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Post by Fernando on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 11:58 am

We're live from the Staples Center in Los Angeles as Michael Cole welcomes us. He's joined by Corey Graves and WWE Hall of Famer Booker T.

- We go right to the ring and out comes Roman Reigns to a mixed reaction.

Reigns hits the ring and fans chant for Braun Strowman. Reigns talks about how Samoa Joe put him in the Coquina Clutch last week. Reigns says Braun Strowman then returned and picked his remains like a vulture. Reigns accepts the Ambulance Match challenge for Great Balls of Fire and says he's going to drive Braun straight to hell because this is his yard and he makes the rules. Reigns is interrupted by sirens from an ambulance. We see an ambulance backing up in the arena near the stage.

Reigns drops the mic and heads over to the ambulance. Reigns opens the door but no one is there. Braun attacks from the side and picks Reigns up, launching him across the stage. Braun goes to the stage but Reigns rocks him. Braun catches a Superman punch and launches Reigns into the side of the ambulance. Reigns hits hard and falls to the floor. The ambulance leaves the arena with Reigns in the back. Braun stands tall on the ramp and heads to the back.

- Still to come, WWE Universal Champion Brock Lesnar is here. Also, Finn Balor and The Hardy Boyz vs. Elias Samson, Sheamus and Cesaro. We go to commercial.

- Back from the break and we see what just happened with Reigns and Strowman.

- We go to the ring and JoJo introduces Elias Samson. He has a spotlight, his guitar and the RAW Tag Team Champions with him. Samson says he's usually a solo act but tonight he thought they would form a trio to give the crowd a song they deserve. Samson starts playing but the music interrupts and out comes The Hardys.



The Hardys and Finn Balor vs. Elias Samson, Cesaro and Sheamus

The Hardys come out and wait as Finn Balor makes his entrance. They hit the ring together as their opponents look on.

Matt Hardy starts off with Sheamus and they go at it. Jeff ends up coming in and hitting Poetry In Motion. Everyone gets involved as the heels clear the ring and stand tall. We go back to commercial.

Back from the break and actor Josh Duhamel of Transformers is on commentary. The Hardys go at it with Cesaro. Balor tags in and takes over. Duhamel mentions how he just met Vince McMahon last week. He also reveals that The Buddy Games hits theaters next year with WWE Studios and Sheamus has a role in the movie. Sheamus comes in and works over Balor now. Samson drops Balor with a cheap shot. Cesaro and Samson also come in with quick tags.

More back and forth between the teams. Jeff leaps out from the top but comes back in and gets grabbed by Samson, allowing Sheamus to charge with a big knee. Sheamus with a 2 count on Jeff as we go back to commercial.

Back from the break and Samson is in control of Hardy. Sheamus tags back in and stomps before keeping Hardy grounded. Cesaro is in next as they continue to dominate Jeff. Cesaro knocks Balor down on the apron but turns around to a backdrop from Jeff. Sheamus tags back in and stoops Jeff from tagging. Jeff catches Sheamus with a Twist of Fate out of nowhere.

Jeff finally tags. Matt comes in as Samson does. Matt unloads as the "delete!" chants start up. Fans pop for Matt as he hits Samson with every turnbuckle in the corner. Matt with a bulldog and a Side Effect as Sheamus breaks it up. Sheamus distracts the referee, allowing Cesaro to send Matt into the ring post. Cesaro tags in for a double team White Noise. Cesaro with a 2 count as Balor makes the save. Cesaro argues with the referee over Balor. Matt drops Cesaro and tags in Balor.

Balor takes out Sheamus, Cesaro and Balor. Balor with a running kick to the face on Samson from the apron. Balor fights back in and sends Cesaro to the floor. Sheamus misses a Brogue Kick and gets clotheslined to the floor next. Balor runs the ropes and dives out onto the champions for a big pop. Balor brings it back in and hits a Slingblade on Cesaro. Balor dropkicks Cesaro into the corner next. Balor goes to the top as fans pop. Balor goes for the Coup de Grace but pauses as Sheamus gets on the apron. The Hardys take out Samson and Sheamus, allowing Balor to hit Coup de Grace on Cesaro for the pin.

