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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue 11 Jul 2017, 11:36 am

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Current Squad
GK's
Rob Elliot,
Karl Darlow
Freddie Woodman
Matz Sels
Martin Dubravka

Defenders
Ciaran Clark
Javi Manquillo
Paul Dummett
Jamaal Lascelles
Chancel Mbemba
Massadio Haïdara
DeAndre Yedlin
Jesús Gámez
Florian Lejeune
Achraf Lazaar

Midfielders
Jack Colback
Matt Ritchie
Jonjo Shelvey
Isaac Hayden
Mohamed Diamé
Rolando Aarons
Jacob Murphy
Mikel Merino
Henri Saivet
Christian Atsu
Henri Saviet

Forwards
Dwight Gayle
Ayoze Pérez
Joselu
Aleksandar Mitrović
Calum Roberts
Adam Armstrong


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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 01 Feb 2018, 1:30 pm

Yeah totally agree John. I actually had to laugh last night at the end of the game...because its just all a circus.

I genuinely don't understand the mind set of Mike Ashley? What is he actually at this club for? Its certainly not to win anything or challenge for top half.

He's happy to just use it to pocket a few million here and there from selling the better players, get his marketing from the stadium etc...

Rafa wont be with us much longer...that's set in stone!

If it was me id have left the second we had been promoted again...then given Mike the bird!

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Post by No name Bertie on Thu 01 Feb 2018, 1:54 pm

Benitez's dream job was Real Madrid, but he got fired after a few months.  It seems to me he enjoys the Premiership so would like to manage in it and maybe Newcastle is his last opportunity (?).  Ashley is still trying to sell the club and if Benitez can keep the club up, there should be a good chance Ashley could get the £300 million (?) he wants for the sale.  The big surprise was the best chance for the sale must have been after promotion and Benitez promising he would stay.

I don't know all the ins and outs of the finances but have this from the BBC:

"Ashley has supported Newcastle financially for many years. The £129m in loans he has given the club are all interest free.  His incremental purchase of 100% of Newcastle shares cost a total of around £134m in 2007. That is a £263m investment in all - leaving him £13m out of pocket on a bid of £250m. But Sports Direct, according to some analysts, has received around £20m to £40m in free advertising through its association with the club."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42701507

But it seems nowadays the price of two players (e.g. Neymar + Mbappe) is more than an entire premiership club including all its assets.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Wed 07 Feb 2018, 1:48 pm

There has also been considerable player income from sales Bertie.

Two players alone - Andy Carol £35m and Sissoko £30m brought in £65m

Plus many others. And i'm pretty sure he hasn't spent near that, so that's money hes pocketed. I'd like to see the exact transfers £ in and out. I bet theres a considerable imbalance.

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Post by No name Bertie on Fri 09 Feb 2018, 7:10 pm

That BBC article I referred to only contains information on the purchase price and investment loans Mike Ashley has put into the club.  It has no information as to what he has taken from the club (if anything?) in terms of income. Presumably the business is a separate legal entity to the owner so that profits from players sales remains in the business rather than pocketed by the owner.  I don't know the full ins and outs of it all but accept the BBC article is limited and doesn't tell the full story.


Be interesting to compare income from players sold versus expenditure on players bought.  What with all the increasing income from television rights and merchandise the value of the squad should be increasing so records should be being broken fairly regularly.  But Alan Shearer was complaining Newcastle last broke its transfer record in 2005.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42761669

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 11 Feb 2018, 4:18 pm

Massive win for Newcastle. In a year where the relegation battle is going to be very tight, such an "unexpected / bonus" win could prove crucial.

Looking at the stats from the BBC, Man Utd had 64% of the possession yet committed more fouls than Newcastle (15 compared to 12). The BBC don't give details on tackles made, but it seems this was a very good defensive display by Newcastle, while still posing an attacking threat.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42934988

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 9:35 am

Fantastic win...
Shelvey was outstanding...as was Diame and the keeper.

We'll Savour that win...but we need to show some consistency now.

If we can win games like that then we should be beating the lower table sides...those are the ones that really matter at the moment...getting ahead of those teams around us.

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Post by Just John on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 10:02 am

Incredible result. Still got serious issues up front, especially with Perez & Joselu, but hopefully Slimani can have the same positive impact that Kenedy & Dubravka have had.

As for the game, thought Lejeune & Dubravka were superb. Shelvey though was like a man possessed. Just so frustrating that he doesn’t produce performances like that every week. Think Pogba is still in his pocket right now.

Think we can just crawl to survival. It won’t be pretty though.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 10:16 am

That performance by Shelvey summed the player up.

He can be genuinely top class...a guy that would boost England...yet he can also play like a petulant schoolboy, who I wouldn't want in the Newcastle side...

Very frustrating.

Having said that, Diame is starting to put together a string of very good performances...maybe Shelvey can do the same for the remaining games.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Wed 07 Mar 2018, 11:13 am

Its drab uninspiring boring football.

