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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Mon 12 Jun 2017, 1:54 pm

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Stuttgart kicked off today, bloke by the name of Roger Federer(rocking a new hair do) is playing.

Stan Wawrinka has added Paul Annacone to his coaching group, as he continues to search for improvements on grass. Will his morale be badly affected by the drubbing he received in Paris?

Will Andy Murray defend his Wimbledon championship?

Will the real Djokovic ever return?

Will Nadal do anything on grass?

Will a youngster steal the limelight?


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Post by Guest on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 12:56 pm

I have just been checking the British World rankings.  James Ward is down at 1062 and Liam Broady, who had a good junior record - is at 404.   On the women's side, Heather Watson has been outside of the top 100 for quite some time now and Laura Robson who moved into the top 200 a few months ago, seems to be heading out of it again.  Currently Naomi Broady is Britains second ranked women's tennis player at 111.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 1:25 pm

Kokkinakis has nabbed the first set against Raonic on a TB. Kokkinakis saved 8 BPs in that set and didn't engineer one.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:15 pm

And Kokkinakis wins! Also a TB in second set, Raonic lead 6-3 but Kokkinakis saved all three set points and eventually closed it out 10-8. Big upset.

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Post by Guest on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:22 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:And Kokkinakis wins! Also a TB in second set, Raonic lead 6-3 but Kokkinakis saved all three set points and eventually closed it out 10-8. Big upset.
Seems like a classic match between two big servers who maybe aren't so good at returning, with the one able to hold his nerve on the big points winning. This result suggests Kokkinakis is mentally strong. But the first round is different to the latter stages of a tournament, where the pressure and prize money rises.

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Post by Born Slippy on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:27 pm

Great win for Kokkinakis. Only his 6th match in 2 years due to injury. Hope he can stay injury free as he has really high potential.

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Post by sirfredperry on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:29 pm

Just watched most of the Kokk-Raonic match. Raonic's movement and ground strokes, so improved over the last couple of years, looked poor today. He'll need to buck up quick if he is to do anything at Wimbledon.
   Great for Kokk, though, who's had a wretched time of it for many months.

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Post by Born Slippy on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:33 pm

No name Bertie wrote:I have just been checking the British World rankings.  James Ward is down at 1062 and Liam Broady, who had a good junior record - is at 404.   On the women's side, Heather Watson has been outside of the top 100 for quite some time now and Laura Robson who moved into the top 200 a few months ago, seems to be heading out of it again.  Currently Naomi Broady is Britains second ranked women's tennis player at 111.

I'd have thought the two players worth keeping an eye on are Cameron Norrie (just outside the top 200 at 21 and faces Querrey later) and Jay Clarke - inside the top 400 at 18. I doubt any of the other lower ranked British men will make the top 100.

Looks a bit more promising in the ladies, with a few 18-20 year olds just outside the top 200. Robson herself is still only 23 and could still make big strides if she stays fit.

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Post by sirfredperry on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 3:20 pm

Lopez takes the first set 7-6 against Stan the Man, who faltered in the tiebreak after a near-faultless series of service games. Dreadful first round draw for both players.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 3:22 pm

Now Wawrinka drops the first set against Lopez, also on a tie-break. No BPs at all in that set, and less of a surprise given Lopez's grass court pedigree (and Wawrinka's lack thereof) combined with the fact that Lopez has played a few grass court matches already last week while Wawrinka is just off the back of RG.

In danger of seeing second and third seeds both drop out in the first round.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 4:07 pm

Lopez wins 7-6 7-5, breaking to take the match with a very lucky net chord, but overall was probably the better player. Seed number 2 joins seed number 3 in leaving the tournament in the first round.

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Post by Guest on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 4:51 pm

The BBC are showing the Murray vs Thompson (late replacement for Bedene) match free on BBC iplayer. Thompson is ranked 90 in the world (23 year old Australian) - is nowhere near Murrays class but is well conditioned to grass court conditions - so is playing "solidly". At the moment Murray is not imposing himself on the match and looks a little lethargic. 3-2 on serve to Jordan Thompson. I am waiting to see if Murray "clicks" into grass court form.

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Post by Guest on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 4:59 pm

4-3 Jordan Thompson. On Serve. Thompson seems in a slightly better physical condition than Murray so far. Murray is still a little lethargic - seems to be getting to the ball marginally late.

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Post by Guest on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 5:07 pm

5-4 Jordan Thompson. On serve. A few wild shots by Thompson, but some well placed first serves towards the end of his service game allows him to hold reasonably comfortably. Murray going through the motions, hasn't yet clicked, seems marginally slow.

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Post by Guest on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 5:14 pm

6-5 Jordan Thompson. On serve. Murray showing glimpses of his quality. Thompson playing reasonably well but looks to be playing close to his maximum and the impression is that he could be a little brittle if Murray finds another gear.

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Post by Guest on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 5:20 pm

6-6 Tie breaker. Murrays drop shots not really working at the moment. He still hasn't imposed himself.

