EPCR Champions Cup Final - ASM Clermont Auvergne vs Saracens

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri May 12, 2017 12:53 pm

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Match Details
Date - Saturday 13th May 2017
Time - 17:00 BST
Location - BT Murrayield Stadium, Edinburgh, Scotland
TV - Sky Sports / BT Sport / beIN Sports / FR2


Officials
Referee - Nigel Owens (Wales)
Touch Judge 1 - George Clancy (Ireland)
Touch Judge 2 - Ian Davies (Wales)
TMO - Jonathan Mason (Wales)
Citing Commissioner - Stefano Marrama (Italy)




Recent European Form:

23/4/17 ASM Clermont 27 - 22 Leinster
2/4/17 ASM Clermont 29 - 9 Toulon
21/1/17 ASM Clermont 48 - 26 Chiefs



Tournament Record:

Played 99
Wins 62
Losses 36
Draws 1
Average Pts Per Game 27
Biggest Win 82 - 0
Heaviest Defeat 6 - 46
Champions 0

Team:

15. Scott Spedding; 14. David Strettle, 13. Aurélien Rougerie, 12. Remi Lamerat, 11. Nick Abendanon; 10. Camille Lopez, 9. Morgan Parra; 1. Raphael Chaume, 2. Benjamin Kayser, 3. Davit Zirakashvili, 4. Arthur Iturria, 5. Sébastien Vahaamahina, 6. Damien Chouly, 7. Peceli Yato, 8. Fritz Lee

16. John Ulugia, 17. Etienne Falgoux, 18. Aaron Jarvis, 19. Paul Jedrasiak, 20. Alexandre Lapandry, 21. Ludovic Radosavljevic , 22. Pato Fernandez, 23. Damian Penaud






Recent European Form:

22/4/17 Munster 10 - 26 Saracens
2/4/17 Saracens 38 - 13 Glasgow
21/1/17 Saracens 10 - 3 Toulon


Tournament Record


Played 81
Wins 56
Losses 24
Draws 1
Average Pts Per Game 27
Biggest Win 71 - 7
Heaviest Defeat 13 - 43
Champions 1


Team:

15. Alex Goode; 14. Chris Ashton, 13. Marcelo Bosch, 12. Brad Barritt, 11. Chris Wyles; 10. Owen Farrell, 9. Richard Wigglesworth; 1. Mako Vunipola, 2. Jamie George, 3. Vincent Koch, 4. Maro Itoje, 5. George Kruis, 6. Michael Rhodes, 7. Jackson Wray, 8. Billy Vunipola

16. Schalk Brits, 17. Titi Lamositele, 18. Petrus du Plessis, 19. Jim Hamilton, 20. Schalk Burger, 21. Ben Spencer, 22. Alex Lozowski, 23. Duncan Taylor

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Re: EPCR Champions Cup Final - ASM Clermont Auvergne vs Saracens

Post by Heaf on Sat May 13, 2017 6:26 pm

Yes I think Nigel was being a bit lenient as they'd already given an identical penalty away before the try and he was shouting at them for hands away ...

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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:26 pm

Owens is giving Clermont every chance to win this. Pretty poor reffing this half.

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Post by Heaf on Sat May 13, 2017 6:28 pm

He's been making quite a few odd decisions for the whole game IMO ...

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Post by eirebilly on Sat May 13, 2017 6:28 pm

This is seriously close. Sarries need to tighten up here.
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Post by hugehandoff on Sat May 13, 2017 6:29 pm

Agree re Owens.....all the tight calls going Clermonts way

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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:31 pm

How the Frak was that turnover allowed??!!!

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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:32 pm

Sarries need to kick more and hold the ball less, Clermont have worked out that they can slow the ball down on the deck at will and don't look too pressured now.

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Post by Heaf on Sat May 13, 2017 6:34 pm

No way they went forwards for me ... or maybe it did on the replay ...


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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:35 pm

Loving that air horn too

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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:38 pm

Watch him bottle this

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Post by eirebilly on Sat May 13, 2017 6:39 pm

Was certainly not deliberate but the acting from Lopez certainly was.
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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:39 pm

Ffs

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Post by hugehandoff on Sat May 13, 2017 6:39 pm

Fracking hell....give Owens a blue shirt

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat May 13, 2017 6:39 pm

Not sure about that one either - seen many yellows and penalty tries given there

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat May 13, 2017 6:39 pm

Haha surely that is a yellow. Even the playacting by Lopez after should give it away what his intention was.


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Post by BigGee on Sat May 13, 2017 6:40 pm

I disagree, I think he got that one right

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Post by Heaf on Sat May 13, 2017 6:40 pm

Clermont get away with it yet again ... not convinced that wasn't deliberate just because he flipped his wrist up

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat May 13, 2017 6:42 pm

Itoje hasn't had a great game - a few missed tackles and that was an utterly needless penalty

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Post by hugehandoff on Sat May 13, 2017 6:42 pm

his intent/instinct was to stop the try and not to go for the intercept. penalty try and yellow card

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat May 13, 2017 6:42 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Itoje hasn't had a great game - a few missed tackles and that was an utterly needless penalty

He gives away a lot of penalties, but because he is Itoje it isn't talked about much.

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Post by hugehandoff on Sat May 13, 2017 6:44 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Itoje hasn't had a great game - a few missed tackles and that was an utterly needless penalty

He gives away a lot of penalties, but because he is Itoje it isn't talked about much.

He has also played very well. Strong on the gain line.

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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:44 pm

Both teams tiring now and out side of the scrum Clermont look like they're weakening

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Post by eirebilly on Sat May 13, 2017 6:47 pm

That will be it.
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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:48 pm

Yes!!!!!

