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Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Ineffable on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 1:05 pm

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HurricanesBritish & Irish Lions
Venue: Westpac Stadium, Wellington
Date: Tuesday, 27 June.
Kick off: 08:35 BST
Live on: Sky Sports 1, from 8am

Lions



1. Joe Marler (ENG)
2. Rory Best (IRE) (Captain)
3. Dan Cole (ENG)
4. Courtney Lawes (ENG)
5. Iain Henderson (IRE)
6. James Haskell (ENG)
7. Justin Tipuric (WAL)
8. CJ Stander (IRE)
9. Greig Laidlaw (SCO)
10. Dan Biggar (WAL)
11. George North (WAL)
12. Robbie Henshaw (IRE)
13. Jonathan Joseph (ENG)
14. Tommy Seymour (SCO)
15. Jack Nowell  Erm  (ENG)

16. Kristian Dacey (WAL)
17. Allan Dell (SCO)
18. Tomas Francis (WAL)
19. Cory Hill (WAL)
20. George Kruis (ENG)
21. Gareth Davies (WAL)
22. Finn Russell (SCO)
23. Jared Payne (IRE)

Hurricanes



1. Ben May
2. Ricky Riccitelli
3. Jeffery Toomaga-Allen
4. Mark Abbott
5. Mark Lousi
6. Vaea Fifita
7. Callum Gibbins
8. Brad Shields (Captain)
9. Te Toiroa-Tahuriorangi
10. Otere Black
11. Julian Savea
12. Ngani Laumape
13. Vince Aso
14. Nehe Milner-Skudder
15. Jordie Barrett

16. Leni Apisai
17. Chris Eves
18. Mike Kainga
19. Janes Blackwell
20. Reed Prinsep
21. K Hauiti-Parapara
22. Wes Goosen
23. Cory Jane


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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:17 am

compelling and rich wrote:hurricanes cant be happy be the trys they have given away, very soft.

They've struggled this season any time they've run up against a decent pack (Crusaders, Stormers, Chiefs)
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by marty2086 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:17 am

Was pretty much all of the Lions team not offside from that kick from Biggar?

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by TJ on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:18 am

compelling and rich wrote:hurricanes cant be happy be the trys they have given away, very soft.

The scots boys play for those interceptions. " the more they practice the luckier they get"

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by marty2086 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:22 am

TJ wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:hurricanes cant be happy be the trys they have given away, very soft.

The scots boys play for those interceptions.  " the more they practice the luckier they get"

Whereas the English boys seem to play to concede penalties

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:22 am

Biggar needs to shut up - shouting at the ref really won't help!

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Griff on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:28 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Biggar needs to shut up - shouting at the ref really won't help!

He used to be like that as a youngster when he first emerged on the scene. He got much better for a few seasons but has slipped back into old ways in the last few years. Not sure why, but not good. Needs a good slap.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by compelling and rich on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:36 am

that will keep him quiet for a bit

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by BamBam on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:36 am

Biggar just got his bell rung, that doesn't look good

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by BamBam on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:38 am

We should keep this tight in the pack now, Hurricanes backs are confidence players don't give them the bloody ball

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Scottrf on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:38 am

RuggerRadge just spaffed everywhere.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Griff on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:38 am

Russell on! Please lets see the positives, and not the negatives such as the possibility of him getting injured, 'messing with his head', losing his confidence, etc.

All the best, Russell thumbsup

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Scottrf on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:40 am

Griff wrote:Russell on!  Please lets see the positives, and not the negatives such as the possibility of him getting injured, 'messing with his head', losing his confidence, etc.  

All the best, Russell thumbsup
Uuurgh forward pass. Get him off.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by compelling and rich on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:40 am

still seem for too static in attack for me, how many times do we catch the ball stood still or the pass slightly poor and have to check their run

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:43 am

Canes trying too hard. Joys of having lots of fringe ABs trying to impress
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by robbo277 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:44 am

Who is Russell on for?

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by compelling and rich on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:45 am

robbo277 wrote:Who is Russell on for?

back off now, biggar had a hia

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by robbo277 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:45 am

compelling and rich wrote:
robbo277 wrote:Who is Russell on for?

back off now, biggar had a hia

Yeah, just seen on Twitter. BBC lacking in salient information as ever...

