EPCR Champions Cup Final - ASM Clermont Auvergne vs Saracens

Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 May 2017, 12:53 pm

Match Details
Date - Saturday 13th May 2017
Time - 17:00 BST
Location - BT Murrayield Stadium, Edinburgh, Scotland
TV - Sky Sports / BT Sport / beIN Sports / FR2


Officials
Referee - Nigel Owens (Wales)
Touch Judge 1 - George Clancy (Ireland)
Touch Judge 2 - Ian Davies (Wales)
TMO - Jonathan Mason (Wales)
Citing Commissioner - Stefano Marrama (Italy)




Recent European Form:

23/4/17 ASM Clermont 27 - 22 Leinster
2/4/17 ASM Clermont 29 - 9 Toulon
21/1/17 ASM Clermont 48 - 26 Chiefs



Tournament Record:

Played 99
Wins 62
Losses 36
Draws 1
Average Pts Per Game 27
Biggest Win 82 - 0
Heaviest Defeat 6 - 46
Champions 0

Team:

15. Scott Spedding; 14. David Strettle, 13. Aurélien Rougerie, 12. Remi Lamerat, 11. Nick Abendanon; 10. Camille Lopez, 9. Morgan Parra; 1. Raphael Chaume, 2. Benjamin Kayser, 3. Davit Zirakashvili, 4. Arthur Iturria, 5. Sébastien Vahaamahina, 6. Damien Chouly, 7. Peceli Yato, 8. Fritz Lee

16. John Ulugia, 17. Etienne Falgoux, 18. Aaron Jarvis, 19. Paul Jedrasiak, 20. Alexandre Lapandry, 21. Ludovic Radosavljevic , 22. Pato Fernandez, 23. Damian Penaud






Recent European Form:

22/4/17 Munster 10 - 26 Saracens
2/4/17 Saracens 38 - 13 Glasgow
21/1/17 Saracens 10 - 3 Toulon


Tournament Record


Played 81
Wins 56
Losses 24
Draws 1
Average Pts Per Game 27
Biggest Win 71 - 7
Heaviest Defeat 13 - 43
Champions 1


Team:

15. Alex Goode; 14. Chris Ashton, 13. Marcelo Bosch, 12. Brad Barritt, 11. Chris Wyles; 10. Owen Farrell, 9. Richard Wigglesworth; 1. Mako Vunipola, 2. Jamie George, 3. Vincent Koch, 4. Maro Itoje, 5. George Kruis, 6. Michael Rhodes, 7. Jackson Wray, 8. Billy Vunipola

16. Schalk Brits, 17. Titi Lamositele, 18. Petrus du Plessis, 19. Jim Hamilton, 20. Schalk Burger, 21. Ben Spencer, 22. Alex Lozowski, 23. Duncan Taylor

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 12 May 2017, 1:45 pm

Both sides a bit dads army in the backs. Farrell is by far the youngest starter on either side.

Not a massive expert on the French but I can see more obvious star quality through the Saracens 23 which could be the tipping point.



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Post by Ozzy3213 on Fri 12 May 2017, 1:50 pm

Absolutely nothing against Saracens, but I'd love to see ASM win the thing at last.
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Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Fri 12 May 2017, 1:54 pm

I'll be at the game tomorrow, wearing yellow, strictly as a neutral!
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Post by EWT Spoons on Fri 12 May 2017, 1:59 pm

I'm torn on this one.

I'll be at the game and I can't decide who I want to win. Clermont from the underdog (if that even applies here) point of view is an option, or Sarries because of Taylor and Hamilton.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Fri 12 May 2017, 2:08 pm

Clermont have always been my french team. Always supported them and wanted them to do well.

Had Bath been up here I would have been torn. However despite the Scottish contingent of Taylor, Hamilton, Maitland and the legendary (recently retired) Kelly Brown, I want to see ASM win this one.

Hope Kelly does well in his coaching role at Sarries, a future Scottish coach in the making hopefully.
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Post by sensisball on Fri 12 May 2017, 2:13 pm

Actually a lot of young players, forwards and backs in the ASM 23. Iturria (22), Jedrasiak (23), Penaud (20), Falgoux (24). If they are still in the game at the death then I think those youngsters might make the difference between winning and losing.
Interesting move at the end of the Leinster match saw both centres subbed and the replacement 10, Fernandez, playing at 12. He has a great boot and real pace. Penaud, came on at 13,  whilst he is raw defensively ,he has been scoring tries for fun over the last couple of months, running great lines off Lopez and slipping through the smallest of gaps.
A lot will come down to how Nige referees the scrum. If ASM get the edge and Mako has a hard day at the office he wont be as prominent in the loose. Also Clermont's lineout should be the best they have come up against this season (if Kayser's darts are good).
Hope its a cracker and that the yellow machine can do the business.

