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Post by TheSquaredCircle on Wed 14 Jun 2017, 11:34 pm

So it's confirmed.....mayweather vs Conor McGregor.
The lay public and mostly MMA fans will be most enthused by this fight. I think it's the start of a WWE style entertainment farce. People will be going crazy on social media about the legitimacy of this fight and how it's the greatest thing to ever happen. The reality is that it is chalk and cheese fighting......might as well pair Andy Murray up with Freddy flintoff for the WBA belt. The spanner in the works could be mayweather along lay off and age. Is this a horrendous scam fight or should we be excited that boxing is reaching even more platforms?

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Post by Dylan1979 on Wed 14 Jun 2017, 11:55 pm

You're damn right it's a joke fight! We all know what's going to happen.
Conor will lose a scripted fight against a tranny.

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Post by TheSquaredCircle on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 12:02 am

It'll probably be another pac may style anti-climax. Mainly a treat for the glitterati who want there hands on a ticket to make maximum exhibit of their monetary prowess.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 9:19 am

Typically underwhelming Mayweather choice of opponent

Forgivable though if Floyd using this as a stay in shape fight with the intention of fighting winner Spence/Thurman next summer

Fighting Spence or Thurman would be a stylish way for Mayweather to finish his career

Just can't believe anyone could be interested in watching him fight McGregor just don't get the interest in the fight at all wouldn't even stay up to watch it

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Post by AdamT on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 9:40 am

Fight Spence for 40mill and slightly enhance your legacy?

Fight a novice in a joke fight, make 300m and add nothing to your resume?

I know what I would do.

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Post by milkyboy on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 10:21 am

From a business perspective you have to give mcgregor his due. as for Floyd, well TBE is following in the footsteps of the greatest, ali.

We can only hope that like the boxers v wrestlers/sumo etc from the past, that it's a one off.

I'll try and bury my head in the sand while panto season kicks off.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 10:33 am

AdamT wrote:Fight Spence for 40mill and slightly enhance your legacy?

Fight a novice in a joke fight, make 300m and add nothing to your resume?

I know what I would do.


You know what would be a lovely move from Floyd seeing as he will never be able to spend the interest off his interest(provided Ellerbe doesn't overskim)  a touch of philanthropy , give his entire purse to good causes. We all know that's not going to happen but if ever a human being could use winning a few hearts and minds that person would be Floyd

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 10:34 am

Herman Jaeger wrote:
AdamT wrote:Fight Spence for 40mill and slightly enhance your legacy?

Fight a novice in a joke fight, make 300m and add nothing to your resume?

I know what I would do.


You know what would be a lovely move from Floyd seeing as he will never be able to spend the interest off his interest(provided Ellerbe doesn't overskim)  a touch of philanthropy , give his entire purse to good causes. We all know that's not going to happen but if ever a human being could use winning a few hearts and minds that person would be Floyd
Lets see you get in the ring and donate your purse first.
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Post by AdamT on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 10:39 am

I am definitely on the side of camp, that this fight is a farce. The build up will be trashy, but entertaining none the less.

Floyd would beat Thurman/Garcia in a one sided boring decision. The same will happen with Conor, but he makes 10 times the money! Real fans might hate it, but this is all about making money. Nothing else!

The good news for boxing fans, is Canelo and GGG is just after this. Also Ward vs Kovalev before it.

I believe everybody on here will watch the fight, even if they claim they won't.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 10:42 am

Scottrf wrote:
Herman Jaeger wrote:
AdamT wrote:Fight Spence for 40mill and slightly enhance your legacy?

Fight a novice in a joke fight, make 300m and add nothing to your resume?

I know what I would do.


You know what would be a lovely move from Floyd seeing as he will never be able to spend the interest off his interest(provided Ellerbe doesn't overskim)  a touch of philanthropy , give his entire purse to good causes. We all know that's not going to happen but if ever a human being could use winning a few hearts and minds that person would be Floyd
Lets see you get in the ring and donate your purse first.

Who do you want me to fight?

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Post by AdamT on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 10:43 am

Herman Jaeger wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Herman Jaeger wrote:
AdamT wrote:Fight Spence for 40mill and slightly enhance your legacy?

Fight a novice in a joke fight, make 300m and add nothing to your resume?

I know what I would do.


You know what would be a lovely move from Floyd seeing as he will never be able to spend the interest off his interest(provided Ellerbe doesn't overskim)  a touch of philanthropy , give his entire purse to good causes. We all know that's not going to happen but if ever a human being could use winning a few hearts and minds that person would be Floyd
Lets see you get in the ring and donate your purse first.