Winners: Finn Balor and The Hardys

- After the match, Duhamel says his goodbyes to the announcers and we go to replays. Balor celebrates with The Hardys.

- We go backstage to Goldust for another Shattered Dreams production. Goldust says it's showtime. He warns R-Truth and says The Golden Age hits Hollywood tonight. Goldust says he's putting the finishing touches on his masterpiece tonight. Don't we just love a happy ending? The Golden Age is back. Goldust vs. R-Truth is next. Back to commercial.



Goldust vs. R-Truth

Back from the break and out comes Goldust in his retro suit. He also has a cameraman dressed in gold. R-Truth is out next and he's ready to fight. Goldust puts his cameraman in the way and decks Truth with a cheap shot to start. The cameraman is still filming the attack up close as the referee tries to get him out.

Goldust goes to the floor and slams Truth's shoulders into the ring post. The referee warns him. Goldust poses in the corner and looks down at Truth. The bell never rang.

- Charly Caruso is backstage with Paul Heyman. She brings up how social media is on fire because of Brock Lesnar's appearance tonight. Heyman says the Staples Center will be on fire because Lesnar is here to call out Samoa Joe for a fight, a fight Samoa Joe... Joe comes from behind and grabs Heyman for a choke but just teases him. Joe says he's not going to waste the Coquina Clutch on Heyman but he will use it on his client later tonight.

- Still to come, The Ball Family is on MizTV. We go to commercial.

- Back from the break and the announcers hype tonight's women's Gauntlet Match, which will be the main event.

- RAW General Manager Kurt Angle is backstage with Bayley. He spins a ticket tumbler and Bayley picks her spot for the Gauntlet Match but we don't see what she picked.

- We go to the ring for another edition of MizTV. Out comes WWE Intercontinental Champion The Miz with Maryse.



Miz says after exposing Dean Ambrose for the fraud he is, Miz and wife Maryse have never been happier. She rolls her eyes and doesn't look thrilled. Miz says he has an announcement that will change WWE forever. He gives an introduction to his guests for tonight - 15 year old basketball player LaMelo Ball and his outspoken father LaVar Ball. Some of their Big Baller Brand apparel is on display in the ring. LaVar introduces the other guest and calls him the new face of the NBA's LA Lakers - Lonzo Ball.

Miz congratulates Lonzo and he says he's happy to be in the Staples Center as a Laker for the first time. Miz gives LaVar props and says it's an honor to sit in the ring with the family. Miz says the partnership with BBB is a dream come true. LaVar says they only have 3 letters, they're not here for a partnership. LaVar says Miz is a little too low for them right now, they were thinking someone higher than Miz. This leads to LaVar getting up and having words with Miz in the middle of the ring. Miz says he's the Michael Jordan of WWE. LaVar tells Lonzo to handle his light work for him. Miz doesn't want to deal with his kids, he wants to deal with LaVar because all he does is talk a lot. Miz wants him to prove it. LaVar threatens Miz. They take their shirts off and face off but the music interrupts and out comes Ambrose.

Ambrose comes out wearing a BBB t-shirt. LaVar continues to act ridiculous and talk trash to Miz. Ambrose says just a few words before his music hits. He stares Miz down from the stage. We go to commercial before a tag match.



The Miz, Curtis Axel and Bo Dallas vs. Dean Ambrose, Rhyno and Heath Slater

Back from the break and The Balls are gone but we have a tag match. Ambrose goes at it with Curtis Axel. Heath Slater tags in and keeps control before tagging in Rhyno for more offense. Axel turns it around and rams Rhyno back into the corner.

