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Post by marty2086 on Wed 05 Jul 2017, 10:42 am

Director of Rugby Les Kiss  
Head Coach Jono Gibbes  
Assistant Coach Dwayne Peel
Scrum Coach Aaron Dundon  
Skills Coach Niall Malone


Players In
John Cooney from Connacht
Schalk van der Merwe from Southern Kings
Jean Deysel from Sharks
David Busby promoted from Academy
Aaron Cairns promoted from Academy
Ross Kane promoted from Academy
Rob Lyttle promoted from Academy
Tommy O'Hagan promoted from Academy
Jack Owens promoted from Academy

Players Out
Franco van der Merwe to Cardiff Blues
Roger Wilson retired
Conor Joyce to Jersey Reds
Mark Best to Jersey Reds
Jonny Murphy to Rotherham Titans
Ruan Pienaar to Montpellier
John Donnan released
Lorcan Dow released
Ricky Lutton released
Stephen Mulholland released

Ulster Rugby 2017/18 Senior Playing Squad

Rodney Ah You (18 ULS, 3 IRE)
John Andrew (27 ULS)
Rory Best (198 ULS, 104 IRE)
Callum Black (128 ULS)
Tommy Bowe (150 ULS, 69 IRE)
Peter Browne (31 ULS)
David Busby (2 ULS)
Aaron Cairns (1 ULS)
Darren Cave (193 ULS, 11 IRE)
Marcell Coetzee (4 ULS, 28 SA)
John Cooney (0 ULS, 1 IRE)
Jean Deysel (0 ULS, 4 SA)
Robbie Diack (193 ULS, 2 IRE)
Craig Gilroy (149 ULS, 10 IRE)
Iain Henderson (74 ULS, 32 IRE)
Chris Henry (165 ULS, 24 IRE)
Wiehahn Herbst (54 ULS)
Rob Herring (120 ULS, 1 IRE)
Brett Herron (7 ULS)
Paddy Jackson (123 ULS, 25 IRE)
Ross Kane (11 ULS)
Louis Ludik (54 ULS)
Robert Lyttle (8 ULS)
Luke Marshall (104 ULS, 11 IRE)
Paul Marshall (195 ULS, 3 IRE)
Kyle McCall (36 ULS)
Stuart McCloskey (58 ULS, 1 IRE)
Johnny McPhillips
Peter Nelson (37 ULS)
Alan O'Connor (39 ULS)
Tommy O'Hagan
Stuart Olding (62 ULS, 4 IRE)
Jack Owens (1 ULS)
Callum Patterson
Jared Payne (78 ULS, 20 IRE)
Charles Piutau (23 ULS, 16 NZ)
Matthew Rea
Sean Reidy (58 ULS, 2 IRE)
Clive Ross (52 ULS)
David Shanahan (13 ULS)
Jonny Simpson (4 ULS)
Jacob Stockdale (24 ULS, 2 IRE)
Kieran Treadwell (21 ULS, 2 IRE)
Andrew Trimble (217 ULS, 70 IRE)
Schalk van der Merwe
Andrew Warwick (74 ULS)

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Post by Pete330v2 on Thu 06 Jul 2017, 8:40 pm

At last, a clean slate for the forum and a clean slate for Ulster.

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Re: Ulster Rugby 2017-18

Post by LordDowlais on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 9:01 am

What are your guys expectations for the coming season ?

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Post by Redman on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 2:09 pm

I'm hopeful we can avoid relegation.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 4:40 pm

LordDowlais wrote:What are your guys expectations for the coming season ?

Pretty low I imagine. Marshall Kilgore will be their player of the season again.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 4:45 pm

LordDowlais wrote:What are your guys expectations for the coming season ?

I expect that the Welsh professional victim squad will infect all of the threads for another season.

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Post by Don Alfonso on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 6:04 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:What are your guys expectations for the coming season ?

Pretty low I imagine. Marshall Kilgore will be their player of the season again.

More likely to be one of the players with the Lions, or Piutau (Pro12 Player of the Season last season), or possibly Stockdale. Maybe Coetzee with a full run.

I'd ask who the Dragons' player of the season might be, but I don't really care and it won't mean anything.

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Post by Pete330v2 on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 6:52 pm

LordDowlais wrote:What are your guys expectations for the coming season ?

I expect to grow some optimism LD, something sadly missing from rugby life in years because at long last the poison has been removed from Ulster. I fully expect a large upturn in performances and nothing less. That would lead to a playoff place at the very least.

