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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Mon 05 Jun 2017, 8:03 am

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:10 pm

Samo wrote:
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Pr4wn wrote:Now there's a man that's a true embarrassment.

What an embarrassment being Mayor of London for 8 years.

Doesnt stop him being any less of an embarrassment.

It does when he did a good job, he probably uses words a bit too big for you to understand.

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Post by Pr4wn on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:10 pm

Indeed, London is now a more congested, more polluted city with a cablecar that can't be used, watercannos bought that are illegal, and a dead-in-the-water airport scheme that was a total waste of money.

As FS, Boris has been a disaster, offending dignitaries from other countries and generally being kept under wraps by May, for fear of yet more humiliation.

He's toast.

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Post by GSC on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:12 pm

Post Brexit/Give Boris is damaged goods but he's had public opinion before that most leaders would kill for
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Post by Pr4wn on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:15 pm

Quite, amazing how he managed to screw all of that up.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:15 pm

London just felt altogether a bit safer with Johnson as Mayor compared to now.

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Post by Pr4wn on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:17 pm

Oh, so nothing objective. Just something subjective.

Ok, then.

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Post by GSC on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:17 pm

Cameron underestimated Boris once.

Only one of them is left standing...
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Post by Galted on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:18 pm

Crimey wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Now there's a man that's a true embarrassment.

What an embarrassment being Mayor of London for 8 years.

He's basically Mr Bean, except underneath his stupid, bumbling persona is a nasty liar. Nobody should respect him as a serious politician.

I've always viewed him as a marginally less cuddly Paddington Bear.
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Post by Scottrf on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:20 pm

GSC wrote:Cameron underestimated Boris once.

Only one of them is left standing...

Underestimated the stupidity of the British public maybe.

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Post by Galted on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:21 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Indeed, London is now a more congested, more polluted city with a cablecar that can't be used, watercannos bought that are illegal, and a dead-in-the-water airport scheme that was a total waste of money.

As FS, Boris has been a disaster, offending dignitaries from other countries and generally being kept under wraps by May, for fear of yet more humiliation.

He's toast.

It's more congested because more and more people want to live here and watch what you say about our cable car, loads of people use it, they just tend to be tourists and not commuters.
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Post by Crimey on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:22 pm

Galted wrote:
Crimey wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Now there's a man that's a true embarrassment.

What an embarrassment being Mayor of London for 8 years.

He's basically Mr Bean, except underneath his stupid, bumbling persona is a nasty liar. Nobody should respect him as a serious politician.

I've always viewed him as a marginally less cuddly Paddington Bear.

The problem I think is that because he comes across as stupid, he's then viewed as harmless, but he's not. Has a horrible track record of lying, not just to the electorate, but to bosses, his wife, his colleagues, his friends. Pretty all round horrible person.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:25 pm

Jeremy Corbyn though, what a great guy.

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Post by Galted on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:25 pm

Crimey wrote:
Galted wrote:
Crimey wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Now there's a man that's a true embarrassment.

What an embarrassment being Mayor of London for 8 years.

He's basically Mr Bean, except underneath his stupid, bumbling persona is a nasty liar. Nobody should respect him as a serious politician.

I've always viewed him as a marginally less cuddly Paddington Bear.

The problem I think is that because he comes across as stupid, he's then viewed as harmless, but he's not. Has a horrible track record of lying, not just to the electorate, but to bosses, his wife, his colleagues, his friends. Pretty all round horrible person.

Won't disagree with that, perhaps Chucky disguised as Paddington is nearer the mark.
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Post by Pr4wn on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:25 pm

Galted wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Indeed, London is now a more congested, more polluted city with a cablecar that can't be used, watercannos bought that are illegal, and a dead-in-the-water airport scheme that was a total waste of money.

As FS, Boris has been a disaster, offending dignitaries from other countries and generally being kept under wraps by May, for fear of yet more humiliation.

He's toast.

It's more congested because more and more people want to live here and watch what you say about our cable car, loads of people use it, they just tend to be tourists and not commuters.

It's more congested because the influx of population (not down to Boris of course, don't be daft) was poorly managed. He spent a ton of money on new buses that were no better than the old ones.

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Post by Pr4wn on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:27 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Jeremy Corbyn though, what a great guy.

Whataboutery though. What a great debating technique.

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Post by Crimey on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:29 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Jeremy Corbyn though, what a great guy.

