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Post by LordDowlais on Wed May 17, 2017 2:55 am

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No team news yet, nor any news on who is officiating, so here is the place to be just to talk about this weekends semi finals. I will update when needed.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat May 20, 2017 7:45 am

Geen sport voor watjes wrote:I saw it mentioned that the Scarlett's no.7 didn't make the wales summer squad. ... seriously?

Scarlets 6 it was mentioned. Cubby can't make the team because he's a wing-hanger, but that came in very handy today...

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Post by The Great Aukster on Sat May 20, 2017 7:45 am

Disappointing from Isa, ducking the question about his awful missed conversion. That was a key turning point and he should have taken it on the chin.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat May 20, 2017 7:47 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:What a waste of a season for Leinster. Produce their worst performances at the end. However, I do think that's why a league competition should remain as a league competition. You could be the best team for the entire season and then lose it at the end.

They knew the rules and peaked too soon. You have to leave something that in the tank.
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Post by Geen sport voor watjes on Sat May 20, 2017 7:47 am

The Great Aukster wrote:Disappointing from Isa, ducking the question about his awful missed conversion. That was a key turning point and he should have taken it on the chin.

The key turning point? I don't think so Leinster were gash

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Post by The Great Aukster on Sat May 20, 2017 7:51 am

It was A key turning point as the difference between 4 and 6 points was massive.

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Post by Geen sport voor watjes on Sat May 20, 2017 7:53 am

Wouldn't have made a difference

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Post by The Great Aukster on Sat May 20, 2017 7:53 am

... And yes Leinster were gash

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Post by LordDowlais on Sat May 20, 2017 7:56 am

Well, well, well.

I was quietly confident Scarlets would win tonight, I just did not want to look like I was chest thumping on here before hand, also I did not want to jinx anything.

Any side with the amount of Internationals in their team that Scarlets have can never be written off. We can only imagine what the final score would have been if Stef Evans was not sent off ?

Scarlets looked comfortable in ever facet tonight, defence, attack, turn overs, scrums (when they were at full compliment).

Also, red card was harsh, but right, to the letter of the law, shame is, it could lead to a four game ban and the kid could miss the final and the Wales tour. Come on blazers, common sense please.

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Post by Pot Hale on Sat May 20, 2017 7:56 am

TightHEAD wrote:Good to see SL earning his money!

Stop being a total toerag.
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat May 20, 2017 7:59 am

Maybe they can reduce it to two on good behaviour... too bad he isn't an All Black, there wouldn't have even been a card!

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Post by The Great Aukster on Sat May 20, 2017 8:00 am

Fine what's two points when you're a man down and holding on by your fingernails. Williams penalty killed any Leinster hope - that was the difference two measly points make.

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Post by LordDowlais on Sat May 20, 2017 8:02 am

mikey_dragon wrote:Maybe they can reduce it to two on good behaviour... too bad he isn't an All Black, there wouldn't have even been a card!

mikey, it's one of those rare times, it must be cold in hell. Very Happy

Yep, I agree with you.

I just hope common sense prevails. Let the kid play rugby. OK

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Post by Geen sport voor watjes on Sat May 20, 2017 8:03 am

The Great Aukster wrote:Fine what's two points when you're a man down and holding on by your fingernails. Williams penalty killed any Leinster hope - that was the difference two measly points make.

I don't think Scarlett's ever looked like they were hanging on

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Post by LordDowlais on Sat May 20, 2017 8:03 am

christ on a bike.

There are a few bitter Irish fans on here tonight, and there was me thinking you lot always respected the refs. Shocked

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Post by glamorganalun on Sat May 20, 2017 8:07 am

I can't see Sexton lasting in NZ he seems to be injured every game and offered very little in this game. The Scarlets had the best Irish second row, what a player.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat May 20, 2017 8:09 am

Bitter.......... Ale mmmmmm
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Post by TightHEAD on Sat May 20, 2017 8:10 am

glamorganalun wrote:I can't see Sexton lasting in NZ he seems to be injured every game and offered very little in this game. The Scarlets had the best Irish second row, what a player.

He looks Ill too, so who fall back too as back up. Russell or Ford?
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Post by LordDowlais on Sat May 20, 2017 8:14 am

TightHEAD wrote:
glamorganalun wrote:I can't see Sexton lasting in NZ he seems to be injured every game and offered very little in this game. The Scarlets had the best Irish second row, what a player.

He looks Ill too, so who fall back too as back up. Russell or Ford?

Who ever is playing against Tonga and Samoa in Auckland at the time. Very Happy

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Post by The Great Aukster on Sat May 20, 2017 8:16 am

LD - good to see after all this time you finally rate Marius as being a too ref.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat May 20, 2017 8:18 am

I meant that as a general point, but I knew it would probably reel in some Munster fan.