Who do you want me to fight?

If you're any good, Hammersmith would be my choice! Cool

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 10:44 am

AdamT wrote:I am definitely on the side of camp, that this fight is a farce. The build up will be trashy, but entertaining none the less.

Floyd would beat Thurman/Garcia in a one sided boring decision. The same will happen with Conor, but he makes 10 times the money! Real fans might hate it, but this is all about making money. Nothing else!

The good news for boxing fans, is Canelo and GGG is just after this. Also Ward vs Kovalev before it.

I believe everybody on here will watch the fight, even if they claim they won't.

Agree - plus, love him or hate him, everyone will watch Mayweather in the hope he either gets sparked - or just to watch him embarrass Conor.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 10:44 am

Conor might kick him in the head. Who knows what can happen?

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Post by Atila on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 10:44 am

This is not the same thing as Ali v the Japanese wrestler. That 'fight' was an exhibition. Mayweather v McGregor is being sold to the public as a serious fight.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 11:21 am

Sorry Adam but I don't beat up the handicapped.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 11:27 am

Thats a relief I wouldn't like to see hammer on a bad day

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Post by AdamT on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 11:29 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Sorry Adam but I don't beat up the handicapped.

Very Happy

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 11:35 am

TheSquaredCircle wrote:So it's confirmed.....mayweather vs Conor McGregor.
The lay public and mostly MMA fans will be most enthused by this fight. I think it's the start of a WWE style entertainment farce. People will be going crazy on social media about the legitimacy of this fight and how it's the greatest thing to ever happen. The reality is that it is chalk and cheese fighting......might as well pair Andy Murray up with Freddy flintoff for the WBA belt. The spanner in the works could be mayweather along lay off and age. Is this a horrendous scam fight or should we be excited that boxing is reaching even more platforms?

Boxing became a farce long ago, you just haven't realised yet

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Post by milkyboy on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 11:55 am

Atila wrote:This is not the same thing as Ali v the Japanese wrestler.  That 'fight' was an exhibition. Mayweather v McGregor is being sold to the public as a serious fight.

You know that, I know that and we both know it's going to crop up as an excuse!

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 11:58 am

You guys have short memories.

These sort of match ups are part and parcel of boxing

Ali had a few exhibition fights with Japanese wrestlers
Forman fought 5 guys in 1 night
Primo fought a Kangaroo
David Haye fought Harrison

So this exhibition farce is nothing new.

I look at it this way its not a fight that we as purists should acknowledge but for the infamous moderate fans who really have no understanding of the game.


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Post by AdamT on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 12:02 pm

It will be no worse than Bellew v Nathan

As I predicted, There will be a lawsuit if Conor kicks Floyd. He boxes, or he loses a lot of money. I knew this stipulation would be added.


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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:31 pm

Anyone who thinks Connor has any chance in this fight is crazy

If Floyd wants to he can end this inside a round

We all know what happens if boxers get caught flush on the chin, Floyd just needs to land even remotely clean and this fight is over

Its a novice vs one of the all time greats

Floyd will probably drop him sooner than he expects then back off to make it less of a farce

Unless they stack the undercard with interesting fights, I won't be watching

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Post by AdamT on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:33 pm

I don't think Floyd can end this in a round. He is a far superior boxer, but he is smaller and Conor can take a shot. This at least goes 9 rounds. I think it will go the distance.

Floyd doesn't care about winning in style. He just wants huge money and to make sure he wins.

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:46 pm

BoxingFan88 wrote:Anyone who thinks Connor has any chance in this fight is crazy

If Floyd wants to he can end this inside a round

We all know what happens if boxers get caught flush on the chin, Floyd just needs to land even remotely clean and this fight is over

Its a novice vs one of the all time greats

Floyd will probably drop him sooner than he expects then back off to make it less of a farce

Unless they stack the undercard with interesting fights, I won't be watching

You obviously are crazy, while it may be hard for McGregor to win the fight if you think Mayweather can win easily by knockout you are crazy

MMA fighters pack a bigger punch than boxing and that will negate much of McGregors power

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:48 pm

MMA fighters don't punch harder at all, what an odd statement.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:49 pm

You guys drastically under estimate how bad of a mismatch this is

Punching is about a delivery system, just as much as strength

Floyd would put himself in a position to land clean on the chin

Just wait and see

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:49 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:MMA fighters don't punch harder at all, what an odd statement.

A sport that is about PUNCHING, is not as good at punching as MMA laughing

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:50 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:MMA fighters don't punch harder at all, what an odd statement.

