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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 1 Jun 2017 - 9:39

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So it all kicks off today with England's game against Bangladesh at the oval

My prediction is victory for Australia overall....

Should be a really entertaining tournament!
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Post by KP_fan Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 16:20

Well SL are in the game still......
India needs wickets
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Post by guildfordbat Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 16:20

Only following intermittently on cricinfo but it seems Sri Lanka are soon going to be too much behind the rate to be able to turn it round. Is that right?

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Post by KP_fan Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 16:28

they smacked 16 of this jadeja over and RRR down to 7
they are ahead in the game now
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Post by wisden Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 16:33

Would be great for the comp to have another upset like this, and would mean that in the last round of games in this group anyone could go through..

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Post by KP_fan Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 16:37

It's Lanka's game to lose now...a silly give way wicket
triggering a collapse is the only way they can lose
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Post by robbo277 Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 17:04

2 run-outs of well set batsmen. Criminal.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 17:14

KP_fan wrote:It's Lanka's game to lose now...a silly give way wicket
triggering a collapse is the only way they can lose

Two silly run outs put India back in control - game rests on the wicket of Matthews

From a neutral standpoint a Sri Lanka win is what's needed for these final round of group games
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Post by wisden Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 17:24

This group would be blown wide open if sri lanka won this game..would give SA aother chance..who let's be honest need to look at their bowling attack, they need more control from their seamers, too many wayward deliveries in there attack and extras...they have a wealth of options to choose from..

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Post by jimbohammers Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 17:52

KP_fan wrote:
jimbohammers wrote:Against a good team that score would be under par. Very short boundary on one side

I can see only England overhauling that type of score 5 out 10 times against this Indian team.

Others like SA and Aus would have a hit rate of 2 to 3 times..
and NZ 1 out 10 times

As i was saying KP, your score was under par...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 17:54

Why have they sent Gunaratne in ahead of Chandimal?
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 17:55

Kusul Perera retires hurt - hamstring. All on Angelo now
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 17:55

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Why have they sent Gunaratne in ahead of Chandimal?

He was listed at 5 originally - 2 spots down now
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 18:14

jimbohammers wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
jimbohammers wrote:Against a good team that score would be under par. Very short boundary on one side

I can see only England overhauling that type of score 5 out 10 times against this Indian team.

Others like SA and Aus would have a hit rate of 2 to 3 times..
and NZ 1 out 10 times

As i was saying KP, your score was under par...

Well below par it seems - Sri Lanka doing this at a canter despite throwing two wickets away and one batsman retiring hurt
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 19:08

I think India need to reassess their approach with their batting personally - yes they did fine, but when you're scoring 100 off the last 10 overs, that should be taking to a score of 350+, not to a score of 320ish. One of Rohit/Dhawan needs to go harder in those opening 10 overs, try get the team off to a flyer. And ultimately, if they're going to be in for 120/130 balls, they need to end up scoring at a strike rate of well over 100+
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Post by KP_fan Thu 8 Jun 2017 - 20:55

jimbohammers wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
jimbohammers wrote:Against a good team that score would be under par. Very short boundary on one side

I can see only England overhauling that type of score 5 out 10 times against this Indian team.

Others like SA and Aus would have a hit rate of 2 to 3 times..
and NZ 1 out 10 times

As i was saying KP, your score was under par...

so much under par...that Lanka had to make their highest score chasing in their 40 year history to get past it Very Happy

On a serious note....no one expected Lanka to chase and that too so nonchalantly.......the expected and likely collapse also never came.
Even the Indian team got carried away with it's own perceived strength....and absolutely so once they scored 320.....they thought game is over.
And cricket the glorious game it is...pulls the mightiest down...

so here we are with one round to go 7 teams are still in reckoning for 3 s.f spots
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Post by VTR Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 10:22

Didn't see that result coming, I thought such a run chase was way beyond Sri Lanka. England would love either Sri Lanka or Pakistan in the semi-final. As good as those teams can be on their day they both also have the capability to not even turn up. India and SA don't often cough up easy wins like the other two do

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 13:26

Kane Williamson is in, what you would describe as, "good nick"
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 13:38

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Kane Williamson is in, what you would describe as, "good nick"
Very Happy Cool
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 13:44

Jinxed him, run out in a mix up with Taylor. Sad Sad

Thought they'd gotten those out of their systems - that used to happen a lot a couple of years back
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 13:46

That run out a big boost for my Ross Taylor highest NZ scorer bet
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 13:52

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:That run out a big boost for my Ross Taylor highest NZ scorer bet

I've got Kane in my Bru fantasy lite - at least he outscored Guptil so a decent haul even if Taylor scores big. Just need the Bangla top 3 to fail.

I had Ronchi as my "other" batsman - so much for backing the flat track bully
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 14:37

Taylor gone for 63.

218/4 in the 43rd - acceleration needed
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Post by VTR Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 14:49

NZ really lack batting outside of the top 4. Surely there's got to be better players than Broom out there? Anderson being completely out of form isn't helping though - 18 runs in 3 matches so far

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 14:53

VTR wrote:NZ really lack batting outside of the top 4. Surely there's got to be better players than Broom out there? Anderson being completely out of form isn't helping though - 18 runs in 3 matches so far  

I'd drop Broom, put Neesham up to 5, Anderson to 6 & bring in de Grandhomme (or Munro who sadly isn't in the squad) - Anderson needs to be higher than 6 to build an innings before going big, CDG can hit from the get go. And he'd be a useful bowler on English pitches
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Post by VTR Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 14:59

That sounds like an improvement - NZ feel a bit like 4 out, all out with this line up. Broom made some runs today but is the kind of player the opposition are happy to see stay in as he won't hurt them by suddenly upping the scoring rate

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 15:12

It's all moot as I'd say we're going home after this. Sigh.
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Post by VTR Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 15:15

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:It's all moot as I'd say we're going home after this. Sigh.