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Re: Ulster Rugby 2017-18

Post by marty2086 on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 9:03 pm


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Re: Ulster Rugby 2017-18

Post by geoff999rugby on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 10:13 pm

Given the change in coaching staff I expect us to make Top 4. reckon we have more to offer than Ospreys and Glasgow will miss Townsend
Also I don't believe the Munster squad is any stronger than ours, no Foley effect next year, no Erasmus

Leinster have more and if Scarlets can recreate the rugby of the second half of last season they will also take some stopping

Big confused by Patterson I was told he hasn't got a full contract and is only training on a part time basis as a backup
Also been told Black retained because he has a contract but is definitely on the way out next summer

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Post by marty2086 on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 10:35 pm

I'd heard Patterson was released and then saw his name on the squad list so its a strange one, he seemed like a decent player in the BaaBaas game. Not the best platform but he didnt look out of place

If they don't want Black why not release him? Leicester have released 3 players in Betham, Pietersen and McCaffrey recently because they didn't want them. It seems we need to be a bit more ruthless with players. There are release clauses in coaches contracts, Im sure theres something in players contracts.

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Re: Ulster Rugby 2017-18

Post by LordDowlais on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 6:38 am

Pete330v2 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:What are your guys expectations for the coming season ?

I expect to grow some optimism LD, something sadly missing from rugby life in years because at long last the poison has been removed from Ulster. I fully expect a large upturn in performances and nothing less. That would lead to a playoff place at the very least.

Thanks for the reply. The only proper one on here. Rolling Eyes

I am tipping Ulster for the league this season. OK

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Post by geoff999rugby on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 10:41 am

LD - why did my reply not meet your criteria of being proper Headscratch

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Re: Ulster Rugby 2017-18

Post by clivemcl on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 10:52 am

Anyone else watching Hendy in the background in the Lions aftermath?
Just standing by himself. And happy to do so. I like to think he's thinking about himself and what he wants from his career. Itoje has two years on him. I think he was coming to terms with not kicking on as much as he might have.
Lions selection shows that coaches see his raw talent, but he really didn't show much of it for Ulster this last season.
Let's hope he comes home with ambition and hunger more than he has had in the past.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 10:56 am

Henderson was excellent on tour and very unlucky not to make the bench

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Post by clivemcl on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 10:58 am

I agree Geoff, and he hasn't been that at that level for Ulster. Shows what coaching can do and perhaps he's rediscovered some fervour while away.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 11:08 am

The first step would be to stop faffing about with combinations - get him in that 4 shirt alongside Treadwell at 5 and leave him there.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 11:12 am

You've got it one - fortunately that is the plan

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Re: Ulster Rugby 2017-18

Post by neilthom7 on Fri 14 Jul 2017, 4:25 pm

Personally my expectations for this year are that it is better than last season, if it does that at least we ar eheading in the right direction. Mind you might be tough to not be better.

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Re: Ulster Rugby 2017-18

Post by Don Alfonso on Fri 14 Jul 2017, 8:05 pm

We will miss Pienaar - other than that, I find it hard to imagine that we won't be substantially better this season.

If it's going to be a Pro14 in two conferences, though, there's a touch of all bets being off as everyone will have a fairly tough learning curve in the new format. Very hard to predict.

I'd hope the play-offs. Especially if, as has been suggested, there are six teams in the play-offs.

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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 15 Jul 2017, 9:38 am

Wonder how they'll pick the 7th spot team for European qualification now that there's no country guaranteed spot. Playoff between 4th place teams in each pool?
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Post by neilthom7 on Sat 15 Jul 2017, 4:57 pm

I wonder how they will make the conferences so they are even in quality otherwise you are going to end up with some absolutely farcical playoffs

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Post by Redman on Sat 15 Jul 2017, 9:41 pm

Really excited to see the league expanding but not a fan of the conference system.

Other leagues manage 14 teams. Why can we not have 14 and then do away with the playoff system. Winner takes all. Top of the league is the champion.

That means we only need to find 2 more weeks in the calendar.

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Post by neilthom7 on Sat 15 Jul 2017, 10:11 pm

I guess the question is where do you find those other 2 weeks, do you have them during 6 nations when some teams are going to suffer more than others or do you have them at the end of the season and lengthen the season evene more.

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Post by The Great Aukster on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 8:42 pm

How much does the 6N really skew the table? 26 games is fine with no playoffs.