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Post by Guest on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 5:23 pm

Murray has the mini-break after a double fault from Thompson.

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Post by Guest on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 5:23 pm

Murray double faults to return the favour 3-3 Tie break.

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Post by Guest on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 5:26 pm

6-3 Thompson Tie break. Murray goes a mini-break down after a failed drop shot.

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Post by Guest on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 5:29 pm

Thompson wins the Tie Breaker 7-4. Another weak shot from Murray.

To be honest - Murray is playing lethargically - he seems to be slightly slow to the ball. He shouldn't be losing to Thompson who looks a little brittle. If Murray finds another gear I expect Thompson to lose. Alternately Thompson might just run out of steam.

So Thompson ahead one set to love 7-6.

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Post by Born Slippy on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 5:41 pm

Murray in muppet mode so far today. Basically handed the tiebreak to Thompson and is making countless unforced errors. I'd still expect him to win but it's heavy going.

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Post by Born Slippy on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 5:51 pm

Hmm, Murray drops serve after a couple of forehand errors that hit the back fence. Real trouble now as he hasn't been returning well either.

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Post by Guest on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 6:05 pm

I wish Murray hadn't had announced he would donate his winnings at Queens to the Grenfell victims families - he should have said it afterwards or just did it anonymously.  I can't believe Murray is heading out of this tournament - he seems slow and heavy legged.

So Murray loses 6-7 2-6.  Murray lost the last four games.  It was Murray that ran out of steam - and he wasn't playing well to begin with.
Congratulations to Jordan Thompson - the biggest win of his career.

ps maybe we will find out later that Murray was suffering from a viral bug or something.

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Post by MrInvisible on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 8:03 pm

Lots of big names out of Queen's - who's the favourite to win it now - Tsonga? Dimitrov?

Regarding Murray the lack of grasscourt matches will be a problem for him now - are there any opportunities for him to play any matches before Wimbledon - does that exhibition event at Stoke Poges still exist?

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Post by Belovedluckyboy on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 6:10 am

What about Cilic? He's playing incredible tennis vs Isner, serving very well and returning very well Isner's big serves. I tip him to go far at Queens and at Wimbledon.

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Post by Belovedluckyboy on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 6:11 am

Murray could take a wildcard to play at Eastbourne. Or simply plays an exho.

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Post by barrystar on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 9:36 am

Well well - that's a surprise after the RG renaissance and I'd say comfortably Murray's worst & most disappointing result of the season.  I feel very sorry for him that his well-deserved time at #1 is turning into a bit of an anti-climax.

He's got to get some competitive grass court play underneath his pimpled soles before Wimbledon - it's the first two matches at a slam that the top players need to get under their belts to play into the tournament, and those will be extra-specially nervy for Andy this year, particularly if he's up against a big server or two.  Even with this horror result, if he gets through them I reckon he'll be OK for a deep run.
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Post by sirfredperry on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 2:49 pm

J-W T now out of Queen's as the seeds tumble. Muller served very well, although Tsonga seemed subdued. 
   Mummy Azarenka came back from the brink, saving MPs, to win her comeback match in Majorca.
   Those concerned about Murray's exit at Queen's may be reassured by the fact that he's sometimes lost early at Queen's but NEVER at Wimbledon.


Later: Dimi beats Benneteau in entertaining three-setter. After a slow start, Dimi looked good - moving well and hitting well. He needed to be at his best as the Frenchman put up a good show.
   Now watching 18-yr-old Canadian Shapovalov who's taken Berych to a first-set tiebreak. The teenager has some amazing shots, including a big-kicker second serve and a single-handed BH. A real talent.


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Post by sirfredperry on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 8:29 am

Shapovalov did well to take Berdych to 7-5 in the third. Tomas had to play extremely well and steadily to beat him.

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Post by Guest82 on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 11:38 am

Regarding the British rankings - Ward has been injured for a year or so, hence the low ranking.

Jay Clarke won his first ever challenger match this week. Plays Marchenko today (I think).

Lloyd Glasspool (Mr Heather Watson) is another with talent, think he's been playing college tennis in America, but if he concentrates full time has top 100 potential

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Post by sirfredperry on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 6:24 pm

Fed thru in straight sets against M Zverev in Halle. With Thiem out, Pouille out and Nishi retiring Fed ought to win this now. Just following the scores it looks as if Mischa put up a good fight.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 6:48 pm

sirfredperry wrote:Fed thru in straight sets against M Zverev in Halle. With Thiem out, Pouille out and Nishi retiring Fed ought to win this now. Just following the scores it looks as if Mischa put up a good fight.