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Post by The Great Aukster on Sat May 20, 2017 8:18 am

Surely Ford has to be next in line as he has been the difference for England?

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Post by glamorganalun on Sat May 20, 2017 8:20 am

TightHEAD wrote:
glamorganalun wrote:I can't see Sexton lasting in NZ he seems to be injured every game and offered very little in this game. The Scarlets had the best Irish second row, what a player.

He looks Ill too, so who fall back too as back up. Russell or Ford?

Looking on the bright side he gets an extra week rest (I hope) unless he gets flogged by Gatland.

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Post by LordDowlais on Sat May 20, 2017 8:21 am

The Great Aukster wrote:LD - good to see after all this time you finally rate Marius as being a too ref.

Nope.

I think he had a mare tonight, he was listening too much to a very hostile home crowd, they were booing and acting like they were watching a pantomime, and he was wilting towards them. But that is history now.

I do not rate Marius, although he is not the worst ref in the league.

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Post by toml on Sat May 20, 2017 8:26 am

That was great heart from the Scarlets. They really deserved that.
Mitraea did a good job I thought, Leinster only have themselves to blame.

Sexton was pretty poor. Is Gopperth eligible for the lions?


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Post by Geen sport voor watjes on Sat May 20, 2017 8:27 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:I meant that as a general point, but I knew it would probably reel in some Munster fan.

Ok I just thought you were being clueless like lorddowlais

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Post by profitius on Sat May 20, 2017 9:13 am

Well done Scarlets. They actually looked comfortable out there as the game went on.


Leinster sure timed it for one of their worst performances of the season but they can only have themselves to blame.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat May 20, 2017 9:18 am

Geen sport voor watjes wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:I meant that as a general point, but I knew it would probably reel in some Munster fan.

Ok I just thought you were being clueless like lorddowlais

Lol well you must have offended him because you seem to have received a complaint for this post.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Sat May 20, 2017 11:38 am

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I'm going to be controversial here, but I can see the Scarlets turning Leinster over. I think they have a real chance. Leinster are the favourites of course but they fell asleep quite badly against Clermont which was the last game I saw them play in.

However I think the munster vs ospreys game has a whiff of inevitability about it. Can't see then losing at Thormond Park and I can see them winning the whole thing.

Oh yeah! king
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Post by Gwlad on Sat May 20, 2017 1:16 pm

Tough on Evans, essentially what Mealamu and Umaga did to BOD how things have changed. Sexton looked very average.

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat May 20, 2017 6:51 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:If the Scarlets win and Munster win tomorrow - who gets to wear the red in the final?
Scarlets surely? Munster are the home team in effect.

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Post by wayne on Sat May 20, 2017 7:04 pm

Excellent display Scarlets, really well done, the Davies brothers were top notch, I know it was correct to the letter of the law, but how unlucky for Steff Evans, I have a feeling he would have been MOTM if he had stayed on. Have to say as well as Cubby played, and a lot are saying he should be with TW in the South Seas, if I as an Osprey supporter had the choice of having anybody with Welsh qualifications to join us, I would want Ollie Griffiths, just a bit more classy IMO.

Let me just add, how great it would be for us to join you in next weeks final, I just think it is a step too far with the available players, especially at scrum time.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat May 20, 2017 7:36 pm

Certainly did not expect that result, I had an all Irish final in my mind. Great stuff from the Scarlets, especially after going a man down. Leinster may have been gash but that was all down to the pressure that the Scarlets applied to them. The Scarlets simply got the right game plan, stuck to it and then adjusted after going a man down, quality rugby.

Just hope that Munster can get the win tonight now.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat May 20, 2017 8:05 pm

Gwlad wrote:Tough on Evans, essentially what Mealamu and Umaga did to BOD how things have changed. Sexton looked very average.

Average is kind. It was a dreadful performance.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat May 20, 2017 8:08 pm

eirebilly wrote:Certainly did not expect that result, I had an all Irish final in my mind. Great stuff from the Scarlets, especially after going a man down. Leinster may have been gash but that was all down to the pressure that the Scarlets applied to them. The Scarlets simply got the right game plan, stuck to it and then adjusted after going a man down, quality rugby.

Just hope that Munster can get the win tonight now.

