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Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by George Carlin on Sun 18 Jun 2017, 12:27 pm

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ChiefsBritish & Irish Lions
20 June 2017
KO: 19:35 NZST (8.35am BST)
Waikato Stadium, Hamilton

Live on Sky Sports, Sky Sports HD and SkyGo

Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Touch judges: [tbc]
TMO: [tbc]

A. FORM:

1993-06-29 
Waikato 38 - 10 British and Irish Lions

1983-07-12
Waikato 13 - 40 British and Irish Lions

1977-07-16
Waikato 13 - 18 British and Irish Lions

B. TEAMS:

Chiefs
1. Siegfried Fisi'ihoi (24)
2. Liam Polwart (2)
3. Nepo Laulala (11)
4. Dominic Bird (25)
5. Michael Allardice (20)
6. Mitchell Brown (14)
7. Lachlan Boshier (15)
8. Tom Sanders (19)

9. Finlay Christie (6)
10. Stephen Donald (c) (100)
11. Solomon Alaimalo (6)
12. Johnny Faauli (5)
13. Tim Nanai-Williams (82)
14. Toni Pulu (21)
15. Shaun Stevenson (21)

16. Hika Elliot (116)
17. Aidan Ross (2)
18. Atu Moli (24)
19. Liam Messam (159)
20. Mitchell Karpik (5)
21. Jonathan Taumateine (6)
22. Luteru Laulala (0)
23. Chase Tiatia (0)

British & Irish Lions
15. Liam Williams
14. Jack Nowell
13. Jared Payne
12. Robbie Henshaw
11. Elliot Daly
10. Dan Biggar
9. Greig Laidlaw

8. CJ Stander
7. Justin Tipuric
6. James Haskell
5. Courtney Lawes
4. Iain Henderson
3. Dan Cole
2. Rory Best (captain)
1. Joe Marler

16. Kristian Dacey
17. Allan Dell
18. Tomas Francis
19. Cory Hill
20. Alun Wyn Jones
21. Gareth Davies
22. Finn Russell
23. Tommy Seymour

C. PREVIEW


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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by LondonTiger on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:27 am

Lions squad playing like guys who are angry (angry to be consigned to the dustbin I guess). While at times this is creating poor decision making (Marler) it is also making them determined.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by ebop on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:28 am

Yeah Nowell has been busy and looking for work
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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by TightHEAD on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:30 am

Marler wasn't that bad, yellow at most . Over reaction from some of you by the looks of it.
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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Scottrf on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:31 am

TightHEAD wrote:Marler wasn't that bad, yellow at most . Over reaction from some of you by the looks of it.

Did you have a good angle in the stands though?

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:31 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Sounds like a decent enough first half from the Lions - could do with getting a bigger lead to avoid the inevitable last 15 capitulation!

And also because our bench is awful.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by LordDowlais on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:31 am

Done Biggar has put a shift in for the 1st half. If he is third choice then the others must be bloody awesome.


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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by ebop on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:31 am

I'm surprised you say that Tighthead as that was worse than the accidental hit by Cane on the Irish guy in Dublin. Go figure.
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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:34 am

"Save for the odd bit of ill-discipline, the Lions have played well and are good value for their half-time lead.

And players like Liam Williams, Jack Nowell and James Haskell - all quiet on tour so far - are looking more comfortable in the Lions jersey.

Dan Biggar and Courtney Lawes have both been excellent as well."

Now watching but I just read this.



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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Fanster on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:34 am

Interestingly Biggar is having to try to shine with what looks like prop passing from Laidlaw, who has to be as far from a test spots anyone out there!

Henshaw is having a decent game, I think he enjoys Biggars line speed, but Payne and Nowell are so weak defencively, they are allover the shop. Luckily Nowell is showing good work rate in attack.

One name noone is mentioning, is Tipuric, he is involved in every cover tackle, every Chiefs breakdown, and is covering every blade of grass!


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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Gooseberry on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:34 am

ebop wrote:Yeah Nowell has been busy and looking for work

Well he needs a job for the weekend

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Fanster on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:35 am

Lawes is going well too, he needs to work harder in defence, but as good as a lock performance we've seen on tour imo

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Gooseberry on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:36 am

ebop wrote:It's just funny, big forwards screaming like girls. We're not used it down in NZ. It's just a weak thing to do.

Unless you slap your thighs and stick your tongue out first right?

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Scottrf on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:36 am

If you were wondering how they get used to the lineout calls, McGrath confirms it's on a forwards whatsapp group.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by LordDowlais on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:36 am

Lawes is having a good game, he just looks like a penalty waiting to happen though. If he can control his emotions, and keep his discipline he could be a fine addition to the test side.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by yappysnap on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:38 am

Sounds like Lawes is having another great game. He must be a starting lock in the Tests now?