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Post by hugehandoff on Sat May 13, 2017 6:48 pm

Well deserved. Well done Goode. Mako scrummaging looks weak.

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Post by theslosty on Sat May 13, 2017 6:48 pm

Correct decision by Owens by the letter of the law but not in the spirit of the law. Lopez didn't deliberately knock on but did deliberately put himself in a position where he would probably knock on.
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Post by BigGee on Sat May 13, 2017 6:48 pm

Pressure tells in the end. It was coming.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat May 13, 2017 6:49 pm

That one was a knock on ahead of the try. Swings and roundabouts

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat May 13, 2017 6:49 pm

Probably was a knock on from Taylor so a bit of karma back for Sarries!

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Post by Heaf on Sat May 13, 2017 6:49 pm

Had to come - Clermont defended well but couldn't be expected not to give eventually

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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:50 pm

Clermont still in this

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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:51 pm

Or not, must have hurt himself play acting...

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Post by eirebilly on Sat May 13, 2017 6:51 pm

theslosty wrote:Correct decision by Owens by the letter of the law but not in the spirit of the law. Lopez didn't deliberately knock on but did deliberately put himself in a position where he would probably knock on.

I actually thought Lopez could have got to that had he not have dived looking for a penalty. It was a calculated gamble that could have paid off.
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Post by BigGee on Sat May 13, 2017 6:51 pm

theslosty wrote:Correct decision by Owens by the letter of the law but not in the spirit of the law. Lopez didn't deliberately knock on but did deliberately put himself in a position where he would probably knock on.

Sorry, how an earth is a ref meant to interpret that in any kind of objective fashion. If the ball had gone down, he would have given the card and the PT. As it did not, he felt he could not. It had so much riding on it, it would have been the match. You can't do that by trying to judge players intent.

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Post by Heaf on Sat May 13, 2017 6:52 pm

Kama strikes again

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Post by Heaf on Sat May 13, 2017 6:55 pm

game over

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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:55 pm

Need more air horns at games...

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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:56 pm

Stamp there from Clermont

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Post by yappysnap on Sat May 13, 2017 6:58 pm

Well done Sarries.

You may not be likeable but damn you're a good club. Massive respect.

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Post by hugehandoff on Sat May 13, 2017 6:59 pm

Congrats Sarries. Well deserved. Dominated the second half.

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Post by Heaf on Sat May 13, 2017 7:00 pm

Well done Sarries - clearly the better team.

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Post by BigGee on Sat May 13, 2017 7:02 pm

They are some team Saracens. The slightly scary thing is that they have probably not even peaked yet. They could be dominating this tournament for years to come.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat May 13, 2017 7:05 pm

Rugby is the winner............right? Whistle
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Post by TightHEAD on Sat May 13, 2017 7:06 pm

Were was the shot of all the Sarries fans watching the game on a big screen?
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Post by Cumbrian on Sat May 13, 2017 7:12 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Were was the shot of all the Sarries fans watching the game on a big screen?

Probably hiding with the 'h' in your 'where'. Hug
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Post by theslosty on Sat May 13, 2017 7:22 pm

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theslosty wrote:Correct decision by Owens by the letter of the law but not in the spirit of the law. Lopez didn't deliberately knock on but did deliberately put himself in a position where he would probably knock on.

Sorry, how an earth is a ref meant to interpret that in any kind of objective fashion. If the ball had gone down, he would have given the card and the PT. As it did not, he felt he could not. It had so much riding on it, it would have been the match. You can't do that by trying to judge players intent.

Well I did say it was the correct decision by the letter of the law. However I believe Saracens were denied a try by a piece of foul play, even if it were not deliberately cynical.

Say in football - a defender slides in for a tackle with the striker bearing down on goal but the ball evades the defender at the last moment, taking out the striker's legs - it doesn't matter what the defender's intentions are because as long as a goalscoring opportunity is denied the referee gives a penalty and a red card.
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Post by Cumbrian on Sat May 13, 2017 7:29 pm

theslosty wrote:
BigGee wrote:
theslosty wrote:Correct decision by Owens by the letter of the law but not in the spirit of the law. Lopez didn't deliberately knock on but did deliberately put himself in a position where he would probably knock on.

Sorry, how an earth is a ref meant to interpret that in any kind of objective fashion. If the ball had gone down, he would have given the card and the PT. As it did not, he felt he could not. It had so much riding on it, it would have been the match. You can't do that by trying to judge players intent.

Well I did say it was the correct decision by the letter of the law. However I believe Saracens were denied a try by a piece of foul play, even if it were not deliberately cynical.

Say in football -  a defender slides in for a tackle with the striker bearing down on goal but the ball evades the defender at the last moment, taking out the striker's legs - it doesn't matter what the defender's intentions are because as long as a goalscoring opportunity is denied the referee gives a penalty and a red card.

A bit like when a player gets pinned at the bottom of a ruck through no fault of his own? He hasn't meant to slow the ball down, but he gets penalised anyway because he has inadvertently prevented the attacking team getting quick ball.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat May 13, 2017 7:34 pm

Actually football has changed the rule to say only a deliberate denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity is a red card.

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Post by theslosty on Sat May 13, 2017 7:41 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Actually football has changed the rule to say only a deliberate denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity is a red card.
You are indeed correct. Which for me in this instance is fair, a penalty try but no card for Lopez.
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Post by The Great Aukster on Sat May 13, 2017 8:06 pm

Well deserved win for Saracens. Great result for Ireland!

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