You've go a chance if Boult/and or Southee get it right at the start, both can run through the top order on their day - I am not writing NZ off just yet, in fact I've got a sneaking feeling this is going to be the first tight game of the tournament

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Post by alfie Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 15:38

NZ proving once again their tail starts at five...OK , Broom got a few this time , but still...

I do rate their bowlers so not awarding the game to Bangladesh yet. But I wonder on this effort if Bangladesh might not prove better opposition for whoever wins the other group knockouts than the Kiwis ? Of course they have to not only haul this total in but also hope England beat Australia tomorrow ; but who'd have thought they'd be in with a serious chance of making the semis at all ? Especially after losing their first match .

Expect NZ to fight tooth and nail though.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 16:27

Bangladesh 14/3 in the 7th.

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Post by alfie Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 16:34

Then again , who needs batsmen when you have Southee and Boult Smile

Might be something in this theory that this pitch gets progressively harder to bat on , eh ? Looks as if NZ got it right at the toss...

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 17:09

53/4 after 15. Though NZ have used up 7 overs of Southee & 5 of Boult.

That said, Milne is also looking lethal
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 18:03

Century stand between Shakib & Mahmadullah at a decent clip, Neesham & Anderson going for a few runs sharing 5th bowler duties

133/4 off 29, NZ were 148/2 at the same stage, albeit about to lose Williamson
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Post by VTR Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 18:06

Well I did warn the Bangladesh top order about an on form Boult or Southee Smile They are coming back into this though, still feel there are some twists and turns coming

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 18:18

Not wanting Australia to win but would rather see Lynn get a game tomorrow in place of Finch. Finch has been pretty awful for a long time now. Lynn had a decent IPL and seems a pretty good player

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 18:25

This looks like being the tight game VTR predicted earlier....
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 18:28

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:This looks like being the tight game VTR predicted earlier....

Not if these 2 bat much longer Crying or Very sad
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Post by KP_fan Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 18:47

BD was in my list to watch out for for a s.f slot.....extremely improved side.......with a much improved ODI win percentage over their last 30 games 

and have won tests vs Eng at home and vs NZ in NZ this season

my wish-script

BD win today
Eng beat Aus
Ind beats SA
Lanka beats Pak

India beats BD in semis
Lanka beats Eng in semis

India beats Lanka, wins the cup and avenges the defeat  Very Happy
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 18:55

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:This looks like being the tight game VTR predicted earlier....

Not if these 2 bat much longer Crying or Very sad

Bangladesh's to lose now...bit disappointed by the crowds in Cardiff so far...don't think it was full for the England game and it's barely half full here. Would've been better to have the third ground be Manchester or Headingley surely? (seeing as Lords is unavailable for some reason)
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 19:17

Bangladesh's highest ever ODI partnership, and probably their greatest. 26 off the final 5 overs required
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 19:20

Shakib goes to a magnificent hundred with a towering six off Milne - what an innings!
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Post by KP_fan Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 19:25

he was trying to finish the game  in the next two balls......shakib gone for one of the most brilliant 100s in a big game....

mahmudullah breathes a sigh of relief.....will get a chance to get a 100 Wink
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 19:28

And now Mahmudullah gets to his hundred - what an innings, what a partnership - absolutely magnificent
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Post by KP_fan Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 19:31

and take a bow ...mahmudullah get an unbeaten 100

3 days in a row the underdog wins.......the brilliant game of cricket clap clap clap
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Post by KO-KING Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 19:53

What an innings what a player Shakib

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 19:54

For those of you who missed that (Sorry Pete!) I would implore you to catch the highlights. One of the best ever ODI partnerships I've ever seen.
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Post by KO-KING Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 20:35

I caught the end, highlights will be on Iplayer

Bangladesh new Zealand are always crackers, 30-4, I was kindof surprised new zealand were running on very them, as bangladesh beat them in Ireland, but thought it may be because Boult and southee were not playing, mahmadullah at full flow is one of the better players to watch in world cricket

I think him and tamim in wc 15 had a good partnership and it was a great watch, as tamim and mahmadullah are one of my favourite players to watch

This win will be great if Australia gets knocked out, reminds me of 05, when they lost to bd in Cardiff, showed Australia could be rattled... Still the best cricketing summer ever

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Post by KO-KING Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 21:59

Also, what a pitch, about time, not surprising the best game came on a even contest between bat and ball 270 par wicket

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 10 Jun 2017 - 10:47

Not CT related, but Rashid Khan the Afghan sensation leggie took 7-18 against the West Indies in the first ODI yesterday as Afghanistan won comfortably. Be a good series that
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Post by KO-KING Sat 10 Jun 2017 - 11:19

He's meant to be 18...even if he's 26 he's still class

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Post by VTR Sat 10 Jun 2017 - 11:39

Looks like a talent, shame he will probably never get many chances to test himself at a higher level. How bad for the Windies though, not in the CT so instead playing and getting pummelled by Afghanistan. Arguably a new low for them

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