Had Nowell improved or was the try a gimme?

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by BigGee on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:40 am

That's why Rory Best won't be playing in the tests. Happens to often

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by marty2086 on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:40 am

yappysnap wrote:Sounds like Lawes is having another great game. He must be a starting lock in the Tests now?

Missing the game but following on BBC website, Moyne saying Lawes is great but others saying Henderson is at his best ripping the ball in the tackle, is a monster at the ruck and running the lineout well




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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by yappysnap on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:41 am

marty2086 wrote:
yappysnap wrote:Sounds like Lawes is having another great game. He must be a starting lock in the Tests now?

Missing the game but following on BBC website, Moyne saying Lawes is great but others saying Henderson is at his best ripping the ball in the tackle, is a monster at the ruck and running the lineout well




So I guess it's between those two and Kruis so far?

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by ebop on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:42 am

Gatland's sooka bubba act during the week is paying dividends now with a blocking call made. Rory Best with two crooked line out throws in a row and gets pinged for the second. Good work ref Wink
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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by LordDowlais on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:42 am

BigGee wrote:That's why Rory Best won't be playing in the tests. Happens to often

This.

It's a shame because the rest of his game is quite decent.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by marty2086 on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:43 am

yappysnap wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
yappysnap wrote:Sounds like Lawes is having another great game. He must be a starting lock in the Tests now?

Missing the game but following on BBC website, Moyne saying Lawes is great but others saying Henderson is at his best ripping the ball in the tackle, is a monster at the ruck and running the lineout well




So I guess it's between those two and Kruis so far?

Kruis and Itoje based on Saturday for me, Henderson and Lawes playing for a bench spot. In terms of impact I think Henderson offers more

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:44 am

marty2086 wrote:
yappysnap wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
yappysnap wrote:Sounds like Lawes is having another great game. He must be a starting lock in the Tests now?

Missing the game but following on BBC website, Moyne saying Lawes is great but others saying Henderson is at his best ripping the ball in the tackle, is a monster at the ruck and running the lineout well




So I guess it's between those two and Kruis so far?

Kruis and Itoje based on Saturday for me, Henderson and Lawes playing for a bench spot. In terms of impact I think Henderson offers more

Yet there's a fair chance AWJ will either be starting or on the bench.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by LordDowlais on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:44 am

ebop wrote:Gatland's sooka bubba act during the week is paying dividends now with a blocking call made. Rory Best with two crooked line out throws in a row and gets pinged for the second. Good work ref Wink

Well perhaps they should stop doing it. What is the difference between that and this shouting at the line out you have focused on ?

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:45 am

And there's confusion as to why Ireland's attack is so blunt. Henshaw is just not good at 12. I can't believe he has genuinely been converted to play there. Every time there has been an attacking opportunity he has butchered it.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by yappysnap on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:46 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
yappysnap wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
yappysnap wrote:Sounds like Lawes is having another great game. He must be a starting lock in the Tests now?

Missing the game but following on BBC website, Moyne saying Lawes is great but others saying Henderson is at his best ripping the ball in the tackle, is a monster at the ruck and running the lineout well




So I guess it's between those two and Kruis so far?

Kruis and Itoje based on Saturday for me, Henderson and Lawes playing for a bench spot. In terms of impact I think Henderson offers more

Yet there's a fair chance AWJ will either be starting or on the bench.


Doh

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:46 am

LordDowlais wrote:
ebop wrote:Gatland's sooka bubba act during the week is paying dividends now with a blocking call made. Rory Best with two crooked line out throws in a row and gets pinged for the second. Good work ref Wink

Well perhaps they should stop doing it. What is the difference between that and this shouting at the line out you have focused on ?

I figure a gentlemen's agreement is in order. The AB's should agree to only block offside players. Granted it won't reduce it a huge amount ... Wink
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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:47 am

Gooseberry wrote:
ebop wrote:It's just funny, big forwards screaming like girls. We're not used it down in NZ. It's just a weak thing to do.

Unless you slap your thighs and stick your tongue out first right?

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by ebop on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:48 am

Lawes with another head clash
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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by ebop on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:50 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:
ebop wrote:It's just funny, big forwards screaming like girls. We're not used it down in NZ. It's just a weak thing to do.

Unless you slap your thighs and stick your tongue out first right?

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by marty2086 on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:52 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
yappysnap wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
yappysnap wrote:Sounds like Lawes is having another great game. He must be a starting lock in the Tests now?

Missing the game but following on BBC website, Moyne saying Lawes is great but others saying Henderson is at his best ripping the ball in the tackle, is a monster at the ruck and running the lineout well




So I guess it's between those two and Kruis so far?