Compared to Boris Johnson? Absolutely.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:31 pm

Crimey wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Jeremy Corbyn though, what a great guy.

Compared to Boris Johnson? Absolutely.


Sadly not though.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:31 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Jeremy Corbyn though, what a great guy.

Whataboutery though. What a great debating technique.

I unfortunately can't foe you but I now know you're a WUM.

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Post by Galted on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:31 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
Galted wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Indeed, London is now a more congested, more polluted city with a cablecar that can't be used, watercannos bought that are illegal, and a dead-in-the-water airport scheme that was a total waste of money.

As FS, Boris has been a disaster, offending dignitaries from other countries and generally being kept under wraps by May, for fear of yet more humiliation.

He's toast.

It's more congested because more and more people want to live here and watch what you say about our cable car, loads of people use it, they just tend to be tourists and not commuters.

It's more congested because the influx of population (not down to Boris of course, don't be daft) was poorly managed. He spent a ton of money on new buses that were no better than the old ones.

I'm not defending Boris, I'm defending the cable car.
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Post by Pr4wn on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:38 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Jeremy Corbyn though, what a great guy.

Whataboutery though. What a great debating technique.

I unfortunately can't foe you but I now know you're a WUM.

Say what you want, but you're not debating. "YEAH BUT CORBYN" is not a counter-argument. Name-calling isn't either.

But keep making yourself look daft, if that's what you want.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:40 pm

I'm mocking your debating technique but I doubt you have the wherewithal to see that.

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Post by Pr4wn on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:41 pm

Please point out when I've used whataboutery.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:45 pm

I don't debate WUMS.

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Post by Samo on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:45 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't debate WUMS.

Think you've just proven his point.

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Post by Crimey on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:46 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't debate WUMS.

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Post by Galted on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:51 pm

You get a damn good view of the river from the cable car.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 3:58 pm

Tories confident of winning Bolsover...Hope not for Labour's sake.

Come on kids...Gran and Grandad has screwed you over with Brexit.

Get out June 8 and pee on their chips.

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Post by Galted on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 4:03 pm

Just £8.40 for a return. I'd recommend starting from the Greenwich side and not getting off until you're back as Silvertown is a bit sh*t.
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 4:04 pm

Samo wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't debate WUMS.

Think you've just proven his point.

It's a boring and pointless debating style isn't but you didn't have a problem with him doing the same did you.

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Post by Pr4wn on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 4:05 pm

As I said, please point out where I used that.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 4:09 pm

Pr4wn wrote:As I said, please point out where I used that.

Why not let us all move on

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 4:10 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
Galted wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Indeed, London is now a more congested, more polluted city with a cablecar that can't be used, watercannos bought that are illegal, and a dead-in-the-water airport scheme that was a total waste of money.

As FS, Boris has been a disaster, offending dignitaries from other countries and generally being kept under wraps by May, for fear of yet more humiliation.

He's toast.

It's more congested because more and more people want to live here and watch what you say about our cable car, loads of people use it, they just tend to be tourists and not commuters.

It's more congested because the influx of population (not down to Boris of course, don't be daft) was poorly managed. He spent a ton of money on new buses that were no better than the old ones.

Since when has being an idiot been a hindrance in politics.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 8:32 pm

Galted wrote:Just £8.40 for a return. I'd recommend starting from the Greenwich side and not getting off until you're back as Silvertown is a bit sh*t.

You're homeless again, aren't you Galted?

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Post by Galted on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 9:03 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Galted wrote:Just £8.40 for a return. I'd recommend starting from the Greenwich side and not getting off until you're back as Silvertown is a bit sh*t.

You're homeless again, aren't you Galted?

Haha, going to have Jeremy Corbyn on my case to register and giving me fashion tips.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 11:37 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:London just felt altogether a bit safer with Johnson as Mayor compared to now.
Which has bob-all to do with Johnson.
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Post by superflyweight on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 12:13 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:London just felt altogether a bit safer with Johnson as Mayor compared to now.
Which has bob-all to do with Johnson.

Bloody hell - is that quote genuine? He'll be voting for Robocop next time.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 12:23 pm

I'd vote Robocop - guy is on it about national security

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Post by Samo on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 12:51 pm

Robocop 2022. Atleast he'd protect our human rights.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 12:57 pm

Our human rights are going to be massively affected by May's proposals aren't they Doh

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Post by Scottrf on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 12:59 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Our human rights are going to be massively affected by May's proposals aren't they Doh

She says so herself:

“And if human rights laws stop us from doing it, we will change those laws so we can do it.”

