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Time to pick our test 1 team yet?

Post by Fanster on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:05 pm

Vunipola Owens Furlong
AWJ Kruis
Warburton SOB
Falatau
Murray
Sexton
Teo
Davies
Watson North
Halfpenny

George
Mcgrath
Sinckler
Itoje
Mahony
Webb
Bigger
Joseph

Lets rip each other to pieces all week...

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Post by Fanster on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:06 pm

Awwww I went to so much trouble trying to align an actual team sheet and it auto reset it back to the left side...

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Re: Time to pick our test 1 team yet?

Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:10 pm

Mine based on what we know today would be.

Mcgrath george Furlong
Kruis Itoje
Pom sob faletau
Murray Sexton
Watson Farrell Joseph North
Halfpenny

Vunipola Owens Sinckler jones Warburton Webb te'o and williams.

Mako jones Warburton te'o and davies start for gatland though.

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Post by BamBam on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:12 pm

I'd swap Williams into starting wing for North but other than that same XV as 7.5

My bench would be Mako, Owens, Sinckler, Lawes, Tipuric, Webb, Teo, Daly

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Post by Winzer on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:23 pm

McGrath, George, Furlong
Kruis Itoje
POM SOB Faletau
Murray Sexton
Teo Davies
Williams Watson
Halfpenny

Vunipola, Owens, Sinckler, Lawes, Tipuric, Webb, Farrell, Daly

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Post by Fanster on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:24 pm

No Mako? or AWJ? seriously think Gatland will do that?

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:27 pm

I guess it depends upon whether we are selecting what we think should be the team, or what it will probably be.

My team (with what I expect to see in brackets):

McGrath
George (Owens)
Furlong
Itoje (AWJ)
Kruis
POM (Warburton)
SOB
Faletau
Murray
Sexton
Watson (North)
Te'o
Joseph (JD2)
Seymour (Watson)
Williams (1/2p)

Owens (George)
Mako
Sinckler
Lawes (Itoje)
Tipuric (POM)
Webb
Farrell
Daly (JJ)

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Post by Exiledinborders on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:32 pm

I would go with:
Vunipola George Furlong
Itoje Kruis
POM SOB
Falatau
Murray
Farrell
Teo
Davies
Nowell
Daly
Watson

Owens
Mcgrath
Sinckler
Lawes
Warburton
Webb
Sexton
Williams

However I expect to see:

Vunipola George Furlong
Itoje Kruis
POM SOB
Falatau
Murray
Farrell
Teo
Davies
North
Watson
Halfpenny

Owens
Mcgrath
Sinckler
AWJ
Warburton
Webb
Sexton
Daly

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Post by Fanster on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:32 pm

Londontiger

So the team I selected above basically, I personally would have Tipuric there nd Williams at FB.

Seymour has done a great job of playing himself out of test contention I think, he looked good for Scotland, and I was a little shocked he was selected over Maitland, but his workrate and end product are not there, he is one of few players clearly out of their depth.

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Post by Exiledinborders on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 2:36 pm

Fanster wrote:No Mako? or AWJ? seriously think Gatland will do that?
I expect Mako to start. Based on the fact that AWJ was protected today I expect he will be on the bench but personally I would leave him out for Lawes.

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Re: Time to pick our test 1 team yet?

Post by Fanster on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 10:35 am

Exiled

Lawes has been good in patches, has taken a couple of headknocks, and been on the cusp of some bad decision making under little pressure, when things ramp up I would expect Lawes to make he mistakes he's threatening to.

Probably deserves to tour, butnot quite test ready (not against the kiwi's anyway)

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 10:36 am

But he's been far better than jones who has been making bad errors.

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Re: Time to pick our test 1 team yet?

Post by Scottrf on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 10:39 am

Fanster wrote:Exiled

Lawes has been good in patches, has taken a couple of headknocks, and been on the cusp of some bad decision making under little pressure, when things ramp up I would expect Lawes to make he mistakes he's threatening to.

Probably deserves to tour, butnot quite test ready (not against the kiwi's anyway)

So Lawes has been great, but he's almost made mistakes.

What a ridiculous post.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 10:39 am

Fanster wrote:Lawes has been good in patches, has taken a couple of headknocks, and been on the cusp of some bad decision making under little pressure, when things ramp up I would expect Lawes to make he mistakes he's threatening to.

Minority Report?

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Post by Fanster on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 11:10 am

Ridiculous to say that when players play wildly, and are allowing the ref to make decisions when under very little pressure, that when that pressure is doubled he won't make the ref make decisions again?

Leave it out will you, Lawes has played well, like Teo, and Sinckler has. Difference is he's facing a challenge of world class in his position, and the risk isn't needed with better options.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 11:11 am

You're wumming now.

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 11:13 am

Fanster wrote:Ridiculous to say that when players play wildly, and are allowing the ref to make decisions when under very little pressure, that when that pressure is doubled he won't make the ref make decisions again?

Leave it out will you, Lawes has played well, like Teo, and Sinckler has. Difference is he's facing a challenge of world class in his position, and the risk isn't needed with better options.

You want the difference? Lawes has been on the edge while playing brilliantly, AWJ has gone over the edge and penalised more than any other player while playing average at best. Why is Lawes the risk?

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Re: Time to pick our test 1 team yet?

Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 11:15 am

Speaking as a Kiwi I'm quite happy AWJ is starting. Big Bad Brodie has owned him every time they've met
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 11:18 am

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:Speaking as a Kiwi I'm quite happy AWJ is starting. Big Bad Brodie has owned him every time they've met

I'm guessing Beauden Barrett is very happy too.