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by 2ndtimeround on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:47 am

Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by marty2086 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:48 am

2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by rodders on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:52 am

marty2086 wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

Don't worry he plays for the wrong union, he'll have Saturday off.
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by BamBam on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:52 am

Start Kruis and Itoje, get either Hendo or Lawes on the bench, possibly both

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by marty2086 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:53 am

rodders wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

Don't worry he plays for the wrong union, he'll have Saturday off.

Yip Lawes coming off, sounds to me like Gatland made his mind up pre game

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by rodders on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:53 am

marty2086 wrote:
rodders wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

Don't worry he plays for the wrong union, he'll have Saturday off.

Yip Lawes coming off, sounds to me like Gatland made his mind up pre game

Are you surprised?
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by robbo277 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:54 am

Lawes has just come off for Kruis - being earmarked for a test place?

Hard to tell with Gatland though.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Griff on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:54 am

BamBam wrote:Start Kruis and Itoje, get either Hendo or Lawes on the bench, possibly both

Yep, agree.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by BamBam on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:54 am

6-2 bench split anyone

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by marty2086 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:55 am

rodders wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
rodders wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

Don't worry he plays for the wrong union, he'll have Saturday off.

Yip Lawes coming off, sounds to me like Gatland made his mind up pre game

Are you surprised?

More pissed off, he's gotten better with every game and is exactly what was missing on Saturday

Best too has a had a very good game, held that last scrum together too

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by rodders on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:56 am

robbo277 wrote:Lawes has just come off for Kruis - being earmarked for a test place?

Hard to tell with Gatland though.

It's easy to tell with Gats, he's the most predictable coach around.
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by BamBam on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:58 am

If Kruis wasn't crucial to the lineout I'd drop him too

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 9:59 am

You don't think he's going to be bam?

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by robbo277 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:01 am

BamBam wrote:6-2 bench split anyone

Do you go 3-1-2 or 3-2-1?

With Lawes and Henderson you can cover 4/5/6 with a back row covering 6/7/8.

Or you could have Lawes or Henderson covering 4/5 in the main, and two back rows. Potentially Tipuric and Stander? How have they gone today?

And then how do you work the backs? Assuming the starting backs are unchanged, you'd have to have Webb and Sexton? It would leave you a bit exposed if you get a back three injury. So you could consider starting JJ (how's he gone today?) or Daly in the centres, but the centres weren't too bad in the first test.

You could, if you started Stander, O'Brien and Faletau, have 5 forwards with no specialist back row on the bench, as you could have Lawes and Henderson as your locks covering 6, and Stander able to move across. It would be a risk, but you could have a fresh tight 5 for the end period of the game, plus Stander's carrying from the get-go.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by BamBam on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:01 am

I'd still start him just because the lineout was our only success last weekend, and he's the key to it

Gets him another chance for me, partnered with Itoje and POM I reckon we'd be a greater threat on their ball. Lawes/Hendo for impact

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by rodders on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:02 am

marty2086 wrote:
rodders wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
rodders wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

Don't worry he plays for the wrong union, he'll have Saturday off.

Yip Lawes coming off, sounds to me like Gatland made his mind up pre game

Are you surprised?

More pissed off, he's gotten better with every game and is exactly what was missing on Saturday

Best too has a had a very good game, held that last scrum together too

Best has had good tour, there was a couple of missed line outs early on but he's been good overall.

Gatland had more or less made up his mind pre-tour who was in frame for the tests and who would play mid-week.

Given the depth available the bench last week was pathetic and its not co-incidence the Lions fell away in the last 3rd of the game.

AWJ, Halfpenny and Warburton shouldn't even be on tour, let alone in the test 23.
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:02 am

Reckon we'll see any subs?

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:03 am

I'd agree bam. But if I was doing that I'd probably put jones on the bench today.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by 2ndtimeround on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:03 am

Think I'd prefer to see Lawes start with Itoje and Henderson come on for the last half hour, he'd certainly help to combat the All Blacks usuall late surge

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Kingshu on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:04 am

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Griff wrote:
Kingshu wrote:

The 42 Player ratings had Bigger as
Dan Biggar: 6
Overall, a decent night for the Welshman despite the odd poor pass and lucky escape from the sin-bin for a high shot. Made his mark on Stephen Donald and kicked his goals with no fuss.

Where is this from Kingshu?  I looked up Biggar's player ratings yesterday out of interest and could find nothing less than 7 (even NZ media gave him a 7.5)!


Presume it was 42.ie

Thanks Pete.  I hadn't heard of that site before.  Cheers.

