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Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by George Carlin on Mon 29 May 2017, 2:15 pm

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ITALY v SCOTLAND
10 June 2017
KO: 20:00 SGT (UTC+08)
National Stadium, Kallang, Singapore

Referee: Paul Williams (New Zealand)
Touch judges: TBC
TMO: TBC

Live on BBC1

A. Head to Head

27 Played 27
8 Won 19
0 Drawn 0
19 Lost 8
455 Points 653

B. Recent Form

18 March 2017
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
29 – 0 to Scotland

27 February 2016
Stadio Olimpico, Rome
20 – 36 to Scotland

29 August 2015
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
48 – 7 to Scotland

22 August 2015
Stadio Olimpico di Torino, Turin
12 – 16 to Scotland

28 February 2015
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
19 – 22 to Italy

22 February 2014
Stadio Olimpico, Rome
20 – 21 to Scotland

C. Teams

ITALY 

E Padovani, A Esposito, M Campagnaro, T Boni, L Sarto, T Allan, E Gori (capt); A Lovotti, L Bigi, S Ferrari, M Fuser, D Budd, F Minto, M Mbanda, R Barbieri.

Replacements: O Gega, F Zani, P Ceccarelli, A Van Schalkwyk, A Steyn, M Violi, C Canna, T Benvenuti.

SCOTLAND

D Taylor, D Hoyland, M Scott, A Dunbar, T Visser, F Russell, A Price; A Dell, R Ford, WP Nel, T Swinson, B Toolis, J Barclay (capt), R Wilson, J Strauss.

Replacements: F Brown, G Reid, Z Fagerson, R Harley, M Bradbury, H Pyrgos, P Horne.


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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by BigGee on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:12 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Is the ref making the rule up about subs not allowed to kick?

I think because time was up. Otherwise you could bring on a specialist kicker for the final kick of the game (or half)

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:14 pm

Finally a card

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by tigertattie on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:15 pm

They can't take it if it's a substitution but I'm sure blood and HIA changes and reversals are exempt I'm sure
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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by robbo277 on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:15 pm

Another outstanding try for Scotland finished by Ford.

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by BigGee on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:15 pm

Fantastic try. Unbelievable skill level

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by tigertattie on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:16 pm

Ross Ford. Athlete. He's absolutely done now. Give him a rest
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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:16 pm

WHAT A TRY!!!!

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:17 pm

That was an outstanding try.
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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:18 pm

It's also that awkward moment when you realise Finn Russel has created more tries in 50 minutes than the Lions have in 3 games... Run
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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by BigGee on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:19 pm

tigertattie wrote:They can't take it if it's a substitution but I'm sure blood and HIA changes and reversals are exempt I'm sure

Time was dead though, so probably no replacements of any sort allowed until beginning of next half

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by robbo277 on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:22 pm

To be fair to the Lions, you can't run the kick for Visser's try or throw the offloads for Ford's second and come off unless you have familiarity for the guys around you.

Russell is looking very good though, in fairness to him.

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:23 pm

Edinburgh front row have put in a good shift.

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:27 pm

robbo277 wrote:To be fair to the Lions, you can't run the kick for Visser's try or throw the offloads for Ford's second and come off unless you have familiarity for the guys around you.

Russell is looking very good though, in fairness to him.

I get that and I was being antagonistic for the sake of it, but he is offering a genuine spark, something none of the Lions 10s have a reputation for.

He's been electric.
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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:28 pm

Toolis imperious in the lineout

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by BigGee on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:35 pm

Try Italy, good break from a turnover when Bradbury dropped a pass

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by tigertattie on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:36 pm

Toolis surely has the 3rd lock position now?
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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:38 pm

tigertattie wrote:Toolis surely has the 3rd lock position now?

Massive pressure on both grays now too

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:38 pm

Hoyland has been impressive too.
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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:45 pm

Fair play Barclay trying to tell the ref it was nothing - it was stupid though

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:46 pm

Barclay is a class act, shouting it's nothing to no avail as the Ref yellow cards Steyn.
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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by BigGee on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:46 pm

Lots of MoM candidates, but I would give it to Toolis who has been very impressive on his first start

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by BigGee on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:48 pm

Hoyland deserved that, he has played well. Another excellent assist from Super Duncan

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:49 pm

Great kick Horne but he hasn't looked overly comfortable at 10 it's got to be said

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by tigertattie on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:52 pm

looks like a rib popper for Taylor
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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by BigGee on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:53 pm

I thought Taylor had done his shoulder there. Just looks winded though

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by robbo277 on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:55 pm


I get that and I was being antagonistic for the sake of it, but he is offering a genuine spark, something none of the Lions 10s have a reputation for.

He's been electric.

Agree with that. I'd have had Ford, but Russell has been class here. Would have liked to have seen one of them go at least.

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by BigGee on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:58 pm

All over, harder games to come but a pretty good start to the Toonie era!

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 2:58 pm

Shame to lose a try at the end but great result - some fantastic tries

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by jimbopip on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 3:10 pm

A very good team performance. Top marks to Toolis and to Sideshow Bob at 15.

Mr Chinhook's try had "Made in Glasgow" stamped all over it.

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by BigGee on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 3:13 pm

We should have an even better team out next week with hopefully JG and HW coming back in.

I think that Toolis may well start and Swinson on the bench.

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by tigertattie on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 3:13 pm

I think most of the forwards had a good game.