The heels work Rhyno over but he takes shots from Miz and hulks up. Rhyno fights back but Miz whips him hard in the corner and he goes down. Miz keeps control and tags in Bo for some double teaming in the corner. Axel comes back in and keeps Rhyno down in their corner with stomps. Rhyno finally comes out of the corner and floors Axel with a clothesline.

Ambrose gets the tag and unloads on Ambrose. Miz runs in but Ambrose catches him in a swinging neckbreaker. Ambrose takes out Axel and Miz at the same time. Bo gets knocked off the apron. Miz blocks a Dirty Deeds but Slater and Rhyno send him over the top with his partners. The babyfaces stand tall and we go to commercial.

Back from the break and the heels are back in control after Bo took over Slater during the break. Axel works Slater into their corner and tags in Bo for some double teaming. Miz tags in and Bo whips his clothesline into Slater in the corner. Miz with the "yes!" kicks to Slater now as Maryse looks on from ringside. Bo comes back in and works Slater over, talking trash and playing to the crowd.

Axel tags back in and keeps Slater in their corner. Slater finally catches Axel in a neckbreaker. Miz tags in and pushes Ambrose off the apron. Miz turns around to a kick to the face from Slater. Rhyno and Bo tag in at the same time. Rhyno runs over Bo and hits a big thrust in the corner. Bo fights back with headbutts but Rhyno nails a spinebuster for a 2 count as Miz breaks it up. Ambrose chases Miz around the ring and stops him fro going back in. The referee is distracted by this, allowing Axel to nail Rhyno with a cheap shot. Bo takes advantage and rolls Rhyno up for the pin.

Winners: The Miz, Curtis Axel and Bo Dallas

- After the match, the heels leave with Maryse as Ambrose talks trash from the ring.

- We see The Advocate backstage waiting on the arrival of The Beast.

- Cole leads us to a video on the story of Enzo Amore and Big Cass. Fans pop as we see Enzo walking backstage. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and out comes Enzo Amore with a mic. He does his intro and says he's not doing too good but this isn't about him, it's about the realest GUYS in the room. Enzo takes off his jacket and says he's called Big Cass all week, sent him text messages and direct messages, even spoke with his mother, but Cass doesn't want to handle this in private. Enzo says he's done some stupid things and this won't be the last but he doesn't care how stupid he looks standing in the ring tonight - he and Cass have to talk right now. The music hits and out comes Cass to a few boos.

Enzo tells Cass to listen to that reaction. Enzo knows that reactions hurts Cass just like Cass hurt him last week. Enzo knows Cass better than anyone else and knows those words from the reactions hurt. Enzo says Cass was right about some things last week. He's not the biggest guy but does have the biggest mouth and sometimes that mouth bites off more than he can chew but that was always OK because Enzo had Cass to back him up. Enzo says they always ate together because they are brothers. Enzo says Cass may have broken his heart last week and almost broke his face but they are brothers and that's a bond he refuses to let Cass break. Enzo says they are family... forget all this WWE stuff. Enzo goes on and says what Cass did to him is in the past and he doesn't have time to dwell. He goes on about how they are family. Enzo says he has to focus on the future of his family and he refuses to let Cass break that bond before they become Tag Team Champions.

Cass walks over and extends his hand for the mic. Enzo hands it to him. Cass says Enzo just never knows when to shut up. Cass says he has to be honest - he's never been so ashamed in his life after what he did last week. Enzo is annoying and loud, he constantly runs his mouth but that's who he is and Cass accepts him for who he is. They won't change each other but like Enzo said, they are brothers. In front of the world, Cass wants to say to his brother... he's sorry. Sorry for everything he said and did, sorry for the past 5 weeks. Cass asks Enzo to please accept his apology. Cass extends his hand for a shake and they have some words off the mic. They shake to a mixed reaction. Cass tosses the mic and hugs Enzo. They embrace and Enzo gets emotional. Cass takes the mic and says if anyone thought they were going to throw away a lifetime of friendship then there's only one way to describe you... SAWFT. The music hits and they hug again. Enzo and Cass leave together and pose on the stage. Cass raises Enzo's arm but turns and floors him with a clothesline. Cass yells out to the crowd and mocks Enzo. Cass launches Enzo down the ramp and makes his exit.

