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Post by sirfredperry on Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:08 am

Murray, Rafa and Konta among those playing today. Let's hope for no more centre court retirements. Brown is spectacular and unpredictable but will make far too many UEs to worry Murray. (Wonder if someone said the same thing shortly before the German beat Rafa at SW19?).
   Konta lost to Vekic on grass last month but should come thru this time.

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Post by sirfredperry on Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:27 pm

Heather Watson absolutely brilliant in taking the first set 6-0 v Sevastova but now a break down in the second.

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Post by lags72 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:41 pm

Young is a talented player but I very much doubt he can cause Rafa any serious problems. And I am convinced that, if Rafa makes it through the first week unscathed (which I fully expect him to), then his chances of taking the title are equally as good as any of the other favoured ones. I plan to put a sneaky wager on him.

Murray v Brown is a hot ticket. My own hunch is that it could either become very competitive - or a relatively simple, clean win for Andy.

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Post by sirfredperry on Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:48 pm

Watson completes straight-sets win over 18th seed.

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Post by Born Slippy on Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:49 pm

If Andy is fit, then Brown has no chance. He's basically the ideal opponent for Andy. Rafa will annihilate Young - 8 games max in my view.

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Post by lags72 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:57 pm

Yes, your scoreline prediction for Nadal v Young shouldn't be far wrong. I think Rafa will use up less energy than he does in an average practice session.

That said, have we ever seen a tennis player sweat more than Rafa does ...? In his post-match chat the other day (after a relatively short time on court, in fairly ordinary temperatures) he looked as though he had been trekking for hours through a jungle amidst 100% humidity.

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Post by sirfredperry on Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:22 pm

How about seven games for Young, who will he surprise us? Watching Konta v Vekic. Vekic had two set points at 5-3, but didn't get them and subsequently lost the ensuing tiebreak.
   Seem to remember the Croatian was the subject of some rather unsavoury comments during a Kyrgios-Stan the Man match some time ago. Stan is in the players' box watching her today.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:34 pm

lags72 wrote:Yes, your scoreline prediction for Nadal v Young shouldn't be far wrong. I think Rafa will use up less energy than he does in an average practice session.

That said, have we ever seen a tennis player sweat more than Rafa does ...? In his post-match chat the other day (after a relatively short time on court, in fairly ordinary temperatures) he looked as though he had been trekking for hours through a jungle amidst 100% humidity.

I agree Rafa leaks like a colander .. incredible considering he was born and bred here in Spain where the temperatures are reaching 40 deg
and there is Roger looking, for the most part, like has just got out of the shower.. Cool

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Post by temporary21 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:42 pm

Andy Roddick

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:44 pm

temporary21 wrote:Andy Roddick


Wow yes he did Shocked

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Post by lags72 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:57 pm

Well, despite Rafa's profuse sweating (which often seems to begin well inside the first set !!), it rarely, if ever, seems to affect his quality of play.

As for Federer ...... I can't think of any player that seems so totally comfortable in heat. And during some of the hottest AO's (notably 2014 .... and/or maybe 2015 ...) that I've attended in Melbourne, I recall him coming under some criticism in the Aussie press for an apparent lack of sympathy for those who, understandably, do struggle in extreme temperatures. Maybe age will eventually catch up with him in that regard..... who knows.....

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:11 pm

It is obviously in each individuals "make up" some can withstand extremes of temperature  cold/hot whilst others struggle.. they say you acclimatise when you live somewhere long enough, .. not so sure about that ..here hot is hot Yikes

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Post by temporary21 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:27 pm

It's got something to do with intensity as well as biology

Rogers quite chill in general, whereas as Rafa is soo intense i would expect  him to sweat sitting down 

If you wilt in the heat then ofc it's a lack  of conditioning. On the other hand i couldn't admonish someone for getting heat stroke. That can just happen especially when you're low ranked and therefore get all the midday slots with no respite

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Post by naxroy on Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:00 pm

at this pace, nadal could start match at 19:00 london time

does centre court allow night games?

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:11 pm

Well I hope it isn't played under the roof... Rafa will not like that believe me

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:26 pm

Wow that was a match Shocked

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Post by sirfredperry on Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:55 pm

Poor Vekic in tears after gruelling match. Always an advantage serving first in a long final setter. Scoreboard pressure probably told in the end.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:24 pm

They were both running on adrenalin at the end .. it was bound to be a huge let down after the enormous effort by both.. tears were inevitable I think

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:46 pm

Murray in control leading German Dustin Brown 6-3 6-2. Rafa could be out on court for around 6.30pm.
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Post by lags72 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:07 pm

Yes, not much is working here for Brown. Even when he does come up with something special, Murray has shown himself well able to handle it and he's looking very, very solid ; constantly pushing Brown into more & more errors.

