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Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by George Carlin on Sun 04 Jun 2017, 9:12 am

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Blues British & Irish Lions
7 June 2017
KO: 19:35 NZST (8.35am BST)
Eden Park, Auckland

Live on Sky Sports, Sky Sports HD and SkyGo

Referee: Pascal Gaüzère (France)
Touch judges: [tbc]
TMO: [tbc]

A. FORM:

19 June 1993: Auckland 23 - 18 British & Irish Lions

18 May 1983: Auckland 13 - 12 British & Irish Lions

23 June 1977: Auckland 15 - 34 British & Irish Lions

B. TEAMS:

Blues 
15 Michael Collins
14 Matt Duffie
13 George Moala
12 Sonny Bill Williams
11 Rieko Ioane
10 Stephen Perofeta
09 Augustine Pulu

08 Steven Luatua
07 Blake Gibson
06 Akira Ioane
05 Scott Scrafton
04 Gerard Cowley-Tuioti
03 Charlie Faumuina
02 James Parson
01 Ofa Tu'ungafasi

16 Hame Faiva
17 Alex Hodgman
18 Sione Mafileo
19 Patrick Tuipulotu
20 Kara Pryor
21 Sam Nock
22 Ihaia West
23 TJ Faiane/Melani Nanai

British & Irish Lions

Halfpenny; Nowell, Payne, Henshaw, Daly; Biggar, Webb; McGrath, Owens (captain), Cole, Itoje, Lawes, Haskell, Tipuric, Stander

Replacements: Best, Marler, Sinckler, Henderson, O'Mahony, Laidlaw, Sexton, L Williams

C. PREVIEW



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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by king_carlos on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 5:24 pm

Potential side for Crusaders:

1.Vunipola 2.George 3.Furlong 4.AWJ 5.Kruis 6.O'Mahony 7.O'Brien 8.Faletau
9.Murray 10.Farrell 11.North 12.Te'o 13.Davies 14.Williams 15.Hogg

16.Best 17.McGrath 18.Sinckler/Cole 19.Itoje/Lawes 20.Warburton 21.Webb 22.Sexton 23.Daly

If Gatland is looking to give the remaining guys who haven't started a chance on Saturday then that's a potential side. Sexton and Te'o have both started a game already so potential for seeing Sexton at 10 and Farrell at 12 too.

All the back three players other than North and Williams will have started a game after tomorrow so who makes up the back three with those two will be interesting. The 23 shirt is up for grabs too with all centres but JD2 having had a start after tomorrow.

It will be interesting to see whether Gats sticks with getting everyone a start of re-jigs his flankers to get Warburton another start. His skipper's in need of match fitness so it could be prioritised. He could shift O'Mahony to 8, bench Faletau and all his back row will still have had a start.

Saders will be the biggest challenge other than the tests so you'd guess the coaches will look for a strong side.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by The Great Aukster on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 5:40 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:The players who were in the first game and are involved again now in the second game are at a massive disadvantage to the rest of the squad so: Webb, Tipuric, Best, Marler, Sinckler, Henderson, Laidlaw and Sexton are almost excluded now from Test starting selection.




So every one else who played in the first game is a "TEST" starter? Including AWJ. Oh well picard Doh .

Interesting non sequitur.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by The Great Aukster on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 5:44 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:Aukster don't often say this but I believe your conclusion is nonsense Sorry

You don't think that the players who have had longer to train in the conditions with their new colleagues before having to impress the coach have an advantage? Care to elaborate?

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by The Great Aukster on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 5:47 pm

king_carlos wrote:Potential side for Crusaders:

1.Vunipola 2.George 3.Furlong 4.AWJ 5.Kruis 6.O'Mahony 7.O'Brien 8.Faletau
9.Murray 10.Farrell 11.North 12.Te'o 13.Davies 14.Williams 15.Hogg

16.Best 17.McGrath 18.Sinckler/Cole 19.Itoje/Lawes 20.Warburton 21.Webb 22.Sexton 23.Daly

If Gatland is looking to give the remaining guys who haven't started a chance on Saturday then that's a potential side. Sexton and Te'o have both started a game already so potential for seeing Sexton at 10 and Farrell at 12 too.

All the back three players other than North and Williams will have started a game after tomorrow so who makes up the back three with those two will be interesting. The 23 shirt is up for grabs too with all centres but JD2 having had a start after tomorrow.