- Still to come, Seth Rollins. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and Big Cass approaches the announce table. He confronts Corey Graves and says Graves must have some good dirt on Kurt Angle because Angle told him he can't lay a finger on Graves. Cass warns Graves to stay out of his business.



Seth Rollins vs. Curt Hawkins

We go to the ring and out comes Seth Rollins while Curt Hawkins waits in the ring.

Hawkins takes the mic and asks who thinks he's about to win the match, then who thinks he's about to lose the match. He says we'll just have to watch and find out. The bell rings and Hawkins goes to work on Rollins, taking control.

Hawkins with a big clothesline for a 1 count. Hawkins mounts Rollins with rights. Hawkins stands tall and talks some trash as fans boo. Hawkins with another slam for a 1 count. Hawkins with more offense and a suplex for another 1 count. Hawkins keeps Rollins grounded now. Rollins looks to make a comeback but Hawkins fires back. Rollins kicks Hawkins from the apron and nails a suicide dive into the barrier. Rollins brings it back into the ring and hits a Slingblade.

Rollins boots Hawkins in the corner and nails a blockbuster. Rollins springboards in and takes Hawkins down again. Rollins goes for a kick but Hawkins catches it and rolls him up. Rollins counters with a kick to the jaw. Rollins nails the knee to the face for the win.

Winner: Seth Rollins

- After the match, Rollins stands tall until the graphic flashes and Bray Wyatt appears on the big screen. Wyatt cuts a promo and warns Rollins - he is in his mind and he is everywhere. Wyatt reveals that they will face each other at Great Balls of Fire. Wyatt warns Rollins to give in to his true self or he will burn.

- We go backstage to Kurt Angle, Mickie James and Dana Brooke. They draw their numbers for tonight's main event.

- We see Paul Heyman backstage waiting for his client. A car pulls up and out hops the WWE Universal Champion. They walk in and Lesnar looks pissed. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and Sasha Banks is backstage with Angle to draw her number.

- We go to the ring and JoJo introduces Paul Heyman, who is waiting with a mic. Heyman introduces himself and cuts a promo on Samoa Joe, calling him The Samoan Dumbass. Heyman says now is the time for Joe to start fearing Brock Lesnar. Heyman hopes we all have enjoyed the anticipation but now is when the bathroom break is over, now is the time to hit record. This is the moment we will all be talking about tomorrow. Heyman hypes up Lesnar and says he will come to the ring to call Samoa Joe out for a fight. Heyman does the big introduction, the music hits and out comes the WWE Universal Champion to a pop.

Lesnar bounces on the stage and prepares to head to the ring but Joe attacks from behind and tries to get him in the Coquina Clutch. Lesnar fights it but Joe doesn't give up. They fight towards the LED screens and Lesnar sends them into one but Joe keeps the clutch locked. Lesnar is fading as his face turns red. Joe gets Lesnar down to the ground but here comes The Revival and others to break it up. Joe is taken backstage. Lesnar tries to recover but he's in bad shape. We go to commercial.

- Back from the break and we see what just happened to Brock.

Lince Dorado vs. Neville

We go to the ring and out comes Lince Dorado. We see Akira Tozawa at ringside in the special Titus Brand VIP section. WWE Cruiserweight Champion Neville is out next for this non-title match.

Back and forth to start as Tozawa watches from ringside. Dorado eventually dropkicks Neville to the apron and nails another kick to the floor. Dorado runs the ropes and hits a dive to the floor. He brings it back in and hits a crossbody from the top for a 2 count.