I said they pack a bigger punch, the difference in gloves offers less protection so the punches have a greater effect

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:52 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:MMA fighters don't punch harder at all, what an odd statement.

I said they pack a bigger punch, the difference in gloves offers less protection so the punches have a greater effect

That doesn't affect punch power in the slightest.

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:53 pm

marty2086 wrote:You obviously are crazy, while it may be hard for McGregor to win the fight if you think Mayweather can win easily by knockout you are crazy

MMA fighters pack a bigger punch than boxing and that will negate much of McGregors power
The standard is lower than he's fought in his last 40 professional fights. Probably ever.

McGregor has 0 boxing fights. His boxing is against guys worrying about takedowns. He looks absolutely horrible boxing. Mayweather has decent power, and McGregor wont be used to the speed. KO at nearly evens is a steal IMO.
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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:54 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:MMA fighters don't punch harder at all, what an odd statement.

I said they pack a bigger punch, the difference in gloves offers less protection so the punches have a greater effect

That doesn't affect punch power in the slightest.

Laugh

Take a shot from someone with a boxing glove then have them hit you with an MMA one on then try telling me that

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:55 pm

marty2086 wrote: Laugh

Take a shot from someone with a boxing glove then have them hit you with an MMA one on then try telling me that

Maybe it hurts more but I don't think you understand the mechanics of a knockout. It's about displacement, and the padding serves to protect the hands not the brain.
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:04 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:MMA fighters don't punch harder at all, what an odd statement.

I said they pack a bigger punch, the difference in gloves offers less protection so the punches have a greater effect

That doesn't affect punch power in the slightest.

Laugh

Take a shot from someone with a boxing glove then have them hit you with an MMA one on then try telling me that

That isn't power is it Marty.

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:05 pm

Scottrf wrote:
marty2086 wrote: Laugh

Take a shot from someone with a boxing glove then have them hit you with an MMA one on then try telling me that

Maybe it hurts more but I don't think you understand the mechanics of a knockout. It's about displacement, and the padding serves to protect the hands not the brain.

It does both

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:10 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
marty2086 wrote: Laugh

Take a shot from someone with a boxing glove then have them hit you with an MMA one on then try telling me that

Maybe it hurts more but I don't think you understand the mechanics of a knockout. It's about displacement, and the padding serves to protect the hands not the brain.

It does both

Marty it appears your trying to go upstream without a paddle.

This has nothing to do with power AT ALL.

If I punch you full on in the face with ice on my hands, gloves on or even tea towels, the punches will be thrown the same way, same power, all with different effects due to padding.

Nothing to do with power

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:11 pm

No it doesn't hence why they've got rid of headguards in amateur boxing.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:12 pm

MMA fighters don't hit harder.

Punch power is about timing and speed, as well as brute force. Though with Conor being the bigger guy, power might not be the issue.

He will struggle very badly with Floyd's speed and movement. Conor has good timing in mma, but he has never seen anyone with Mayweather speed. People talk about age, but Floyd will be the one that looks 28.

It's a mismatch, but I will watch. F..k it!

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:16 pm

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/vault/boxing/hits-harder-mma-vs-boxing-gloves

Using an instrumented heavy bag that measures force, National Geographic took former UFC Heavyweight champion Bas Rutten into the gym to have him punch the bag without wearing gloves, wearing MMA gloves, and again with a boxing glove.

The study showed that without a glove, the bare-fist bone-on-bone strike landed almost 370kilos of force, causing the brain to rattle against the skull and could possibly injure the strikers hand.

The MMA gloves are 2CM worth of padding which lessoned the strike to 295kilos, while adding extra protection for the knuckles and hands.

While the boxing glove has many times the padding of MMA gloves, 6CM worth of foam was able to create 290 kilos worth of force…just 5 kilos lighter than the MMA gloves.

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:19 pm

And obviously it's inconceivable that a professional specialist could bridge a 1.7% gap in power, with the added protection to hands. Not to mention the fight being 2.4 times as long.

Sounds like the most unscientific test ever too. First link you found?
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Post by AdamT on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:23 pm

If Floyd stops Conor, it will be due to accumulation and fatigue. Floyd will not miss. Also I think Floyd will work his body a lot. Conor has shown stamina issues in MMA. Boxing has 12 rounds, MMA just has 5.