It is indeed the42.ie
http://www.the42.ie/lions-chiefs-ratings-3453243-Jun2017/

It is good, I think you may may find it a little to much Irish focused, but the analysis by Murray is very good, and lets you see the game in a different light.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by marty2086 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:04 am

BamBam wrote:I'd still start him just because the lineout was our only success last weekend, and he's the key to it

Gets him another chance for me, partnered with Itoje and POM I reckon we'd be a greater threat on their ball. Lawes/Hendo for impact

I agree, Kruis I think is a good counter jumper along with POM

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by robbo277 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:05 am

rodders wrote:
robbo277 wrote:Lawes has just come off for Kruis - being earmarked for a test place?

Hard to tell with Gatland though.

It's easy to tell with Gats, he's the most predictable coach around.

He started Jones over Itoje despite leaving Jones' involvement against the Chiefs.

He started Daly and Williams with Halfpenny on the bench and left Joseph out despite the latter two not being involved against the Chiefs.

I don't think he'd mind giving Henderson 80 minutes here and using him again on Saturday - whether it's the correct decision or not.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by marty2086 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:06 am

rodders wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
rodders wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
rodders wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

Don't worry he plays for the wrong union, he'll have Saturday off.

Yip Lawes coming off, sounds to me like Gatland made his mind up pre game

Are you surprised?

More pissed off, he's gotten better with every game and is exactly what was missing on Saturday

Best too has a had a very good game, held that last scrum together too

Best has had good tour, there was a couple of missed line outs early on but he's been good overall.

Gatland had more or less made up his mind pre-tour who was in frame for the tests and who would play mid-week.

Given the depth available the bench last week was pathetic and its not co-incidence the Lions fell away in the last 3rd of the game.

AWJ, Halfpenny and Warburton shouldn't even be on tour, let alone in the test 23.

Halfpenny on the bench at the weekend was truly baffling, he's not a player to provide a spark in a game or to help see things out. Agree on him and AWJ, Warburton though was good enough in the 6Ns to get in, he's a big game player which must infuriate Cardiff fans

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by compelling and rich on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:07 am

2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

he has had a superb game, but i also thought lawes had a great game while on. right up there in tackles and carries

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Scottrf on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:08 am

Henderson has been great since the first game, Lawes has been great the whole season.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by BamBam on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:08 am

robbo277 wrote:
BamBam wrote:6-2 bench split anyone

Do you go 3-1-2 or 3-2-1?

With Lawes and Henderson you can cover 4/5/6 with a back row covering 6/7/8.

Or you could have Lawes or Henderson covering 4/5 in the main, and two back rows. Potentially Tipuric and Stander? How have they gone today?

And then how do you work the backs? Assuming the starting backs are unchanged, you'd have to have Webb and Sexton? It would leave you a bit exposed if you get a back three injury. So you could consider starting JJ (how's he gone today?) or Daly in the centres, but the centres weren't too bad in the first test.

You could, if you started Stander, O'Brien and Faletau, have 5 forwards with no specialist back row on the bench, as you could have Lawes and Henderson as your locks covering 6, and Stander able to move across. It would be a risk, but you could have a fresh tight 5 for the end period of the game, plus Stander's carrying from the get-go.

I was saying 6-2 so we can get both Lawes and Henderson on the bench .. agree it'll be tricky in the backs, although Daly arguably covers 13, wing and FB if he starts, Farrell/Davies cover 12, Teo plays both centre spots so we could get away with Webb/Sexton on the bench if the starters are unchanged

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by ebop on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:08 am

Well well well, what do we have here

It's like BOD all over again

Gotta be a red card right

What do you reckon Lions supporters?
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by marty2086 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:09 am

Spot the troll

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by ebop on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:09 am

Just a yellow card, is that all?

Tut tut
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by compelling and rich on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:10 am

compelling and rich wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

he has had a superb game, but i also thought lawes had a great game while on. right up there in tackles and carries

bang on cue henderson gets binned

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by chewed_mintie on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:10 am

ebop wrote:Well well well, what do we have here

It's like BOD all over again

Gotta be a red card right

What do you reckon Lions supporters?

Disgraceful - shoulda been a red card!!!!



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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by prop_lyd on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:11 am

Surely the TMO shouldn't be able to have that much influence. Ref had made up his mind and TMO basically told him he thinks he is wrong. Who has overall control in this game?!?!
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:12 am

Yellow's about right under the current rules. Through the horizontal, lands on shoulder not head.

And Joseph had hold of the other leg so any citing would let them both off under the Dan Evans precedent Wink
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