Kruis and Itoje based on Saturday for me, Henderson and Lawes playing for a bench spot. In terms of impact I think Henderson offers more

Yet there's a fair chance AWJ will either be starting or on the bench.

Yet Im not sure why, not sure what he offers that others don't bring to the table

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:53 am

Right time to turn the screw now

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:55 am

Lawes looks groggy. Should he have come back on?
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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by ebop on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:56 am

Nice try
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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:57 am

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:Lawes looks groggy. Should he have come back on?

He's had 2 big head knocks now - I'd be amazed if he was completely fine after both.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by LondonTiger on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:58 am

Chiefs setpiece has been shockingly poor. Good try though.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by LondonTiger on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:59 am

J Nowell & P Try the leading try scorers for Lions?

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 9:59 am

Ben Kay - 'Lions try of the series so far' to be fair there's not much competition for that accolade! Laugh

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by LordDowlais on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:00 am

Four players who have seriously staked at least a claim for the bench spot so far today:-

Dan Biggar
Liam Williams
Courtney Lawes
Jack Nowell

These guys will at least have given the coaches something to think about.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:02 am

LordDowlais wrote:Four players who have seriously staked at least a claim for the bench spot so far today:-

Dan Biggar
Liam Williams
Courtney Lawes
Jack Nowell

These guys will at least have given the coaches something to think about.

Interestingly there's a comment on BBC sport feed asking why Williams is being considered for the tests as he's not had a good tour!

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Scottrf on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:03 am

Well Williams has been absolutely useless this tour but sounds good here!

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Post by ebop on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:03 am

LondonTiger wrote:Chiefs setpiece has been shockingly poor. Good try though.
Missing a lot of players to be fair
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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by BamBam on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:03 am

marty2086 wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
yappysnap wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
yappysnap wrote:Sounds like Lawes is having another great game. He must be a starting lock in the Tests now?

Missing the game but following on BBC website, Moyne saying Lawes is great but others saying Henderson is at his best ripping the ball in the tackle, is a monster at the ruck and running the lineout well




So I guess it's between those two and Kruis so far?

Kruis and Itoje based on Saturday for me, Henderson and Lawes playing for a bench spot. In terms of impact I think Henderson offers more

Yet there's a fair chance AWJ will either be starting or on the bench.

Yet Im not sure why, not sure what he offers that others don't bring to the table

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by LordDowlais on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:03 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Interestingly there's a comment on BBC sport feed asking why Williams is being considered for the tests as he's not had a good tour!

Well I am watching the game, Liam has not taken a step backwards, he is playing a blinder. It's probably just some one eyed fan on the get involved option saying things like that.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Scottrf on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:07 am

LordDowlais wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Interestingly there's a comment on BBC sport feed asking why Williams is being considered for the tests as he's not had a good tour!

Well I am watching the game, Liam has not taken a step backwards, he is playing a blinder. It's probably just some one eyed fan on the get involved option saying things like that.
Or that from his first 4 high balls he gave away 2 pens and a yellow, fell over once and backed out of the other.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Hammersmith harrier on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:09 am

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:Lawes looks groggy. Should he have come back on?


That's his usual look in fairness, always looks on the verge of sleep.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by LordDowlais on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:09 am

Scottrf wrote:Or that from his first 4 high balls he gave away 2 pens and a yellow, fell over once and backed out of the other.

I cannot remember that happening in this game. Rolling Eyes

But I did just see him totally cut the Chiefs defence to pieces and give Payne a stroll over try.


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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by BigGee on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:09 am

Gatland just re-iterating to the called up players that they are second class players by not giving any of them a chance off the bench. What you would have imagined I guess.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:10 am

BigGee wrote:Gatland just re-iterating to the called up players that they are second class players by not giving any of them a chance off the bench. What you would have imagined I guess.

A shame given how big a lead we now have - even giving Funn Russell 20 minutes would have been a benefit.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by Scottrf on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:11 am

LordDowlais wrote:
Scottrf wrote:Or that from his first 4 high balls he gave away 2 pens and a yellow, fell over once and backed out of the other.

I cannot remember that happening in this game. Rolling Eyes

But I did just see him totally cut the Chiefs defence to pieces and give Payne a stroll over try.

Nobody said this game. They said tour.

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Re: Chiefs v British & Irish Lions, 20 June

Post by ebop on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:11 am

LordDowlais wrote:
Scottrf wrote:Or that from his first 4 high balls he gave away 2 pens and a yellow, fell over once and backed out of the other.

I cannot remember that happening in this game. Rolling Eyes

But I did just see him totally cut the Chiefs defence to pieces and give Payne a stroll over try.

Pretty much all he's done
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