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Post by melv500 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:29 pm

marty2086 wrote:http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/vault/boxing/hits-harder-mma-vs-boxing-gloves

Using an instrumented heavy bag that measures force, National Geographic took former UFC Heavyweight champion Bas Rutten into the gym to have him punch the bag without wearing gloves, wearing MMA gloves, and again with a boxing glove.

The study showed that without a glove, the bare-fist bone-on-bone strike landed almost 370kilos of force, causing the brain to rattle against the skull and could possibly injure the strikers hand.

The MMA gloves are 2CM worth of padding which lessoned the strike to 295kilos, while adding extra protection for the knuckles and hands.

While the boxing glove has many times the padding of MMA gloves, 6CM worth of foam was able to create 290 kilos worth of force…just 5 kilos lighter than the MMA gloves.

Marty they will both be wearing boxing gloves mate Wink

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:30 pm

AdamT wrote:If Floyd stops Conor, it will be due to accumulation and fatigue. Floyd will not miss. Also I think Floyd will work his body a lot. Conor has shown stamina issues in MMA. Boxing has 12 rounds, MMA just has 5.

MMA also has grappling, his stamina has suffered when he gets taken to ground and had a bigger guy lying on him

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:32 pm

marty2086 wrote:
AdamT wrote:If Floyd stops Conor, it will be due to accumulation and fatigue. Floyd will not miss. Also I think Floyd will work his body a lot. Conor has shown stamina issues in MMA. Boxing has 12 rounds, MMA just has 5.

MMA also has grappling, his stamina has suffered when he gets taken to ground and had a bigger guy lying on him
And Hopkins said MMA was homosexual Rolling Eyes How wrong was he.
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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:34 pm

Scottrf wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
AdamT wrote:If Floyd stops Conor, it will be due to accumulation and fatigue. Floyd will not miss. Also I think Floyd will work his body a lot. Conor has shown stamina issues in MMA. Boxing has 12 rounds, MMA just has 5.

MMA also has grappling, his stamina has suffered when he gets taken to ground and had a bigger guy lying on him
And Hopkins said MMA was homosexual Rolling Eyes How wrong was he.

Obviously hadn't watched Mayweather fight, seems to be a grappling expert

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:36 pm

That article is actually about impact force not power Marty, the smaller surface area of a fist compared to a glove increases the impact.

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:42 pm

Kind of like arguing over whether Ashton Eaton is wearing flats or spikes to race Mo Farah.
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Post by AdamT on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 2:43 pm

marty2086 wrote:
AdamT wrote:If Floyd stops Conor, it will be due to accumulation and fatigue. Floyd will not miss. Also I think Floyd will work his body a lot. Conor has shown stamina issues in MMA. Boxing has 12 rounds, MMA just has 5.

MMA also has grappling, his stamina has suffered when he gets taken to ground and had a bigger guy lying on him

Wasn't too much grappling in the Diaz fights. Also he is meant to be conditioned for grappling. Is he conditioned to take punches from the best boxer in the sport? Floyd is a defensive genius, but if he decides to let his hands go, he could give Conor a beating.

I think he will throw plenty of straight rights and work the body to slow Conor down.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 4:09 pm

You guys really under rate Floyds power

I watched an interview with Mosley where he said that Floyd hits as hard as Canelo

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Post by owen10ozzy on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 4:22 pm

Cake Walk for Floyd and as has been said, complete mismatch...

That being said I dont think Mayweather will KO him at all let alone with ease. He may stop him late but as has been said that will be down to an accumilation of punches not one punch...regardless of Mosleys belief that he hits as hard as Canelo (is that even saying much given he couldnt take out a shocking Chavez or Matthew Hatton)..

The fight is at 154lbs....and Conor will be the much bigger man come fight night (around 170lbs) and his chin is nothing to be snuffed at when you factor in he has never been stopped and has fought plenty of big hitters in MMA who wear 8ounce gloves (which does make a difference).

Can McGregor win...sure...but i've a better chance of winning the Euromillions and I dont play it!

Is the fight bad for boxing...not particularly if you take it for what it is.. a novelty match up (one im far more interested in than him coming back to fight a Berto type etc). I'll enjoy the build and will tune in for the fight, as I can see the likes of Davies and some other guys on the bill.

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Post by TheSquaredCircle on Fri 16 Jun 2017, 12:21 am

Got to hand it to floyd. His astute tunnel visioned business acumen knows no bounds. This fight has a novelty factor which has the lay fight fan drooling uncontrollably. For the purist it has the hallmarks of a joke match up to line the pockets of one man and one man only. I guess from his perspective if you can do that then why not?!? Does it leave a legacy for the purists, it doesn't for me.

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