You boys better do it Billy. There is something about Irish teams and bottling it when it really matters. On the other hand, the Welsh teams seem to embrace the big games more often than not, at least when playing against Ireland.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat May 20, 2017 8:55 pm

I would hope that Munster were too strong for the Ospreys Rory but after last night, I am not as confident.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat May 20, 2017 9:05 pm

There is one big difference between Leinster and Munster though - Peter O'Mahony and the quality of leaders in general. The likes of O'Mahony and Stander will lead from the front and demand victory. Leinster bottled it and didn't have any real leaders to motivate them.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat May 20, 2017 9:09 pm

I am not so convinced that Leinster bottled it last night. For me, the Scarlets came with the correct game plan and just blew Leinster off the park. I do feel that Leinster may have been slightly complacent but that is no excuse, the Scarlets just seemed better prepared by some distance. Even when a man down, they still looked very composed and did not allow Leinster any space, it was an excellent performance from the Scarlets.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat May 20, 2017 9:12 pm

The Scarlets were excellent, but that doesn't get away from the fact that most of the (many) errors Leinster made were unforced. It was as if were on the training park rather than a knock-out rugby game. Sexton was beyond terrible and should have been taken off and the young players weren't able to compose themselves and play intelligently. Scarlets were a man down for the majority of the game for goodness sake and Leinster kept panicking.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat May 20, 2017 9:16 pm

I do agree with you about the on field leadership though, I certainly feel that Leinster were missing Heaslip. A big match player like Heaslip brings a certain calmness and composure to a team like Leinster. Leinster panicked because they were being hurried at every moment by a very composed Scarlets.

I am a firm believer that teams good teams can be made to look very average when their opposition get their tactics spot on.
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Post by profitius on Sun May 21, 2017 1:35 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:There is one big difference between Leinster and Munster though - Peter O'Mahony and the quality of leaders in general. The likes of O'Mahony and Stander will lead from the front and demand victory. Leinster bottled it and didn't have any real leaders to motivate them.


I'm not sure Sextons bitching and moaning was any help either especially when he was their worst player.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sun May 21, 2017 2:27 am

eirebilly wrote:I do agree with you about the on field leadership though, I certainly feel that Leinster were missing Heaslip. A big match player like Heaslip brings a certain calmness and composure to a team like Leinster. Leinster panicked because they were being hurried at every moment by a very composed Scarlets.

I am a firm believer that teams good teams can be made to look very average when their opposition get their tactics spot on.

So am I, but that isn't what happened last night. Leinster started the stronger team before disintegrating, and the Scarlets smelt blood. Most of the errors made by Leinster were entirely unforced and their tackling was crap. They weren't even hard tackles which they were missing.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sun May 21, 2017 2:30 am

profitius wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:There is one big difference between Leinster and Munster though - Peter O'Mahony and the quality of leaders in general. The likes of O'Mahony and Stander will lead from the front and demand victory. Leinster bottled it and didn't have any real leaders to motivate them.


I'm not sure Sextons bitching and moaning was any help either especially when he was their worst player.

He should have been hauled off. Poor from Leo.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Sun May 21, 2017 2:31 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
eirebilly wrote:I do agree with you about the on field leadership though, I certainly feel that Leinster were missing Heaslip. A big match player like Heaslip brings a certain calmness and composure to a team like Leinster. Leinster panicked because they were being hurried at every moment by a very composed Scarlets.

I am a firm believer that teams good teams can be made to look very average when their opposition get their tactics spot on.

So am I, but that isn't what happened last night. Leinster started the stronger team before disintegrating, and the Scarlets smelt blood. Most of the errors made by Leinster were entirely unforced and their tackling was crap. They weren't even hard tackles which they were missing.

Funny how it's always the same faces on here that can not give credit where it is due.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sun May 21, 2017 2:34 am

Funny how it's always the same faces on here who pick which posts to read and which posts to ignore. If you scroll up even just a little, I say that the Scarlets were excellent and earlier in the thread I said they they deserve to be in the final.

Nice to see you back Spider. Glad to see you're no less bitter than I remember.

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Post by marty2086 on Sun May 21, 2017 2:34 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
eirebilly wrote:I do agree with you about the on field leadership though, I certainly feel that Leinster were missing Heaslip. A big match player like Heaslip brings a certain calmness and composure to a team like Leinster. Leinster panicked because they were being hurried at every moment by a very composed Scarlets.

I am a firm believer that teams good teams can be made to look very average when their opposition get their tactics spot on.

So am I, but that isn't what happened last night. Leinster started the stronger team before disintegrating, and the Scarlets smelt blood. Most of the errors made by Leinster were entirely unforced and their tackling was crap. They weren't even hard tackles which they were missing.

Calling the errors unforced is unfair on everyone, Scarlets line speed and their ferocity really had Leinster under pressure

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sun May 21, 2017 2:35 am

It really isn't hard. One team can play really well, and one team can play really poor.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sun May 21, 2017 2:36 am

I said "most" of the errors were unforced which the analysts also said during the game.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun May 21, 2017 4:35 am

Once again we have a one-eyed Irish crowd booing all the correct decisions. It's high time you hypocrites stopped moaning about the Welsh now eh? Anyway, hope this one is a good game too and may the best team win.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sun May 21, 2017 4:50 am

We still don't shout "cheat". Get over it.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun May 21, 2017 4:51 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:We still don't shout "cheat". Get over it.

Why don't you get over that fair and accurate description ?

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