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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue 11 Jul 2017, 11:36 am

Current Squad
GK's
Rob Elliot,
Karl Darlow
Freddie Woodman
Matz Sels Season Loan to Anderlecht
Tim Krul - Season Loan to Brighton

Defenders
Ciaran Clark
Jamie Sterry
Javi Manquillo
Paul Dummett
Jamaal Lascelles
Chancel Mbemba
Massadio Haïdara
DeAndre Yedlin
Jesús Gámez
Florian Lejeune
Achraf Lazaar - Season loan in italy

Midfielders
Jack Colback
Matt Ritchie
Jonjo Shelvey
Isaac Hayden
Mohamed Diamé
Rolando Aarons
Jacob Murphy
Mikel Merino
Henri Saivet
Christian Atsu

Forwards
Dwight Gayle
Ayoze Pérez
Joselu
Aleksandar Mitrović
Calum Roberts
Adam Armstrong - Season Loan to Bolton??


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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue 11 Jul 2017, 11:37 am

John,
Do you think Rafa will have a look at Siem de Jong for that "10" spot that he tried a few in last season..?

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Post by Just John on Tue 11 Jul 2017, 12:23 pm

Hopefully not. Siem is garbage & injury prone, hence why we loaned him out & why PSV didn't make that loan a permanent deal.

Depressing window so far. Linked with Alphonse Areola from PSG, so a shame if Darlow goes, and not overly convinced with Adama Traore or the awful, Kieran Gibbs. Jacob Murphy has some potential though

We need to start shipping the deadwood ASAP


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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue 11 Jul 2017, 12:28 pm

Theres not a lot to excite that's for sure.

I wouldn't be surprised to see De Jong in that 10 spot though. I just have a feeling.

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Post by Driver on Thu 13 Jul 2017, 4:23 pm

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Post by Just John on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 5:29 pm

Yoan Gouffran to sign with Goztepe on a three year deal

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 10:16 am

A Turkish side? Ah well. Would you have kept him?

Its really dire the number of signings! And if Gayle gets injured we're goosed up front!

I see they have named a 27 man squad go to Ireland training. A few kids in there aswell Sherry for example who is a full back who showed a lot of potential last season.

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Post by Driver on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 4:44 pm

I wouldn't of kept him.

He had a decent first half of the season, but faded away in the second with Atsu overtaking him as first choice in the left wing. Ritchie , Atsu , Murphy and Aarons are better options outwide than most teams we'll be competing with.

Manquillio also will be done today/tomorrow

Think at the moment we'll roll out with

Elliott
Yedlin
JL
Leguane
Dummett
Hayden
Shelvey
Ritchie
De Jong
Atsu
Gayle

Rafa has said we need another ball player, hence why SDJ started against Hearts
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Post by Just John on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 4:59 pm

Pretty awful side, in all honesty. Just about crawled over the line last season, and it hasn't progressed at all really over the summer.

Not sure why Elliott should be no.1. Dummett is awful at left back &  De Jong is a disaster waiting to happen. He wasn't good enough two years ago, and not good enough now. Manquillo is a pretty depressing signing too & doesn't improve the first team whatsoever, other than being versatile in both FB positions. Similar to the Jesus Gamez signing that one.

I'd move Ritchie to the 10 role & unleash the pace of the two wingers. Benitez going to be playing counter anyway. Lascelles was out-performed by Clark last season, so gets my pick. Keeper situation is a mess, and that's Rafa's fault. Should be Darlow, but it won't.

-----------------Gayle---------------
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Post by Driver on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 10:31 pm

I'd play Clark but you know as well as i do Jamal will play.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 8:29 am

Hey guys - I know you've managed to get Murphy and Manquillo over the line in recent days, but is there any real reason why you've been inactive in the market?

I can see from discussion above that you're not hugely happy - what is happening with Darlow?
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Post by Just John on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 8:54 am

Reason for inactivity. Mike Ashley. Seen that Rafa has already stated 'give me what you promised, or I'm off'. Squad looks pretty much identical to last season, so at the minute, I'm expecting a difficult relegation scrap.

Darlow to M'boro will go through, if they offer £8m. Been linked with Adrian of WHU to replace him. Puzzling situation, as every fan I've spoken too, wants Darlow as our no.1. Riza Durmisi of Real Betis, now being linked to replace Dummett at left back.


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Post by Driver on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 12:38 pm

Lee Charney is meant to be a really poor negotiator too and since hes running our deals that doesn't help.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 12:47 pm

Do you think Ashley is waiting to see how the first few games of the season go? (ie. if they go badly, he'll throw money late in the window at it - we did something similar in our first year in the PL under Hughton after we lost 5-0 opening day).