Full credit to Murray for a quality performance. We know that Brown can be troublesome when he's on song - as evidenced by a number of past wins over top-tenners.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:16 pm

Murray wins 6-3 6-2 6-2.
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Post by lags72 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:40 pm

Boris and Cash trying their best to make us believe that this will be a genuinely competitive match.

It won't be.

Straights for Rafa.

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Post by Guest on Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:08 pm

At 3-1 to Rafa in the first set, with Donald Young serving Nadal started playing a little strange as if he was starting to practise new shots and new tactics - it was like he began to treat that part of the match as a training session. Boris Becker - who I think is fairly knowledgeable and observant said that Nadal generally learns by training on the courts within competition before matches and between matches. But here it looked to me like Nadal began to train during a competitive match.

Becker is saying Nadal is playing differently on the grass here. Playing more aggressively, following through with his strokes, playing the ball on or in front of the baseline.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:09 pm

lags72 wrote:Boris and Cash trying their best to make us believe that this will be a genuinely competitive match.

It won't be.

Straights for Rafa.

Agreed. But to be fair it is always the way. Pre-Murray match they were talking up Dustin Brown as well. They have to keep the viewers interested. They won't do that by saying Murray/Nadal are in for an easy match.
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Post by Guest on Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:19 pm

Nadal mixing it up including serve and volley.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:20 pm

Very strange play from Rafa at the beginning of that set.. however he changed tactics at the end to win the first set.

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Post by temporary21 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:51 pm

His serve actions a little shortened too I think 

It's not a bad idea to adapt to the conditions. Takes some skill 

He's playing very nicely

Imagine a Rafa Murray and roger Novak semi lineup 

I can dream...

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Post by lags72 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:53 pm

Becker - well-qualified to talk about Wimbledon - seems very very impressed with this 2017 Rafa. And with good reason, I say.

I'm convinced he will take some stopping here this year.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:53 pm

Get many more retirements and your dreams may well come true Wink

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Post by temporary21 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:54 pm

Well there's a cilic sized hole in my dream at the mo 

Without roger. This would be a very very open wimbledon

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Post by Guest on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:04 pm

Nadal is a lot quicker between points and more aggressive on serve.  His left hand, his racket hand, his fingers are individually taped up / bandaged.

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Post by temporary21 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:06 pm

Tells you how much he practices doesn't it

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Post by Guest on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:08 pm

I think Nadal will still have difficulty with a big server that is also handy on return. But I think this looks like an interesting Nadal willing to adapt.

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:11 pm

He has few problems with Raonic, Isner or any of the big servers, Rafa is one of the best returners of serve on tour look at his H 2 H

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Post by lags72 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:12 pm

True .... he rarely has problems with big servers.

In other news ..... anyone heard of this Lajovic guy meeting the Fed tomorrow .....??

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Post by lags72 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:15 pm

edit ..... as long as they're not named Rosol or Brown ......

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:19 pm

And he is not protecting his knees .....

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Post by temporary21 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:21 pm

I've heard of him  
Solid pro I think

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:24 pm

Rafa is winning this match but somebody tell me why I'm feeling uncomfortable watching it.?
I cant put my finger on what is not "quite right"

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Post by lags72 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:25 pm

Many of those serves / shots from Rosol and Brown went past him so fast he didn't have chance to move his knees - let alone worry about 'protecting' them  Shocked

Anyway, right hére, right now he looks as though he was born to play on grass.

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Post by temporary21 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:26 pm

Because you're a Rafa fan. And he keeps losing early at wimby 

Unlike those times though he's playing well. Least young has turned up in this set

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:29 pm

mmmm well if you all say so Erm

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Post by temporary21 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:30 pm

I mean. What aspect of his game do you think is playing badly?

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:34 pm

His serve has not been great and I don't know the stats but I would say he has made his fair share of UE. Hard really when you see the difference in his game from clay to grass. He is unable to slide into the shot like he does on clay and I understand that is not possible but Rafa is notorious in taking a couple of matches to find "his feet"

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Post by lags72 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:36 pm

Indeed.

Young may not be the highest level of opposition. But I cannot for the life of me see any significant weakness in Rafa's performance in this, or in his previous round.

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Post by temporary21 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:41 pm

He's 34 to 14 on unforced 

Remember it's grass so he's gonna make more errors going for more aggressive stuff. But he's over 2:1 in winners to unforced

He's winning 80 percent on first serve and 60 percent on second 

These are excellent stats on grass

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:43 pm

I think he has been, at times, a little tentative. He has to make the changes needed for grass. He must be conscious of his past few performances at Wimby and wants to get a couple more rounds out of the way to boost his confidence

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:44 pm

Yes temp.. I know its me Rolling Eyes

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Post by Haddie-nuff on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:47 pm

And on that note.. Young breaks back Shocked

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Post by temporary21 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:47 pm

Young deserved that. He's been far more intense this set

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