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 1:01 pm

Scottrf wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Our human rights are going to be massively affected by May's proposals aren't they Doh

She says so herself:

“And if human rights laws stop us from doing it, we will change those laws so we can do it.”


She's says the laws will be changed so we can do more about extremists, those changes won't affect you or I one little bit.

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Post by Scottrf on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 1:01 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Our human rights are going to be massively affected by May's proposals aren't they Doh

She says so herself:

“And if human rights laws stop us from doing it, we will change those laws so we can do it.”


She's says the laws will be changed so we can do more about extremists, those changes won't affect you or I one little bit.

Well they wont affect me.

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Post by Samo on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 1:16 pm

Its a small step towards totalitarianism. You change one persons human rights you change everyones.

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Post by Scottrf on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 1:18 pm

Samo wrote:Its a small step towards totalitarianism. You change one persons human rights you change everyones.

Don't be horrible to the terrorists is one of the left-est posts I've seen.

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Post by Crimey on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 1:22 pm

Samo wrote:Its a small step towards totalitarianism. You change one persons human rights you change everyones.

Exactly. People are so short-sighted if they can't see why removing human rights protections put in place could cause serious issues for people in the future. The definition of "extremist" can change and whilst you and I aren't defined as such in the future, history has shown that it's possible for views we now consider acceptable to be categorised as such and giving the government the power to silence is not something I am personally happy with. Checks and balances are a good thing and ensuring nobody has too much power is generally safer for everybody. It was one of the parts of the EU I was most in support of, is that it provided another layer of checks and balances to avoid corruptions of power. 

I am also against torture and execution and as the major protection of human rights laws has so far been at deporting suspected terrorists to countries where these practices are carried out, I would rather we use more civilised forms of justice.

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Post by Crimey on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 1:24 pm

Scottrf wrote:
Samo wrote:Its a small step towards totalitarianism. You change one persons human rights you change everyones.

Don't be horrible to the terrorists is one of the left-est posts I've seen.

Having some people be exempt from having human rights goes against the very principle of human rights and has the potential to cause major problems in the future. The definition of terrorist can change and history has shown that often the "terrorists" are on the right side of history. It's not that black and white at all. Starting to put in exemptions to human rights laws and freedoms is creating the potential for restricting real free speech.

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Post by Scottrf on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 1:27 pm

Crimey wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Samo wrote:Its a small step towards totalitarianism. You change one persons human rights you change everyones.

Don't be horrible to the terrorists is one of the left-est posts I've seen.

Having some people be exempt from having human rights goes against the very principle of human rights and has the potential to cause major problems in the future. The definition of terrorist can change and history has shown that often the "terrorists" are on the right side of history. It's not that black and white at all. Starting to put in exemptions to human rights laws and freedoms is creating the potential for restricting real free speech.

The Terrorism Act is already doing that, and exemptions from human rights isn't what we are talking about. This is specifically about widening the power to restrict access to the country, which other countries are already doing.

If you think they might be on the right side of history you should be on the watch list to be honest.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 1:42 pm

Samo wrote:Its a small step towards totalitarianism. You change one persons human rights you change everyones.


I find it quite disturbing that you're supportive of protecting the rights of people who have and will continue to terrorise this country, killing innocent people in the process. It is their human rights that will be changed not those of law abiding citizens.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 1:44 pm

There should also be concerns for: Human rights being "removed" from people who there isn't legitimate proof of terrorist activities (or the planning thereof). They are then innocent.

Mostly, she should be chastised for how empty a comment it is. Does it actually mean anything? Or is it an unquantifiable promise for a soundbite? It feels to me like they've made a lot of unquantified statements

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Post by Scottrf on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 1:46 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:There should also be concerns for: Human rights being "removed" from people who there isn't legitimate proof of terrorist activities (or the planning thereof). They are then innocent.

Mostly, she should be chastised for how empty a comment it is. Does it actually mean anything? Or is it an unquantifiable promise for a soundbite? It feels to me like they've made a lot of unquantified statements

It's rhetoric yes. What matters is what actual policies and legislation (more likely amendments) come out of it.

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