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Post by Fanster on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 11:24 am

I'm not getting into 2 threads of AWJ arguments, it's bad enough listening to Saracens would beat NZ on one thread...

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Post by TightHEAD on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 11:26 am

Fanster wrote:I'm not getting into 2 threads of AWJ arguments, it's bad enough listening to Saracens would beat NZ on one thread...

Had they played them last week instead of Samoa then yes Sarries would be the winners. Yahoo

Sarries have better continuity seeing as they play together more than the under cooked AB's team.
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Post by BamBam on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 11:28 am

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:Speaking as a Kiwi I'm quite happy AWJ is starting. Big Bad Brodie has owned him every time they've met

Big Bad Brodie's grandfather would likely own him too, beats him on the experience front and no one can tell of anything else he offers

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Post by TightHEAD on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 11:31 am

Who would win if England 2003 RWC winners played this current All Blacks team?
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 11:36 am

TightHEAD wrote:Who would win if England 2003 RWC winners played this current All Blacks team?

Some of those '03 fellas are getting on a bit Wink
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Post by TightHEAD on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 11:37 am

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Who would win if England 2003 RWC winners played this current All Blacks team?

Some of those '03 fellas are getting on a bit Wink

Correct. thumbsup

NZ would walk it.
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 12:08 pm

Scottrf wrote:
Fanster wrote:Ridiculous to say that when players play wildly, and are allowing the ref to make decisions when under very little pressure, that when that pressure is doubled he won't make the ref make decisions again?

Leave it out will you, Lawes has played well, like Teo, and Sinckler has. Difference is he's facing a challenge of world class in his position, and the risk isn't needed with better options.

You want the difference? Lawes has been on the edge while playing brilliantly, AWJ has gone over the edge and penalised more than any other player while playing average at best. Why is Lawes the risk?

I don't even think people have watched Lawes play and just make an assumption based on his youtube compilations, they just assume he's making marginal late hits all game every game when in fact he doesn't. I don't even think he's been playing on the edge at all not that it's bad thing when he can clearly control it as he's shown over the past 18 months.

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Post by Fanster on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 2:13 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Fanster wrote:Ridiculous to say that when players play wildly, and are allowing the ref to make decisions when under very little pressure, that when that pressure is doubled he won't make the ref make decisions again?

Leave it out will you, Lawes has played well, like Teo, and Sinckler has. Difference is he's facing a challenge of world class in his position, and the risk isn't needed with better options.

You want the difference? Lawes has been on the edge while playing brilliantly, AWJ has gone over the edge and penalised more than any other player while playing average at best. Why is Lawes the risk?

I don't even think people have watched Lawes play and just make an assumption based on his youtube compilations, they just assume he's making marginal late hits all game every game when in fact he doesn't. I don't even think he's been playing on the edge at all not that it's bad thing when he can clearly control it as he's shown over the past 18 months.

Quite the opposite, I have watched him very closer and he and Dan Bigger have the same issue. Both are too eager, Lawes has been offside a few times and needed to retreat, he's been lucky not to be pinged defensively at a few rucks, offensive rucks he was lucky not to get nailed for going off his feet, hes returned to his feet a few times while carrying ball and being held, and has had a lot of ref direction. Come test time I think refs will whistle these things more often, and thats what I mean. Nothing illegal, just over eagerness, Sickler is probably another player who's been the same, but he hasn't got the competition Biggar and Lawes has for his position.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 2:19 pm

Except jones has given away more pens than anyone and his petulant push in the last match while only on the pitch for 5 min could have cost us the pen try and resulting yellow in our favour.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 2:23 pm

What's the betting nz immediately test out Daly and williams with a couple of high balls after the issues williams has had so far and Daly red against argentina still fresh in the memory.

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Re: Time to pick our test 1 team yet?

Post by Cyril on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 2:23 pm

Fanster wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Fanster wrote:Ridiculous to say that when players play wildly, and are allowing the ref to make decisions when under very little pressure, that when that pressure is doubled he won't make the ref make decisions again?

Leave it out will you, Lawes has played well, like Teo, and Sinckler has. Difference is he's facing a challenge of world class in his position, and the risk isn't needed with better options.

You want the difference? Lawes has been on the edge while playing brilliantly, AWJ has gone over the edge and penalised more than any other player while playing average at best. Why is Lawes the risk?

I don't even think people have watched Lawes play and just make an assumption based on his youtube compilations, they just assume he's making marginal late hits all game every game when in fact he doesn't. I don't even think he's been playing on the edge at all not that it's bad thing when he can clearly control it as he's shown over the past 18 months.

Quite the opposite, I have watched him very closer and he and Dan Bigger have the same issue. Both are too eager, Lawes has been offside a few times and needed to retreat, he's been lucky not to be pinged defensively at a few rucks, offensive rucks he was lucky not to get nailed for going off his feet, hes returned to his feet a few times while carrying ball and being held, and has had a lot of ref direction. Come test time I think refs will whistle these things more often, and thats what I mean. Nothing illegal, just over eagerness, Sickler is probably another player who's been the same, but he hasn't got the competition Biggar and Lawes has for his position.
Sounds awfully like a certain R. McCaw right there.

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Post by Fanster on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 4:04 pm

Are you comparing Lawes to Mccaw?

For the record though, I could never understand how Mccaw got away with a lot of the positions he found himself in, respect the hell out of him but he was afforded a lot of wiggle room by refs

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 4:06 pm

Fanster wrote:Are you comparing Lawes to Mccaw?

For the record though, I could never understand how Mccaw got away with a lot of the positions he found himself in, respect the hell out of him but he was afforded a lot of wiggle room by refs
Good judgement?

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