He played well.,. gave Federer a run for his money.. Fed took tumble but was ok

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Post by barrystar on Fri 23 Jun 2017, 10:24 am

Federer now moves into #4 seeding position for Wimbledon, if he wins Halle he'll get to #3.  Since there is no sign of Wawrinka accepting a WC for Eastbourne like Djoko, or Antalya (Turkey - too far since he's in the UK!), it's all but certain that the top 4 seeds are the Big 4 with the only question is between #3 and #4.
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Post by sirfredperry on Fri 23 Jun 2017, 11:34 am

Just seen a few clips of the Fed- M Zverev match. The German played really well. Wonder what he might have achieved earlier in his career but for injuries. Doubt big seeds will want to meet him early at Wimbledon.

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Post by lags72 on Fri 23 Jun 2017, 11:47 am

sirfredperry wrote:Fed thru in straight sets against M Zverev in Halle. With Thiem out, Pouille out and Nishi retiring Fed ought to win this now. Just following the scores it looks as if Mischa put up a good fight.

I thought Mischa played extremely well, and - even though he didn't manage to take a set - looked every bit as good as a top tenner on yesterday's performance. That said, Federer was guilty of many uncharacteristic U/E's and it eventually hinged on occasional bits of quality/magic at key moments (the first set TB, and then the solitary break of the match in the 2nd).

Re your "Fed ought to win this now" ..... hmm. Maybe not so straightforward as that chin  Mischa's brother Alexander is still around ...... and he downed the Fed here in last year's SF.

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Post by Guest on Fri 23 Jun 2017, 5:38 pm

Dan Evans attitude to training has been questioned in the past - in terms of a lack of commitment.  He has just been revealed as a coke-head.  Well he has failed a drugs test for cocaine.   In the past that was a two year ban.  I think nowadays it could be a four year ban - but I am not sure.
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Post by sirfredperry on Fri 23 Jun 2017, 5:44 pm

Fed thru in straights against Mayer. In London Dimi was taken to three sets by Medvedev who actually was a break up in the third before a strong finish from Grigor. Cilic and Muller thru in the other quarters.

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Post by Guest on Fri 23 Jun 2017, 5:47 pm

Daniil Medvedev looks like an interesting player. He looks ungainly - all arms and not much muscle - but has good timing and skill.

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Post by sirfredperry on Fri 23 Jun 2017, 8:43 pm

Lopez, despite looking extremely tired, hangs on to beat Berdych in three sets at Queens. Another guy no one will want to face at Wimbledon.

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Post by lags72 on Fri 23 Jun 2017, 9:21 pm

With such early exits by the top three seeds, one might reasonably think that Queens would be diminished this year as a contest. But the reality is that we have four worthy semi-finalists, all of whom have been producing high quality tennis ; and any one of whom could go on to take the trophy : Cilic, Dimitrov, Muller and Lopez have all been great to watch.

Likewise, an interesting SF line-up over in Halle consisting of Federer, A.Zverev, Gasquet and Khachanov ......nothing too shoddy there Cool

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Post by sirfredperry on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 12:16 pm

Queen's must have been thrilled at the depth of the competition this year, especially after Rafa and delpo had to pull out. Tricky to predict a winner from the semi contenders.

Later: Fed thru to final in Halle, although he had to ward off two set points in second set against Khachanov. Kvitova makes final in Birmingham. Muller and Cilic into a deciding set at Queen's after Cilic failed to take numerous chances in the second set.

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Post by Guest on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 4:03 pm

Cilic vs Muller has turned into an interesting contest. It looked like Cilic was going to win in straight sets as Muller was looking tired. But Muller has got a second wind from somewhere and things look more even 6-3 5-7 3-2 and on serve.

Cilic is a good player but he is not a great returner and seems just a little mechanical in his movement and play rather than fluid - and I think it is this that creates the large gap between him and the "top four".

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Post by sirfredperry on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 5:38 pm

Cilic thru finally, although really he should have won in straights. Dimi, frustratingly, has just thrown away the first set against the ever-consistent-on-grass F. Lopez. 
   Halle final will be a repeat of the Fed-Zverev semi of a year ago. Fed admitted he would have to play better than today in his semi if he's to win tomorrow.

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Post by sirfredperry on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 7:39 pm

Some remarkably consistent stuff from F Lopez takes him thru to the final at Queen's. Just wonder how highly ranked the Spaniard would be if all matches were played on grass.

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Post by Guest on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 7:40 pm

Good win for Lopez against Dimitrov.  His returning in the final set made the difference.  He looked like he was running on fumes - I think he has been playing nearly every day for two weeks now.

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Post by lags72 on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 1:12 pm

What's going on in the Halle Final ...... Headscratch

The bright new, young talent Sasha Zverev is proving less of a challenge for old pensioner Federer than brother Mischa ...... suffering a breadstick in a first set lasting just 22 minutes ; and then managing just three games in the second.

All done. Federer Express.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 1:29 pm

He was pathetic on that performance his brother will have to win the doubles final single handed
That match was a big zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Rolling Eyes

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Vamos Lopez!

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 4:27 pm

Vamos Vamos Feli

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Post by temporary21 on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 4:50 pm

VAMOS FELI!! 
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Brilliant he deserved it .. Yahoo clap

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