Neville grabs for the mask and turns the match around with kicks. Neville goes on and gets the Rings of Saturn applied for the win.

Winner: Neville

- After the match, Neville stands tall and stares down Tozawa from the ring. Neville lays the title down and invites Tozawa into the ring. Tozawa takes off his jacket and enters the ring but the music hits and out comes Titus O'Neil. Titus asks why would they fight for free right now. He just finalized a match between the two at Great Balls of Fire. He hypes Tozawa as the newest member of Titus Worldwide and says we will soon find out if the level of Neville compares with the power of Tozawa.

- We see Emma backstage with Angle to draw her number for the main event. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and we see a replay of the opening segment between Reigns and Strowman.

- Paul Heyman is backstage with Charly Caruso. He admits Lesnar has a problem if Joe gets the Coquina Clutch locked in at Great Balls of Fire. As a promoter, Heyman loves all of this because Lesnar has his back against the wall. Heyman says this won't be a quick fight, it will last all night but Lesnar will finally take Joe to Suplex City and will finally hit him with the F5. Heyman goes on and gets hyped up about the beating Lesnar is going to give to Joe. He walks off.

- Alexa Bliss approaches Nia Jax backstage. Bliss tries relating to Jax and tells her there's not a single woman in the match tonight that can drag her down. Bliss says Jax doesn't need it but she wishes her good luck. Jax says she's right... she doesn't need the good luck because she will see Bliss and the RAW Women's Title at Great Balls of Fire. Back to commercial.

Gauntlet Match: Bayley, Sasha Banks, Nia Jax, Emma, Dana Brooke, Mickie James

We go to the ring and out comes Bayley for tonight's main event. The winner will go on to face RAW Women's Champion Alexa Bliss at Great Balls of Fire. Nia Jax is out next to start the match off.

Nia talks some trash as they meet in the middle of the ring. Bayley stomps on her foot and goes to work but can't knock Jax over. Jax scoops her and launches her into the corner. Jax keeps control dominating Bayley and talks more trash. Bayley finally makes a comeback and covers for a 2 count. Bayley goes right back to work but Nia tries fighting back. Bayley continues focusing on the leg. Nia kicks her back into the corner.

Bayley goes to the top but Nia knocks her down and she lands hard. Nia with the Samoan Drop for the pin. Bayley is eliminated. Mickie James is out next as Nia gets to her feet. We go to commercial.

Back from the break and Nia has Mickie down in the corner. Mickie looks to make a comeback but Nia applies a bearhug. Mickie fights back and gets free. They go on and Mickie nails a Thesz Press from the top. Nia pushes Mickie off but she comes back with a Mick Kick. Nia blocks the DDT and tosses Mickie across the ring. Nia floors Mickie and covers for the pin. Mickie has been eliminated. Dana Brooke is out next.

They meet in the middle of the ring and Dana shoves her. Nia comes right back and goes on to nail a big leg drop for the quick pin. Dana has been eliminated. Emma is out next.

Emma heads to the ring as Nia looks on. Emma slides in but slides right back out. Nia grabs her by her hair. Emma takes advantage and comes in with a dropkick. Emma with another shot for a 2 count. Emma goes to the top for a crossbody but Nia catches her in mid-air and turns it into a Samoan Drop. Nia gets the pin and Emma has been eliminated. Sasha Banks is out next.

Sasha hits the ring and unloads. Nia grabs her but Sasha hits a jawbreaker. Sasha with a big shot to the face, telling Nia to bring it. Nia charges but gets sent to the floor. Sasha goes for a dive but Nia catches her in mid-air. Nia goes for a Samoan Drop on the floor but Sasha rams her into the ring post. Sasha goes to the apron and nails the double knees. Sasha stands tall on the floor as we go to commercial.

