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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:39 am

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So it all kicks off today with England's game against Bangladesh at the oval

My prediction is victory for Australia overall....

Should be a really entertaining tournament!
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Post by eirebilly on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:01 pm

That was a scary over from Mustafizur...
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Post by guildfordbat on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:03 pm

alfie wrote:Thing is ; we all know how destructive Roy can be.  I see a comment on Cricinfo "if Roy comes off once in the CT , England will win the match".  
Which rather misses the point that they need to win all games whether he comes off or not...they've been winning with big scores lately with no contribution from Roy ; so what harm could it do to replace him with a man in sublime form ? Even if YJB doesn't produce a vintage Roy master class innings , isn't he more likely at present to produce several good brisk innings ?  Likely the latter would be better than hoping for a miraculous return to form from Roy in time to do England any good in this tournament...

Yep, I've heard Alec Stewart say similar to a Surrey supporter who was whinging about Roy's form a couple of years ago in the domestic t20 tournament. He was right in what he said then - ''if Roy bats for 12 overs, Surrey win the game''. However, as I'm sure Stewie would readily acknowledge, what we have now is a very different kettle of fish. Unlike, the domestic t20 which began with many games in a league format, the CT format comprises only 3 league games. Lose just one of those games and you're already sweating on other results and the weather. Furthermore, Surrey didn't have a reserve like Bairstow on the bench!

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Post by alfie on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:14 pm

eirebilly wrote:That was a scary over from Mustafizur...

Indeed . He is looking dangerous...

With both players over fifty and playing well , I'll be so bold as to say if they can see Mustafizur off in this spell England will be massive favorites.

That is "if" . Not sure how many he will bowl in this spell but I'll be glad to see him off...as will the batsmen. Of course he will be awkward at the death too ; but not sure the other bowlers will be able to restrain them enough to make that count...


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Post by alfie on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:21 pm

Hales getting a bit overexcited there against Mustafizur...steady , lad ...no need to rush.
Glad to see Root have a chat with him then. The innings is on course so nothing silly needed.

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Post by eirebilly on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:34 pm

Hales just could not control himself in the end...
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Post by alfie on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:36 pm

Aargh ! Leg spin filth gets the break...

Hales throws away a century...but well played. clap

He leave the team in a good position ; though Root's limp bothers me ...

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Post by eirebilly on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:36 pm

Great knock all the same though.

I would have been tempted to get Buttler in myself.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:50 pm

Got no problem with Hales going for that there - pretty selfless to not just be looking to knock a few singles to get to a hundred, just mistimed the shot - no problem attacking the part time leggie!

England will have to royally screw this up to lose from here
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Post by wisden on Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:13 pm

108 needed from 15, with 8 wickets in hand...we really should be getting home from here..

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Post by VTR on Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:13 pm

Very comfortable run chase in the end, once England started to attack the end came very quickly. Root will get man of the match but Plunkett's wickets were key to allow a generally low risk run chase to be undertaken

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:53 pm

Easy win, especially considering we lost our best seamer after just 2 overs.

Have to hope that Root isn't badly hurt - because it seems Woakes will be out for the tournament. If we lost both I'm not sure we'd be able to overcome it.

Oh and also stop being stupid and play Rashid you idiots
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Post by guildfordbat on Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:15 pm

VTR wrote:Very comfortable run chase in the end, once England started to attack the end came very quickly. Root will get man of the match but Plunkett's wickets were key to allow a generally low risk run chase to be undertaken

VTR - that's bang on.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:19 pm

Well an anticlimactic finish given BD set 306 Sad

So will Woakes play next game....or any games at all ?
is Stokes fit enough to bowl full throttle
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Post by alfie on Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:29 pm

Be surprised if we see Woakes again. Probably a big doubt for the first Test against SA too , alas.

Room for Rashid then , easily. But a bit worried about Ball in the mix - or Willey. Suppose someone will be called up to cover ? Wonder who...

No problems with the batting. Except Roy , of course. And Root - though if he can bat like that hobbling around perhaps he should turn his ankle every week Smile

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:59 am

Rashid for Ball and Willey for Woakes would be my changes for the next game. Think I'd give Roy one more shot
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Post by VTR on Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:06 am

I agree with those bowling changes, but NZ seems the best opportunity to win and get through vs having to beat Australia in the last game, so I'm dropping Roy for Bairstow and letting someone else decide who bats where

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Post by robbo277 on Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:53 am

I wouldn't drop Roy, I'd tell him to give himself some time though. If he doesn't get a ball in his zone, he shouldn't worry about being 5* from 15. He's still got enough time to get on and get a run-a-ball ton.

Neither Root nor Tamim started slogging from ball 1, but Tamim made 128 from 142 at 90 and Root made 133 from 129 at 103.

If Roy faced that number of balls at the type of strike rate he went at when he made his two tons vs Sri Lanka last year, he'd have 170 odd! He just needs to give himself a chance to get there.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:16 am

NZ win the toss and bat vs Aus.

Both teams pace-heavy

New Zealand Team
MJ Guptill, L Ronchi†, KS Williamson*, LRPL Taylor, NT Broom, JDS Neesham, CJ Anderson, MJ Santner, AF Milne, TG Southee, TA Boult

Australia Team
AJ Finch, DA Warner, SPD Smith*, MC Henriques, GJ Maxwell, TM Head, MS Wade†, JW Hastings, MA Starc, PJ Cummins, JR Hazlewood
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Post by jimbohammers on Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:18 am

Interesting team selections. Thought Jeetan Patel would play, home ground and knows conditions.
A lot of batting for both sides

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:25 am

Rain stops play after NZ got off to a brisk start, 67/1 in the 10th.