I too am puzzled why Darlow isn't your #1 - I know he made a horror error at our place last year, but to me he looked a quality GK, who is only going to get better!
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Post by Driver on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 1:40 pm

He's a good shot stopper, doesn't talk to the back 4 either and Rob does that in abundance.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:27 pm

They should go balls out for Adrian, think he's quality. Really enjoyed his spell with us and think there's got to have been things behind the scenes to get him ousted. One bad spell, that most keepers will have, should not damped how excellent he has been for us. Little bit wild, but I kind of appreciate that in a keeper.

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Post by Driver on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 4:38 pm

He was brilliant the year we went down.
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Post by GeordieFalcon on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 8:39 pm

I see Jacob Murphy is confirmed. At least we are going to have a fairly English lineup if anything Wink

We are looking to stay out of the relegation battle. I think we do have some decent players to do that.
I rate Gayle very highly and actually think if he's given chances he'll score in the prem. Ritchie can play at that level, Shelvey can but needs to curb his discipline, Atsu will be ok, we have strong goalkeepers, Yedin will hopefully be ok, even young Sherry might prove a little gem at full back...etc etc

I'm holding my judgement on De Jong. I'm with John that he wasn't great last time around...however he's a technical player, who just maybe Rafa can work with in the right set up. Only time will tell I guess.

And oh for Mitrovic to be the player we hoped he would. Not sure that'll happen now.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Fri 21 Jul 2017, 11:09 pm

Daryl Murphy off to Forrest confirmed.

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Post by Just John on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 9:30 pm

Bottom on Xmas day @ 14/1 on Paddy Power, looking more attractive by the day

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 12:57 pm

I see Steve Taylor has joined Peterborough on a 2 year deal.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 1:00 pm

And it looks like Lyon are Definitely after Mitrovic.

Would you sell him?

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Post by Just John on Wed 26 Jul 2017, 6:13 pm

For £16m, I would.

Mikel Merino nearly confirmed. Looks a great signing, with bags of potential.

Atsu, Manquillo, Lejeune, Merino & Murphy signed. Need a LB & a striker, and I'd be reasonably happy, given the limitations we face under Ashley.

Latest friendly result - Bradford City 0-4 Newcastle United

Dwight Gayle, Jacob Murphy (2) and Aleksandar Mitrović

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 27 Jul 2017, 9:14 am

I didn't see the game John, and wouldn't judge much on the performance, but how they play in general. I heard young winger Murphy looked pretty good.

Mitrovic scores again.

Im so torn on him. If he can improve his goal rate and continue to work towards being a big old fashioned style English forward like big Duncan etc then I'd keep him.

If Rafa keeps him, then maybe he's thinking the same and seeing results in training. I guess the proof is in the pudding in the prem!

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Post by Just John on Thu 27 Jul 2017, 3:23 pm

Osmanlıspor look set to sign French striker Emmanuel Riviere + further positive talks with Benfica for midfielder, Andreas Samaris (rumoured fee around £13m)

-------------------GAYLE/MITROVIC -------------------
---AARONS/ATSU-------------------MURPHY/RITCHIE -
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------MERINO--------SHELVEY-----HAYDEN------------
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-MANQUILLO---CLARK-------LEJEUNE-------YEDLIN-
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-----------------------DARLOW?-----------------------

Subs - Elliott/Dummett/Lascelles/Mbemba/Diame/De Jong/Perez etc

Quite like the youthful look to the side, full of pace & energy in the final third. Shelvey & Merino providing a technical edge in midfield, along with the energy & work rate of Hayden. Likely to be Manquillo or Dummett at LB, but still a ? over who partners the so-far impressive, Lejeune. Decision between Clark or Lascelles needed to be made. I'd have Darlow as the keeper, but that remains to be seen. Hopefully Rafa puts this mess to bed soon.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 1:58 pm

I see we have signed young Spanish holding midfielder Merino on a years loan from Dortmund.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 11:08 am

John,

Do you think Mitro can continue his pre season scoring form in the prem?

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Post by Driver on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 4:20 pm

Think Mitrovic will start against Spurs, has 2 in 2 against them.
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Post by Driver on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 4:22 pm

Reckon we'll roll out with

Elliot
Manquillio , Lejuane , Lascelles , Clark
Hayden , Shelvey
Ritche Perez Murphy
Mitro
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Post by Crimey on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 4:25 pm

That line up doesn't look good enough unfortunately. Unless Benitez pulls off a managerial miracle it seems relegation looms. I just can't understand, with all the money in football at the moment, why can't Newcastle invest to significantly improve the side?