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 May 2017, 2:20 pm

sensisball wrote:Actually a lot of young players, forwards and backs in the ASM 23. Iturria (22), Jedrasiak (23), Penaud (20), Falgoux (24). If they are still in the game at the death then I think those youngsters might make the difference between winning and losing.

Whilst older in general, I feel the Sarries bench has a lot more quality than the Clermont one.

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Post by sensisball on Fri 12 May 2017, 2:42 pm

Not sure I agree re the bench: I would probably take Brits and Taylor from Sarries but both props and Jedrasiak from ASM bench. I would also go with Rado as a much more experienced 9 than Spencer.
Lapandry is playing really well this season at 7: quick in the loose and good at the breakdown and lineout. I haven't seen anything of Burger, is he is still as quick as he was? Sarries will have more power in the back row but ASM will have more pace. Should be a fascinating match up.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Fri 12 May 2017, 3:01 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Absolutely nothing against Saracens, but I'd love to see ASM win the thing at last.

This. Plus their supporters are something else.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 13 May 2017, 4:04 pm

Best of luck Sarries and their fans, hope you win this thumbsup

Clermont are a good team but I think the only side in Europe capable of countering Sarries is Leinster. Should still be a good game though.
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Post by Blueschief on Sat 13 May 2017, 4:05 pm

Sky 1 are showing it live, you don't need Sky sports.

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Post by BigGee on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:01 pm

Pretty decent crowd at Murrayfield, looks pretty full. They had 24,000 last night for the challenge cup as well.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:03 pm

Cracking start from Sarries, thought Ashton would make it.
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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:15 pm

Yep thought he was in there - Abendanon did well to get across in time ...

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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:16 pm

And now he is in ...

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:16 pm

Say what you like about Ashton but he is a scoring machine. Well done to the lad thumbsup
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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:18 pm

Yep he can be a bit of a plonker at times but I think he gets a bit more stick than he deserves ...

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:18 pm

I wouldn't be too sad to see Ashton crack a rib in his silly little swan dives.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:18 pm

Wigglesworth is also highly under-rated in my opinion.
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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:20 pm

Yep his box kicking is excellent and a key part of Sarries play

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:23 pm

Good job Farrell - that's Halfpenny starting at 15 for the Lions now.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:25 pm

Sarries are simply too good, what a fantastic team. This could get messy for Clermont.
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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:27 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Good job Farrell - that's Halfpenny starting at 15 for the Lions now.

Not sure I follow?

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:27 pm

He missed 2 kicks!

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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:29 pm

Bit harsh maybe - one from the touchline hit the post and one from distance just short ... not sure if wind is a factor too

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:30 pm

Heaf wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:Good job Farrell - that's Halfpenny starting at 15 for the Lions now.

Not sure I follow?

Missing his kicks.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:31 pm

Of course I was being entirely serious with my comment.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:32 pm

of course Smile

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:33 pm

Game on now.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:35 pm

That was a very well worked try. It's amazing, the Sarries have looked impenetrable but Clermont have managed to punch a few holes, while the Saracens just have no weaknesses in their game. Both teams are so far ahead of the rest.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:35 pm

Very much enjoying this final. Both teams going hell for leather thumbsup
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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:36 pm

Hmm...I would have to see the replay of that penalty.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:38 pm

Looked the wrong way to me ... Para clearly messing around on the wrong side

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:39 pm

Heaf wrote:Looked the wrong way to me ... Para clearly messing around on the wrong side

That's what I thought.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:39 pm

Yep - easy 3 points for Sarries lost by Nigel getting it wrong ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:40 pm

The theory that billy vunipola is only about brute force carrying is being severely tested again. Shame the lions can't have 2 8s.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:42 pm

Thought that Wyles was guilty of a little blocking there.
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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:44 pm

You could be right he certainly seemed to be running laterally

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:45 pm

And that was a clear penalty to Clermont...a Sarries player preventing the support arriving at the ruck.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:47 pm

Nigel getting a few wrong both ways so far ...

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:50 pm

Not having his best game is Nigel, some very odd decisions.

Sarries clearly the better team but Clermont are not out of this. Great final.
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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:52 pm

Not sure about that last one either looked like the ball was knocked out of his hands by a player off his feet ....

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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 5:53 pm

But yes great game so far ...

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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 May 2017, 6:18 pm

wow - some try there

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 13 May 2017, 6:19 pm

What a try!

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 13 May 2017, 6:20 pm

Superb try.
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 13 May 2017, 6:23 pm

I agree that should have been a YC there, very lucky for Clermont.
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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 13 May 2017, 6:24 pm

Sorry Nige there had to be a yellow there

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 13 May 2017, 6:24 pm

Incredible that Owens didn't award the YC.

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