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Post by marty2086 on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 10:05 pm

Playoffs are money spinners though

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 4:12 pm

Leicester apparently are interested in Arno Botha Shocked

They have been speaking to Blue Bulls No 8 Arno Botha who was due to join Ulster this season.

The Springbok who can also play flanker failed a medial at the end of last season and Ulster abandoned plans to sign him.

The 25-year-old who has suffered a number of injury set backs was due to sign a two-year deal with the Belfast side.

http://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/latest-news/28823/leicester-tigers-move-for-damian-mckenzie-and-a-flanker-show-signs-of-gathering-pace/

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Post by Don Alfonso on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 7:18 pm

http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/40649652

Conferences it is.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 9:57 pm

Don Alfonso wrote:http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/40649652

Conferences it is.

Obviously it will be Leinster and Munster in the same conference. Meaning we play them both only once per season from now on?

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Post by St John The Enforcer on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 10:14 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Don Alfonso wrote:http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/40649652

Conferences it is.

Obviously it will be Leinster and Munster in the same conference. Meaning we play them both only once per season from now on?

If by obviously you mean most unlikely then i almost get it, and why is everyone on about loosing derbies when from the very first Tom English article a few weeks ago it has been stated that all of the derbies will remain. in fact the Scots, Italians and south Africans will play each other 3 times.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 10:18 pm

St John The Enforcer wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Don Alfonso wrote:http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/40649652

Conferences it is.

Obviously it will be Leinster and Munster in the same conference. Meaning we play them both only once per season from now on?

If by obviously you mean most unlikely then i almost get it, and why is everyone on about loosing derbies when from the very first Tom English article a few weeks ago it has been stated that all of the derbies will remain. in fact the Scots, Italians and south Africans will play each other 3 times.

Maybe because every article since has said otherwise and since the BBC are reporting things as fact, as they usually do the day before big announcements because they had a heads up, they are saying its not the case.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 10:33 pm

St John The Enforcer wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Don Alfonso wrote:http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/40649652

Conferences it is.

Obviously it will be Leinster and Munster in the same conference. Meaning we play them both only once per season from now on?

If by obviously you mean most unlikely then i almost get it, and why is everyone on about loosing derbies when from the very first Tom English article a few weeks ago it has been stated that all of the derbies will remain. in fact the Scots, Italians and south Africans will play each other 3 times.

Okay.

Anyone else?

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Post by St John The Enforcer on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 11:51 pm

marty2086 wrote:
St John The Enforcer wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Don Alfonso wrote:http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/40649652

Conferences it is.

Obviously it will be Leinster and Munster in the same conference. Meaning we play them both only once per season from now on?

If by obviously you mean most unlikely then i almost get it, and why is everyone on about loosing derbies when from the very first Tom English article a few weeks ago it has been stated that all of the derbies will remain. in fact the Scots, Italians and south Africans will play each other 3 times.

Maybe because every article since has said otherwise and since the BBC are reporting things as fact, as they usually do the day before big announcements because they had a heads up, they are saying its not the case.

Is this what you mean by saying its not the case

The article you are quoting wrote:The current preference is for two conferences of seven teams playing each other home and away. Within this format, the teams would also play one game against all the sides from the other conference, which would deliver 19 fixtures.

Additionally, each club would also play home and away derby fixtures as well, providing a total of 21 league games.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 11:59 pm

Okay I read that and it didnt register just the first part picard

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Post by Don Alfonso Today at 1:45 pm

Video with Aaron Cairns on UR Twitter.

Referred to as "scrum-half", interestingly.

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Post by marty2086 Today at 1:59 pm

Not the first time either, saw something recently from UR saying the same about him.

Never did make sense switching him to the wing when we are overstocked there and crying out for somebody with a pulse and a decent pass at 9

I noticed Peter Stringer has signed with Worcester for 6 months, surely he would have been worth a 1 year deal ahead of Marshall?

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Post by Don Alfonso Today at 2:23 pm

Stringer's never going to play for Ireland again, so he'd just be blocking a youngster.

And I haven't seen him play in a while now - is he current any good?

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Post by marty2086 Today at 2:41 pm

Marshalls never going to play for Ireland again either

Stringers still got the pass and the brain, something Marshall can be short on which is why it would seem like a better idea getting Stringer for a year as back up to Cooney

He was Sales player of the year for 2015/16 when they finished 6th, not bad at 39

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