It will be interesting to see whether Gats sticks with getting everyone a start of re-jigs his flankers to get Warburton another start. His skipper's in need of match fitness so it could be prioritised. He could shift O'Mahony to 8, bench Faletau and all his back row will still have had a start.

Saders will be the biggest challenge other than the tests so you'd guess the coaches will look for a strong side.

Has the look of an 80% test side, and Warburton will start as captain.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 5:48 pm

Why are you bothered auk? You watching?

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by robbo277 on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 7:36 pm

Aukster

But Gatland will have had an idea before they came out to tour who he was going to pick. He's given everyone a chance and he has enough time to reward tour form.

He probably picked his first 3 teams before they went out near enough. With 41 different players needing 45 starting shirts, he doesnt have that much flexibility. But then after that he has plenty of flexibility. He can pick his Maori side after the Crusaders game when he's had a good look at everyone, then pick his second midweek side from the residual.

Everyone he's impressed with gets one more look before he picks his test side after the Maori game, again filling players in the midweek team after.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by Gwlad on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 8:35 pm

The Maori game is 1 week before the test, reckon he will pick what is essentially his test side - probables- for that game, with possibles on the bench.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by The Great Aukster on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 10:34 pm

robbo277 wrote:Aukster

But Gatland will have had an idea before they came out to tour who he was going to pick. He's given everyone a chance and he has enough time to reward tour form.

He probably picked his first 3 teams before they went out near enough. With 41 different players needing 45  starting shirts, he doesnt have that much flexibility. But then after that he has plenty of flexibility. He can pick his Maori side after the Crusaders game when he's had a good look at everyone, then pick his second midweek side from the residual.

Everyone he's impressed with gets one more look before he picks his test side after the Maori game, again filling players in the midweek team after.

100% agree robbo (with the first bit anyway). Gatland had already pencilled in his teams based on his research over months. So the players who play in games 1&2 rather than 2&3 are pre-selected by him and therefore are disadvantaged in their attempts to impress because:
1. they have less time to gel and acclimatise
2. Gatland has already preconceived notions of his Test team so someone will have to be stellar to overcome those
3. the players who had decent games against the weakest first side will not have the same kudos as those playing the Crusaders
4. Gatland knows that a flash in the pan performance against a SR side should only colour his selection in a limited capacity otherwise most of his plans would be shredded

The 'warm up games' are not to find his Test selection but rather be a platform to give his preselected combinations practice. He may tweak one or two positions but to think it would be any more than that is naive.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by Scottrf on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 10:52 pm

I think it was probably more to do with not picking players who has just played for their clubs than trying to give others a duff hand.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by Pot Hale on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 1:18 am

Scottrf wrote:I think it was probably more to do with not picking players who has just played for their clubs than trying to give others a duff hand.

Agreed. A good few of us were able to pick the entire first team before it was announced based on who went into Lions camp first.
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by The Great Aukster on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 6:38 am

It will therefore be interesting to see who hasn't played until the Crusaders game that wasn't involved in finals.
Whatever the reason - it's a disadvantage.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 7:30 am

Anyone got a work suitable way of watching this??

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by munkian on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 7:44 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Anyone got a work suitable way of watching this??

Depends how suitable your work is Wink

Im using my mate's sky account to watch on my mobile. Are you able to use certain 'sites' in work ?
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 7:57 am

Not the sites I usually use to watch these games!

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by EST on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:05 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Not the sites I usually use to watch these games!

Speaking of which, anybody got any links they could PM me - my go to site isn't great these days.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by eirebilly on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:07 am

*Edit* not working RDW?
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:12 am

eirebilly wrote:*Edit* not working RDW?

Sorry had to remove the reference there. I'm sure they will be but even with ad block you get dodgy pop ups and the potential for viruses and it's not worth getting fired over!

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by robbo277 on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:15 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
eirebilly wrote:*Edit* not working RDW?

Sorry had to remove the reference there. I'm sure they will be but even with ad block you get dodgy pop ups and the potential for viruses and it's not worth getting fired over!

Yeah, but only just!

I'm listening on TalkSport if anyone needs to settle for radio commentary. Think they have the exclusive right of radio broadcast in the UK.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by eirebilly on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:19 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
eirebilly wrote:*Edit* not working RDW?

Sorry had to remove the reference there. I'm sure they will be but even with ad block you get dodgy pop ups and the potential for viruses and it's not worth getting fired over!

Then I do not know, sorry bud.

