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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 22 May 2017, 8:27 am

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Post by Samo on Mon 22 May 2017, 8:34 am

"WWE need to push new stars, we're sick of the same old faces all the time. Wait, dont push him, he isnt Sami Zayn OR Cesaro" - the internet all morning.

It was a pretty disappointing show but this is a highlight for me. Something new and someone else getting a chance. I know its because they've a big tour in India coming up and thats played a big role but I still like it, and Im willing to give it time.

And this latest reign of Ortons has been Poopie and pointless anyway.

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Mon 22 May 2017, 9:14 am

Ahahaha its brilliant.

Some people are p'ssed off

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Post by gcBlues on Mon 22 May 2017, 9:19 am

If the guy can get over then it makes sense. At least they're doing something different.

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Post by GSC on Mon 22 May 2017, 10:28 am

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 22 May 2017, 10:42 am

If only breezeango would've won too this might have been the greatest ppv since time began
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Post by Ché Guerrero on Mon 22 May 2017, 10:47 am

Thought Ziggles did some decent heel work in the opening match. Shame part of that was keeping the pace so slow, ended well at least

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Post by Mr H on Mon 22 May 2017, 12:10 pm

Jinder's win reminds me a lot of Sheamus' first title win against Cena at TLC. Totally unexpected but I'm all for it.

I expect it'll be a pretty short reign before Orton regains it but fair play to him, I don't think the title looks out of place on his shoulder at all.

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Post by Crimey on Mon 22 May 2017, 1:14 pm

HAHAHA 

It's bad though that it only took a year of the bland split for the world titles to be devalued again. I appreciate that Jinder Mahal is a new face but I'd accept it more if there was any build up to this reign. He was a jobber for years, returned, continued to job and then had a completely random push. It screams short-term planning, they should have been building Jinder up for at least months beforehand.

I also thought Shinsuke Nakamura was really disappointing, not sure if it was being paired with Ziggler or just not translating properly. I still don't really get Nakamura though to be fair so maybe fans of his enjoyed that match.

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Mon 22 May 2017, 1:20 pm

Both he and Ziggler are known for fast paced action. No idea why they built it so slow.

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Post by JoshSansom on Mon 22 May 2017, 11:29 pm

For all that Nakamura/Ziggler felt like a massive let down, KO/Styles was fantastic. A great match and leaves the way open for them to keep going.

Thought that for a Chicago crowd it sounded really flat for large parts of the evening. Yes the opener was a disappointment from the hype and the main event wasn't the names some hoped, but it didn't seem to have huge atmosphere, even if that wasn't helped by not being a sell out.

Tyler "The Cleaner" Breeze was great - I half thought I was watching Groucho Marx. I think he has the job role of "new Sandow" now

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu 25 May 2017, 8:24 pm

Jinder is an appalling wrestler and poor character.

Breezango are amazing and I love them.

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Thu 25 May 2017, 11:28 pm

I'm perversely fascinated by Jinder as champion, in a world where it's difficult for heels to truly get over maybe we need a champion who isn't just undeserving in kayfabe but actually perceived as underserving by the fans, if Mahal was able to turn back the likes of Styles, Nak and Zayn WWE could be on to something

With the network model WWE would be in an ideal position to try something like this as they're less dependent than at any other time in their history on making the correct booking decisions to draw money, the only barrier would be TV ratings though by all accounts they went up this week, which was probably due to to perverse fascination than anything else

I'm nailing my colours to the mast, Jinder for champ until at least Rumble!

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Post by Kay Fabe on Fri 26 May 2017, 11:33 am

Dr Gregory House MD wrote:I'm perversely fascinated by Jinder as champion, in a world where it's difficult for heels to truly get over maybe we need a champion who isn't just undeserving in kayfabe but actually perceived as underserving by the fans, if Mahal was able to turn back the likes of Styles, Nak and Zayn WWE could be on to something

With the network model WWE would be in an ideal position to try something like this as they're less dependent than at any other time in their history on making the correct booking decisions to draw money, the only barrier would be TV ratings though by all accounts they went up this week, which was probably due to to perverse fascination than anything else

I'm nailing my colours to the mast, Jinder for champ until at least Rumble!

I don't know about all the way to the Rumble but I too think the only way to really push a top heel right now is by making sure most think he is undeserving and unbefitting of having that honour, like a nodern day Honky Tonk Man although they could have done this with the US Title and since he's pushing the xenophobia angle that might have made more sense

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Post by JoshSansom on Fri 26 May 2017, 11:51 am

Kay Fabe wrote:
Dr Gregory House MD wrote:I'm perversely fascinated by Jinder as champion, in a world where it's difficult for heels to truly get over maybe we need a champion who isn't just undeserving in kayfabe but actually perceived as underserving by the fans, if Mahal was able to turn back the likes of Styles, Nak and Zayn WWE could be on to something

With the network model WWE would be in an ideal position to try something like this as they're less dependent than at any other time in their history on making the correct booking decisions to draw money, the only barrier would be TV ratings though by all accounts they went up this week, which was probably due to to perverse fascination than anything else

I'm nailing my colours to the mast, Jinder for champ until at least Rumble!