Back from the break and Nia has Sasha down in a headlock. Nia tosses Sasha to the floor and takes a breather in the ring. The referee counts while Sasha is down on the floor. Sasha comes back in but Nia sends her to the corner. Nia walks into a big boot. Sasha with knees in the corner, and again. Sasha charges again but Nia catches her and floors her coming off the ropes. Nia covers for a 2 count.

Nia tosses Sasha back to the floor and tells the referee to count. Sasha comes back in and looks to turn it around but Nia drops her. Nia keeps control and mocks Sasha. Nia scoops Sasha and slams her on the mat. Nia drops an elbow and covers for another pin attempt. Nia tosses Sasha back to the floor and tells the referee to count. Sasha comes back in but Nia keeps her down. Nia continues to dominate Sasha, covering for another 2 count. Nia drags Sasha to the corner and kicks her out of the ring again. The referee starts counting but Sasha makes it back in.

Nia grabs Sasha and applies another bearhug. Sasha looks to turn it around with a choke but Nia counters with a suplex. Nia with another 2 count. Sasha blocks a suplex attempt but Nia goes for it anyway. Sasha counters and tries to roll-up Sasha. Nia goes for a leg drop but Sasha moves and she lands hard. Sasha drops Nia with an elbow to the jaw. More back and forth. Sasha tries for the Banks Statement but Nia overpowers her. Nia catches Sasha in a big Samoan Drop but she's slow to make the pin as Sasha rolls under the bottom rope. Sasha fights back from the mat. Nia talks some trash and grabs Sasha by her hair. Nia goes for another big Samoan Drop but Sasha counters into a modified Banks Statement attempt. Sasha with a submission while on Nia's back. Nia goes to both knees as Sasha has the Banks Statement locked.

Sasha keeps the hold locked until Nia taps out for the finish.

Winner and New #1 Contender: Sasha Banks

- After the match, Sasha celebrates as the music hits and out comes RAW GM Kurt Angle to "you suck!" chants and a pop. Angle enters the ring and raises Sasha's arm as her music plays. The music interrupts as RAW Women's Champion Alexa Bliss marches to the ring. Bliss smiles and raises the title in Sasha's face in the middle of the ring. Sasha drops her. Sasha raises the title in the air as Bliss watches from outside of the ring. Bliss tries to grab the title but Sasha pulls it back and raises it again. Sasha's music hits as Angle stands near her in the ring. Bliss gets her title back but Sasha stands tall as her music plays and RAW goes off the air.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Samo on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 1:52 pm

Im more hyped for Lesnar/Joe than anything else WWE have done this year. Perfect booking having Joe choke out Brock, puts the Coquina Clutch over big time, and adds the story of Joe trying to lock it in all match. Oh god its so good.

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 2:01 pm

Only watched the Brock/Joe segment. Any of the rest worth it?

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Post by Guest on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 2:17 pm

Gonna give it a watch tonight, Bleacher Report said aside from the Joe and Brock segment, that Cass and Enzo was a brilliant segment. I think I'm in the minority of liking this. I think Enzo could go on to add something to the cruiserweights division as whilst the in ring action is usually pretty solid, Neville and AA aside there aren't many characters in that division

Wonder how long it will be before Big Cass turns up on SD and beats Ellsworth to a pulp to join up with his real life Mrs

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Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 2:22 pm

I was enjoying the Cass turn until he killed Enzo at the end, thought they where going to team up for a Title match at GBoF and then have Cass kill him then, think it would've added to the story having Cass give Enzo one last chance before finally exploding which could've given both of them a pretty red hot feud to head into SummerSlam with.

Joe/Lesnar was perfect

The Reigns/Strowman segment was bemusing, they've went down the Cena path with Reigns and having him acknowledge the negative reactions and for me it just doesn't work, the pop Strowman got when he sneaked up on Reigns was incredible, I had some sympathy with WWE over Cena in the past when they wanted to reign back to PG14 and wanted Cena to be that generations Hogan, they'd focussed a lot of time on that so understood them sticking to it but I don't think anyone has the hunger to see them do that for the next 6-8 years with Reigns, I like Reigns and don't mind him hovering on the face/heel line but it'd mean so much more if it were against AJ Styles, John Cena, Brock Lesnar, Samoa Joe or Seth Rollins..