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Post by Driver on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 4:27 pm

We're at a stage where we have to sell before we buy as the squads overcrowded. Rafa can buy who he wants but Ashley won't want unregistered players sitting on 40k a week like Saviet
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Post by Beer on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 4:35 pm

Crimey wrote:That line up doesn't look good enough unfortunately. Unless Benitez pulls off a managerial miracle it seems relegation looms. I just can't understand, with all the money in football at the moment, why can't Newcastle invest to significantly improve the side?

I'm sure we'll feed back your thoughts to Rafa. You realise that there is still a month of the window to go?

As for investing, we spent heavily in the The Championship, and the prize money is far shorter for winning the Championship. For instance, finishing 18th in the Prem, Newcastle received £70m, you still have to pay wages and invest.

Newcastle received £7m for winning the Championship, that INCLUDES TV money, and then Parachute payments, so we only got £47m in total. We got relegated before the TV money went up. So even bottom sides in the Prem will have received around £100m last season.

When you look at our outgoings, as well as paying off transfers from last season, we've pretty much used all our cash that came in. It's not that we don't want to spend, it's that we can't. People wil, say 'ph, you got £30m for Sissoko', no, Spurs are paying in installments, and like any good business, we aren't spending it till it's in.

We're being cautious, we're not going to do an Everton and blow up transfer fees. I'd imagine we'll get Perez, Samaris and 1 or 2 loans. Plus a few out the door.

The idea is to stay up and then the following season invest.

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Post by Driver on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 4:37 pm

I think we'll stay up but it won't be spectacular. Be a lot of 1-0 wins where we nick a goal and let Shelvey and Merino drive us into the corners and waste time.
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Post by Just John on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 6:49 pm

Crimey wrote:That line up doesn't look good enough unfortunately

For what, 17th? I'm assuming that's what you point is?

I'm quietly optimistic about our chances. Think we've learnt some lessons, overhauled the squad of foreign mercenaries & built a young, tight-knit squad, full of energy & untapped potential. Think we've found a few gems this summer in Lejeune & Merino too, and if players like Aarons & Murphy can develop quickly, in an effective system, we could achieve decent success.


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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 10:27 pm

I agree with Crimey, for what it's worth. It's definitely a side that will be worried by relegation, and whilst I think Rafa is a better manager as a team not expected to dominate matches, I'm not sure he's got a good enough team to carry out plans yet.

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Post by Beer on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 12:29 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I agree with Crimey, for what it's worth. It's definitely a side that will be worried by relegation, and whilst I think Rafa is a better manager as a team not expected to dominate matches, I'm not sure he's got a good enough team to carry out plans yet.

And to think, I praised West Ham.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 1:06 pm

To me it looks a side that will be ok going forward, but has issues at the back without reinforcements coming in.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 1:08 pm

I expected more business, to be honest. I'd say ours has only been alright, and it's much better than yours. I think more will happen, Ashley will like the way values drop and more pieces will fall into place.

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Post by Beer on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 1:26 pm

So did I, but you can blame Everton for that. They've over-inflated prices and we're not going to pay stupid money for players.

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Post by Beer on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:13 pm

Really interesting interview with Rafa on Sky today at the Premier League launch.

Chronicle had the transcript here - http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rafa-benitez-premier-league-launch-13451605

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 10 Aug 2017, 11:34 am

We have signed Kennedy (left wing / left back) from Chelsea on loan for the season.

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Post by Beer on Thu 10 Aug 2017, 12:05 pm

Bit of a desperation signing, that.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 10 Aug 2017, 2:20 pm

Well he's actually not a bad player...just needs to get his attitude sorted.

Maybe a stint with us will work out well for both parties.

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Post by Just John on Thu 10 Aug 2017, 4:56 pm

Offensively, as a left wing back, he's a massive upgrade on Dummett. Been pleading for more balance, to equal what Yedlin gives us. Can see the direction Rafa is going, and he's added significant pace throughout the team. Season-long loan is no risk either.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 8:41 am

Joselu for £5m?


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Post by Just John on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 9:00 am

Cheap deal for Joselu, can't complain. Rafa's pursuit of Wilshere gathering pace, probably accelerated after Shelvey's continued ways.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 9:29 am

Ah Shelvey is daft! Personally to me it was nothing, he didn't even stamp he just put his foot on Ali , however he knows that actions like that will get a red card...and Ali made the most of it as well.

Wilshere...im just not sure of at all.

Diego Costa's free..... Whistle

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Post by Just John on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 10:37 am

Wilshere is a class above anything we have, plus both parties are desperate, so a deal makes sense. Rafa won't really care about his injury record, he just wants numbers & more quality.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 2:06 pm

A fit and on form Wilshire I agree, but ill hold judgment until A) He's signed and B) we see what he's like.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Mon 14 Aug 2017, 2:07 pm

Atsu looked good on Sunday mind.

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