I don't know about all the way to the Rumble but I too think the only way to really push a top heel right now is by making sure most think he is undeserving and unbefitting of having that honour, like a nodern day Honky Tonk Man although they could have done this with the US Title and since he's pushing the xenophobia angle that might have made more sense

I wonder whether they will continue the KO Face of America thing as essentially both main Champs on Smackdown are running very similar storyline characters

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Post by Samo on Fri 26 May 2017, 11:58 am

Its refreshing to have a heel who is actually disliked by the fans, by hook or by crook. The fact that good heels dont get over as heels because fans cheer them for being good at being a heel. Its one of the worst things a crowd can do.

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Post by GSC on Fri 26 May 2017, 11:58 am

They should start a faction, call it the League of Nations or something
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 26 May 2017, 12:36 pm

It does seem interesting that Jinder is being complimented for not being very good.

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Post by Samo on Fri 26 May 2017, 12:47 pm

Im not complimenting Jinder, im complimenting the situation more than anything.

Atleast they're trying with him now, his title celebration made him feel like a big deal. Its a work in progress but they're getting there.

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Fri 26 May 2017, 1:01 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:It does seem interesting that Jinder is being complimented for not being very good.

He's undisputedly the best not very good WWE Champion in history

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 26 May 2017, 2:12 pm

It seems a shame to me to use Jinder, Rusev is better at this and a better wrestler. Plus it now means Orton just won a match with Wyatt and dropped the belt, whereas I think he could have put on some good matches with a few people before foreign heel run.

They have two similar stories developing, one with nuance, a great wrestler and a fantastic promoer and another who looks like the kind of thing Donald Trump draws when he wants people to be scared and back his travel bans.

As it has been for a good while, Raw > Smackdown. Raw is messy but has a better mix of talent and more balance over who is talented and who isn't.

I don't think I would pay to see Jinder wrestle. I can list matches I'd like to see Orton have, but all of Jinder's matches include Jinder

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Fri 26 May 2017, 2:18 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:It seems a shame to me to use Jinder, Rusev is better at this and a better wrestler. Plus it now means Orton just won a match with Wyatt and dropped the belt, whereas I think he could have put on some good matches with a few people before foreign heel run.

They have two similar stories developing, one with nuance, a great wrestler and a fantastic promoer and another who looks like the kind of thing Donald Trump draws when he wants people to be scared and back his travel bans.

As it has been for a good while, Raw > Smackdown. Raw is messy but has a better mix of talent and more balance over who is talented and who isn't.

I don't think I would pay to see Jinder wrestle. I can list matches I'd like to see Orton have, but all of Jinder's matches include Jinder

But would you cancel the Network not to see Jinder wrestle? Otherwise it's more or less a moot point

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 26 May 2017, 3:25 pm

Dr Gregory House MD wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:It seems a shame to me to use Jinder, Rusev is better at this and a better wrestler. Plus it now means Orton just won a match with Wyatt and dropped the belt, whereas I think he could have put on some good matches with a few people before foreign heel run.

They have two similar stories developing, one with nuance, a great wrestler and a fantastic promoer and another who looks like the kind of thing Donald Trump draws when he wants people to be scared and back his travel bans.

As it has been for a good while, Raw > Smackdown. Raw is messy but has a better mix of talent and more balance over who is talented and who isn't.

I don't think I would pay to see Jinder wrestle. I can list matches I'd like to see Orton have, but all of Jinder's matches include Jinder

But would you cancel the Network not to see Jinder wrestle? Otherwise it's more or less a moot point

Would I subscribe to see him wrestle? There's the counter-balance. And, with my interest dwindling, it would be another reason to push me away from my subscription.

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Post by GSC on Fri 26 May 2017, 3:30 pm

Rather cynically there is a group that will probably subscribe for Jinder which is why WWE has done it.

Still if JBL can become a top main event heel, Jinders got a shot.
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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Fri 26 May 2017, 3:56 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Dr Gregory House MD wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:It seems a shame to me to use Jinder, Rusev is better at this and a better wrestler. Plus it now means Orton just won a match with Wyatt and dropped the belt, whereas I think he could have put on some good matches with a few people before foreign heel run.

They have two similar stories developing, one with nuance, a great wrestler and a fantastic promoer and another who looks like the kind of thing Donald Trump draws when he wants people to be scared and back his travel bans.

As it has been for a good while, Raw > Smackdown. Raw is messy but has a better mix of talent and more balance over who is talented and who isn't.

I don't think I would pay to see Jinder wrestle. I can list matches I'd like to see Orton have, but all of Jinder's matches include Jinder

But would you cancel the Network not to see Jinder wrestle? Otherwise it's more or less a moot point

Would I subscribe to see him wrestle? There's the counter-balance. And, with my interest dwindling, it would be another reason to push me away from my subscription.

I feel like we're on the wrong side of this debate

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 26 May 2017, 4:54 pm

People who think WWE are dumb finding the things they do to be dumb?

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Fri 26 May 2017, 4:59 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:People who think WWE are dumb finding the things they do to be dumb?

From the perspective that you're generally move positive on the bigger picture of the WWE than I am, that said I think my not caring has a lot to do with my perverse interest in this experiment

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