If the end game here is to make Strowman a top heel then having him beat up Reigns won't do that and having him lose to Reigns will only build up sympathy for him

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 3:15 pm

Maybe they think they can pull of the monster face with Braun like they did with Taker. Dont think they can myself.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 3:29 pm

He's got not a semblance of the talent

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 3:49 pm

Shame they are fecking up Luke Harper

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Post by GSC on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 5:29 pm

Not sure why, but I'm feeling a Brock demolition job
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Post by marty2086 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 10:07 pm

With the ratings down would they go crazy and have Joe go over?

They could set up Reigns and Joe for Summerslam, Strowman and Lesnar and still have Reigns and Lesnar at WM

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Post by Kay Fabe on Wed 28 Jun 2017, 12:09 am

marty2086 wrote:With the ratings down would they go crazy and have Joe go over?

They could set up Reigns and Joe for Summerslam, Strowman and Lesnar and still have Reigns and Lesnar at WM

I'd not be opposed to see them hot ahotting the belt back and forth between Joe & Lesnar, it would keep the belt in the public eye and also give them more to work with in regard to Lesnar, could keep that feud going to the Rumble

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Post by Kay Fabe on Wed 28 Jun 2017, 12:15 am

Ché Guerrero wrote:Maybe they think they can pull of the monster face with Braun like they did with Taker. Dont think they can myself.

Braun is 33, when Taker was 33 it was 1998-99 and he was in some of the best and most exciting matches of his career and his character was just so on point (the Prince of darkness) - I like Strowman, nothing against him or his push at all but if that's the standard they expect him to reach then hes going to have to improve dramatically, everything, look, character, promo the lot.

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Wed 28 Jun 2017, 8:42 am

Kay Fabe wrote:
Ché Guerrero wrote:Maybe they think they can pull of the monster face with Braun like they did with Taker. Dont think they can myself.

Braun is 33, when Taker was 33 it was 1998-99 and he was in some of the best and most exciting matches of his career and his character was just so on point (the Prince of darkness) - I like Strowman, nothing against him or his push at all but if that's the standard they expect him to reach then hes going to have to improve dramatically, everything, look, character, promo the lot.

I think he is the perfect candidate for a manager/handler, no one i'd trust to do that at the moment though given it can't really be Heyman.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Wed 28 Jun 2017, 10:27 am

Ché Guerrero wrote:
Kay Fabe wrote:
Ché Guerrero wrote:Maybe they think they can pull of the monster face with Braun like they did with Taker. Dont think they can myself.

Braun is 33, when Taker was 33 it was 1998-99 and he was in some of the best and most exciting matches of his career and his character was just so on point (the Prince of darkness) - I like Strowman, nothing against him or his push at all but if that's the standard they expect him to reach then hes going to have to improve dramatically, everything, look, character, promo the lot.

I think he is the perfect candidate for a manager/handler, no one i'd trust to do that at the moment though given it can't really be Heyman.

If Dutch Mantel is healthy he'd be perfect for him but I want to understand his character, all he is atm is a big angry badass and while I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing on some guys I just feel with his size and look he needs more meat on the bones in terms character.