Guptill out for 26 off 22
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:35 am

NZ have fielded the same top 4 who played in the corresponding (rained off) NZ vs Aus fixture at Edgebaston in the Champions' Trophy 4 years ago (McCullum was due to bat 5)
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:14 pm

Very surprised Lynn isn't playing for Australia
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Post by Galted on Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:46 pm

A bit disappointed with the selections, not much likelihood of commentator howlers. Head and Cummins have some potential but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:42 pm

Match reduced to 46 overs. Ronchi gone for a 43-ball 65, 119/2 off 17.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:05 pm

Ronchi must be near the top of the "bad yet somehow good batsman" in the world list
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:27 pm

50 up for Kane. 176/2 off 28
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Post by Gooseberry on Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:29 pm

Galted wrote:A bit disappointed with the selections, not much likelihood of commentator howlers.  Head and Cummins have some potential but I'm not holding my breath.

Hopefully Willey will get Head in the Aus Eng fixture

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:05 pm

NZ gonna need 330-350 here imo pitch is a belter
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:07 pm

Taylor gone for 46, Williamson accelerating, on 94 off 92. 239/3 off 37.

NZ will get a small boost off Messers Duckworth & Lewis due to the rain delay
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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:07 pm

NZ on the trajectory to a 325 in 46..although they should have sent Neesham or anderson ahead of Broom


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Post by Galted on Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:07 pm

Gooseberry wrote:
Galted wrote:A bit disappointed with the selections, not much likelihood of commentator howlers.  Head and Cummins have some potential but I'm not holding my breath.

Hopefully Willey will get Head in the Aus Eng fixture

Excellent post, Gooseberry, just the sort of effort that has me favouring this forum over the drivel you see on cricinfo.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:16 pm

KP_fan wrote:NZ on the trajectory to a 325 in 46..although they should have sent Neesham or anderson ahead of Broom

Was just about to post that Anderson should've been in, broom isn't the hitter he is
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:19 pm

Galted wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:
Galted wrote:A bit disappointed with the selections, not much likelihood of commentator howlers.  Head and Cummins have some potential but I'm not holding my breath.

Hopefully Willey will get Head in the Aus Eng fixture

Excellent post, Gooseberry, just the sort of effort that has me favouring this forum over the drivel you see on cricinfo.

Cricinfo have just resorted to a Kane & AB(el) pun ...

Ton up for Williamson before he's run out - 100 off 97. 254/4, 41 balls left
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:29 pm

NZ losing momentum Sad
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:48 pm

5-wicket bag for Hazelwood, and he's on a hat-trick. 291/9 with 8 balls left
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:51 pm

Sigh. 291 all out. Last over not required.

6-52 for Hazelwood
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:56 pm

Disappointing effort by the New Zealand lower order that - think they're a good 30-40 runs short
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Post by guildfordbat on Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:04 pm

Hi Pete - even though your boys have put runs on the board, still a very disappointing end to the innings. From 250 odd for 3 with 7 overs left, New Zealand should have been looking to post circa 320 to 335. Always feel that to give up an over is a dreadful waste and gives a real boost to your opponents.

Opening overs of Australia's dig are obviously going to be important. Get 'em 45/2 after 10 and it's looking good for you, 70/0 at the same point and it ain't! Very Happy

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:03 pm

guildfordbat wrote:Hi Pete - even though your boys have put runs on the board, still a very disappointing end to the  innings. From 250 odd for 3 with 7 overs left, New Zealand should have been looking to post circa 320 to 335. Always feel that to give up an over is a dreadful waste and gives a real boost to your opponents.

Opening overs of Australia's dig are obviously going to be important. Get 'em 45/2 after 10 and it's looking good for you, 70/0 at the same point and it ain't! Very Happy

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More rain in the interval - Aus now chasing 235 off 33
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Post by guildfordbat on Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:16 pm

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More rain in the interval - Aus now chasing 235 off 33

That doesn't do New Zealand any favours.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:48 pm

Boult and Milne account for Warner & Finch. Aus 36/2 after 7.

More rain looking likely though Sad
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:57 pm

Milne gets Henriques. 53/3 off 9. And it's raining. Another 11 overs minimum before 7.30 to complete the match
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:03 pm

They'll need to restart at 6.48 to complete 20 overs - Aus will need 174 in that case, or 121 off 11
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:08 pm

Wouldn't say it's looking promising for a result here
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:36 pm

A no result a great result for England here - means they just need to win one of their final two games and they are through right? Net run rate won't come into it?
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:43 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:A no result a great result for England here - means they just need to win one of their final two games and they are through right? Net run rate won't come into it?

Match officially abandoned.

Yep, makes it slightly easier - otherwise England would've needed to beat the loser of NZ vs Aus, or beat the winner and worry about NRR.

If England wins both then NZ and Aus have to start worrying about their NRR


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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:54 pm

unlucky NZ...they dropped off the trajectory of 320..but still had a slightly above par score.

opens up this group more this washout......BD still in with a chance

once it rains and eats up some game time..... and the forecast doesn't look good either.....
they must make a rational decision to restrict the game to 30 overs a side instead of attempting 45 overs a side and failing at getting anything .
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:23 am

Sri Lanka have bowled nicely first up here - restricted South Africa to 32-0 off the first 10
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Post by KP_fan on Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:32 am

wickets is the key these days.....if they get into the last 20 overs with 8 wickets in hand then sides like SA, India and Eng can blast 200 runs in those 20 overs muhc like a T20
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Post by guildfordbat on Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:48 pm

South Africa 225/3 off 41.

Suspect we'll see for the first time in this tournament a team going properly big in the closing overs. Something that Bangladesh and New Zealand failed to do when setting a target.

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