I can post regular updates here if ye like?
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by Griff on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:37 am

robbo277 wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
eirebilly wrote:*Edit* not working RDW?

Sorry had to remove the reference there. I'm sure they will be but even with ad block you get dodgy pop ups and the potential for viruses and it's not worth getting fired over!

Yeah, but only just!

I'm listening on TalkSport if anyone needs to settle for radio commentary. Think they have the exclusive right of radio broadcast in the UK.

Thanks Robbo. Was about to ask for a good radio commentary link.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by RiscaGame on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:39 am

Good start this until the penalty conceded.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by eirebilly on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:40 am

Payne nearly in there after a mess up in the Blues caused by his aggressive defence.
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by ebop on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:41 am

Payne knocked it on missed by ref
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by eirebilly on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:42 am

SBW with a turnover and a strip on CJ already in the match, he is looking in fine form.
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:42 am

I'll listen on the radio but detailed updates would be helpful!

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by eirebilly on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:42 am

ebop wrote:Payne knocked it on missed by ref

No it wasn't...
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by ebop on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:43 am

Try to Reiko, nice try
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by eirebilly on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:44 am

Score for the Blues, bad midfield defence drew Nowell in and Ioane had too much pace on the outside and goes in.
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by ebop on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:45 am

Missed conversion

5-0 Blues 9 mins gone
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by bsando on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:45 am

wow! Nowell got smoked!
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by yappysnap on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:46 am

That pass for the try!

Literally none of our Lions could pass like that.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by LondonTiger on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:47 am

Poor defense all round from the Lions - from Daly and 1/2p at the cross kick and Haskell/Nowell on that big pass.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by yappysnap on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:47 am

Dan Cole and Biggar linking there...

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by eirebilly on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:47 am

Payne looks to be in, in the corner.
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by ebop on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:49 am

Foot on the line by the looks
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Post by yappysnap on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:49 am

LondonTiger wrote:Poor defense all round from the Lions - from Daly and 1/2p at the cross kick and Haskell/Nowell on that big pass.

Got to give credit as well to the Blues. It's rare that the ball gets to the wing like that usually.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by ebop on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:49 am

No try
Nice play by the Lions though
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by RiscaGame on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:49 am

Nowell doing a Cuthbert.

Lions blew that. They all seemed to pass too early without committing anybody.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by eirebilly on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:50 am

Unfortunately an excellent cover tackle see's Payne's foot go into touch.
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by bsando on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:50 am

yappysnap wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Poor defense all round from the Lions - from Daly and 1/2p at the cross kick and Haskell/Nowell on that big pass.

Got to give credit as well to the Blues. It's rare that the ball gets to the wing like that usually.

Harsh on 1/2 penny he made a good tackle
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Post by eirebilly on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:51 am

RiscaGame wrote:Nowell doing a Cuthbert.

Lions blew that. They all seemed to pass too early without committing anybody.

How do you figure that? Haskell went in for the tackle and exposed Nowell who had to come in and as such was out of position. Not sure how Nowell was in the wrong there, more Haskell.

Payne playing excellently leading the defensive and attacking lines.
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by LondonTiger on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:52 am

Two try chances for Lions/Payne not easy but we have to make them - then dumb offside at the lineout from midfield.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by eirebilly on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:53 am

I will add this, Webb and Biggar are playing well so far. Very quick ball from them.
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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:54 am

Tuperic is playing a blinder here.

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by eirebilly on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:55 am

LordDowlais wrote:Tuperic is playing a blinder here.

He is everywhere, brilliant match from him so far.
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by eirebilly on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:56 am

CJ Stander is in Very Happy
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by ebop on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:57 am

Sensational rolling maul try from the Lions
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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:57 am

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by yappysnap on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:58 am

So that's the game plan now, get the pen, kick to touch and work the maul.

Almost 20 mins in and sick of the Sky commentary though!

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Re: Blues v British & Irish Lions, 7 June

Post by RiscaGame on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:58 am

eirebilly wrote:
RiscaGame wrote:Nowell doing a Cuthbert.

Lions blew that. They all seemed to pass too early without committing anybody.

How do you figure that? Haskell went in for the tackle and exposed Nowell who had to come in and as such was out of position. Not sure how Nowell was in the wrong there, more Haskell.

Payne playing excellently leading the defensive and attacking lines.

Pretty similar to Wales v England I thought.

Plus as Greenwood said, Nowell had turned in.

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