On a side note, I think Enzo could be a very good manager for someone, he's got main event charisma but a curtain jerker in ring appeal

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Kay Fabe on Wed 28 Jun 2017, 10:30 am

gazzyD wrote:Gonna give it a watch tonight, Bleacher Report said aside from the Joe and Brock segment, that Cass and Enzo was a brilliant segment. I think I'm in the minority of liking this. I think Enzo could go on to add something to the cruiserweights division as whilst the in ring action is usually pretty solid, Neville and AA aside there aren't many characters in that division

Wonder how long it will be before Big Cass turns up on SD and beats Ellsworth to a pulp to join up with his real life Mrs

I don't know why they've been in such a rush to split Enzo & Cass, Cass will never be a main event guy IMO, his upper body strength isn't the best, I still don't think he looks entirely comfortable on the mic and he looks like Test without the roids

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by marty2086 on Wed 28 Jun 2017, 10:42 am

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gazzyD wrote:Gonna give it a watch tonight, Bleacher Report said aside from the Joe and Brock segment, that Cass and Enzo was a brilliant segment. I think I'm in the minority of liking this. I think Enzo could go on to add something to the cruiserweights division as whilst the in ring action is usually pretty solid, Neville and AA aside there aren't many characters in that division

Wonder how long it will be before Big Cass turns up on SD and beats Ellsworth to a pulp to join up with his real life Mrs

I don't know why they've been in such a rush to split Enzo & Cass, Cass will never be a main event guy IMO, his upper body strength isn't the best, I still don't think he looks entirely comfortable on the mic and he looks like Test without the roids

Surely would have been even bigger if they had made them tag champs and he turned, just comes across as they had run out of ideas for them so split them up

Doesn't help that there was no logic to the build up to the big reveal, Cass was so fed up and snapped so he snuck up on Enzo and hit him then covered his tracks to do it again. They couldn't even do the recreation of Cass faking being attacked right

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Ché Guerrero on Wed 28 Jun 2017, 10:56 am

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Ché Guerrero wrote:Maybe they think they can pull of the monster face with Braun like they did with Taker. Dont think they can myself.

Braun is 33, when Taker was 33 it was 1998-99 and he was in some of the best and most exciting matches of his career and his character was just so on point (the Prince of darkness) - I like Strowman, nothing against him or his push at all but if that's the standard they expect him to reach then hes going to have to improve dramatically, everything, look, character, promo the lot.

I think he is the perfect candidate for a manager/handler, no one i'd trust to do that at the moment though given it can't really be Heyman.

If Dutch Mantel is healthy he'd be perfect for him but I want to understand his character, all he is atm is a big angry badass and while I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing on some guys I just feel with his size and look he needs more meat on the bones in terms character.

On a side note, I think Enzo could be a very good manager for someone, he's got main event charisma but a curtain jerker in ring appeal

I think part of the reason a manager would make sense is you could build a storyline around how Braun was fixated on destroying people and causing chaos but achieving little. With a handler to focus him and set things up he makes a beeline straight into the title picture. Also whoever that manager is will have much better interaction with Heyman than he will for the inevitable Brock match.

Wish hell could freeze over and they get Cornette to do it.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by marty2086 on Wed 28 Jun 2017, 11:03 am

Dutch Mantells working for Impact these days so doubt you'd see him coming in, Vince hates managers even though there are plenty who would benefit from one

If they go with a Braun/Brock match at some point, transitioning him into a client of Heymans would seem natural after the match

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Ché Guerrero on Wed 28 Jun 2017, 11:37 am

Really depends if Heyman wants to keep going with a guy other than Brock

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Kay Fabe on Thu 29 Jun 2017, 1:13 am

Look at how badly they misused Heyman in 2013, they were so lazy and believed all they had to do was stick someone with Heyman, didn't matter who and it d work, sticking him with Joe Hennig or whatever name he was going by back then was beyond pale, I didn't even like him with Punk, I felt it took a lot away from Punk in a time he really needed to stand alone.

If I could put Heyman with anyone full time right now it would be Joe I feel he"s the most similar guy on the roster to Lesnar, a genuine badass who legitimises matches, it'd never happen but Id love to see Heyman screw Lesner out the title and manage Joe

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Thu 29 Jun 2017, 8:50 am

Hmm Punk didnt need him for sure. But it added an extra layer and motivation for the Best vs the Beast match.

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