Strauss though just looks like international rugby is too quick a pace for him.
Ryan Wilson was pretty anonymous

Ford Barclay and particularly toolis had great games

Visser looked slow
Hoyland needs to come looking for more work

Price had a good game
Russell was bright in attack, just needs to concentrate all the time and not switching off as much

Still making progress. Next week will be the yard stick
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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by BigGee on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 3:25 pm

tigertattie wrote:I think most of the forwards had a good game.

Strauss though just looks like international rugby is too quick a pace for him.
Ryan Wilson was pretty anonymous

Ford Barclay and particularly toolis had great games

Visser looked slow
Hoyland needs to come looking for more work

Price had a good game
Russell was bright in attack, just needs to concentrate all the time and not switching off as much

Still making progress. Next week will be the yard stick

That's a little bit harsh it was unbelievably hard to play in those conditions.

That was the first game in ages for JS, he carried hard and did the softening up. The conditions could hardly have been worse for him. Wilson did the same only for the whole 80 mins

Both wingers looked sharp enough and took their tries well, though Vis could have made more effort to stop the try. I thought Hoyland chased hard all day.

By no means perfect, but pretty good effort for a first run out. They will be better prepared for Australia because of it and the conditions will be a lot easier

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by 123456789 on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 7:21 pm

Is this part of a one off tournament structure or do Australia, Fiji and Italy all just happen to be playing each other as well?

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by EWT Spoons on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 7:56 pm

I might be wrong, but I think in all of Ford's international caps (107) he's scored a massive 10pts, he doubled his points tally today!!

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by George Carlin on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 9:06 am

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 9:25 am

My player ratings:

Dell - 6.5

Solid in the scrum and effective in the loose - looks well at home at this level now

Ford - 7

One of his better games for Scotland of late with some physical carries 2 well taken tries

Nel - 6.5

He looked in good shape (relatively speaking!) And scrumed well.

Swinson - 6.5

Worked hard as always but ran out of steam

Toolis - 8

Imperious in the lineout and his usual work on the loose - MOTM performance

Barclay - 7

Captain fantastic and a classy player - would have had several penalty turnovers with a different ref

Wilson - 6.5

Worked hard as always but not the same class as Hardie or Watson

Strauss - 6

Offered himself up to carry a lot but often didn't get very far.

Price - 6.5

A well taken try but looked to be really struggling with the conditions

Russell - 8

Supreme attacking play with the odd mistake thrown in - usual Russell then!

Visser - 6.5

Can't stop scoring but he was back to his flappy worst when chasing kicks and a poor effort chasing back for the Italian try

Dunbar - 6.5
Solid enough game but was at fault for the Italian intercept try

Scott - 6

A quiet game where the ball just didn't go his way. He'll want to get more involved in future games.

Hoyland - 6.5
Kept himself busy and looked comfortable at this level.

Taylor - 7.5
A class act, even if he was playing fullback like a centre!

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RossAnderson on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 11:27 am

Not sure what the attendance was at this game but didn't look like much.

I can't really see the rational for having this in Singapore. Who pays for this? Surely a crowd of > 10000 won't even cover the cost of venue hire etc. Do world rugby pay under the pretence of expanding the game or the Singapore tourism board pay?

Can't imagine BBC paid much for coverage either.

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 11:35 am

It was less than 9k apparently

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Post by jimbopip on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 11:57 am

On the subject of coverage; apart from Sky is there any way of seeing our match against the criminal element?

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RossAnderson on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 4:22 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:It was less than 9k apparently

What a waste. Unless the sru got some sort of payout for this, I have no idea where from, this makes no sense. The game could have got at least 3x the crowd at Murrayfield or I'd imagine double in Italy. Evan playing it in oz you would probably get at least 10k and would avoid extra travel cost/time zone changes etc

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RossAnderson on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 4:24 pm

jimbopip wrote:On the subject of coverage; apart from Sky is there any way of seeing our match against the criminal element?
Legally? Whistle

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by tigertattie on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 6:14 pm

Legally? The ozzies don't care about legality surely?
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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by Gwlad on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 7:08 pm

This game will be a cracker, Scots look totally different in the 10/12 channel with tonnes of heads up attacking intent and finishing marginal chances, and the 9 was excellent. I think Scotland will be a very competitive side come RWC

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by LordDowlais on Mon 12 Jun 2017, 10:31 am

Nice to see Barclay finally get used by Scotland, he has been a standout performer for Scarlets for the past few seasons.

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by LondonTiger on Mon 12 Jun 2017, 10:36 am

LordDowlais wrote:Nice to see Barclay finally get used by Scotland, he has been a standout performer for Scarlets for the past few seasons.

Finally? He has started 14 tests since the World Cup with a further two replacement caps.

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Re: Italy v Scotland, 10 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Mon 12 Jun 2017, 10:36 am

LordDowlais wrote:Nice to see Barclay finally get used by Scotland, he has been a standout performer for Scarlets for the past few seasons.

Yeah his time in the wilderness was confusing to Scotland fans too.  There were strong rumours he had a major falling out with the then acting head coach Scott Johnson who supposedly told him 'you'll never play for Scotland again while I'm in charge.'

Don't know how true those rumours are but given he was overlooked regularly for a few years there is probably some truth to them.

It is great to have him back though and I'm so happy for him that he was made captain.

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