Rafa has to take some of the blame for this now mind.

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Post by Just John on Mon 02 Apr 2018, 11:48 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:Rafa has to take some of the blame for this now mind.

Things change in football. I have questioned Rafa in parts this season, but his quality has shone through in the end. It's what Ashley was banking on, in comparison to having McClaren at the helm. You have to salute the job Rafa has done, with the squad available. I believe we've got the seventh best defensive record, and that's testament to Rafa.

We should be relatively safe now, but still questions remain, as to what will unfold in the summer.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Mon 16 Apr 2018, 11:31 am

Well great result yesterday, we're safe.

Rafa has basically hinted in his post match interview...the balls in Ashley's court now.

Will he sell the club, will he keep it and invest some money...or will he sit and do nothing...

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Post by lfc91 on Wed 18 Apr 2018, 1:52 pm

Happy to see Newcastle doing well again. Think IF (big if) Benitez is given a decent amount to spend he could make a real go at making Newcastle into a regular Top 8 side.

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Post by daraghj82 on Thu 19 Apr 2018, 9:53 am

ya rafa is a top manager with the right resources Newcastle are capable of being where burnley are atm

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Mon 23 Apr 2018, 12:31 pm

Rafa to Arsenal is doing the rounds now....

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Post by No name Bertie on Mon 23 Apr 2018, 1:22 pm

That would make a lot of sense yet Rafa is still currently only about 9th or 10th favorite. Yet he seems to have greater credibility than many of the other candidates: extensive experience, has managed top clubs, has demonstrated ability in the Premier League (Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle), with Newcastle he has demonstrated he can work under very tight financial constraints - one of the criticisms at Liverpool was that he wasted quite a fair proportion of the transfer money on signings that didn't live up to expectations - resulting in a relatively weak squad depth. But with Newcastle he has probably put that to rights - demonstrating his all round ability to manage clubs with vastly different budgets.

It doesn't seem like Mike Ashley is ever going to get an offer for Newcastle that he is willing to accept.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 23 Apr 2018, 1:42 pm

Of the 2 ex Liverpool managers in the frame for the Arsenal job I think Rafa would be a better choice than BR. That being said, I hope they go for BR. Would be absolutely hilarious.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Mon 23 Apr 2018, 4:09 pm

You wouldn't blame Rafa...Ashley is a total muppet.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 26 Apr 2018, 11:46 am

And now the stories are that Ashley has put a value of £400m on the club...

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Post by Just John on Thu 26 Apr 2018, 12:03 pm

Club looks stable under Rafa, and regained PL status. Price inevitably increases.

We’ve got the TV money to spend this summer, so should be backed. Rafa will walk otherwise.

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Post by No name Bertie on Thu 26 Apr 2018, 1:08 pm

I thought he was trying to sell the club for £300 million before Christmas - and apparently the offers received didn't come close to that evaluation.  So now he is asking for £400 million?  Does he want to sell the club?  Sunderland is a warning how things could go wrong quickly and I think Newcastle have had warnings.  If Benitez goes I doubt whether Mike Ashley is capable of bringing in the right man to replace him.  Looking in from the outside it does seem that Ashley has been "learning on the fly" how to run a football club.  

The Venky's are probably the classic case of owners demonstrating they didn't have a clue how to run a football club, but there seems to be many examples of owners being out of their depth.  I don't think Ashley is that bad - but he doesn't give the impression of someone particularly interested in the game - rather someone who is just interested in business acquisitions.

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Post by Beer on Thu 26 Apr 2018, 1:15 pm

He said he would sell the club, he wanted £350m, Staveley and PCP offered £300m, which Ashley didn't want. They then went back and offered £350m, but with a clause that said if the club were relegated, Ashley would have to pay them back £100m. PCP offered to finance the January spending, but a deal wasn't reached.

Ashley will sell for the right place. We've achieved safety with 5 games to spare, with the Stadium, the Club, the TV money that's coming in (£135m if we finish 10th) £400m is hardly unreasonable.

Reports also state Rafa will be getting around £100m of that TV money, plus whatever he makes from player sales, and a new contract. Rafa wants assurances on Players and investment in the Academy, which I believe he's going to get.

Ashley isn't stupid, he's a shrewd businessman, and he also knows a manager of Rafa's calibre is worth at least £50m on the value of the club.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Wed 02 May 2018, 10:05 am

On a completely different note....we've been discussing the complete lack of academy successes.

Why on earth are we not able to bring through local lads in an area where football is a religion.

Joselu being a prime example. He is truly woeful. If you go to any Saturday / Sunday league games in Byker, Blyth, North Shields...you will find a better striker than him...and yet we pay £5m for him!!?

The whole academy and scouting system needs radically overhauling. And to be honest I hope Peter Beardsley is gone for good as i've heard horror stories about the coaching levels etc within the academy.

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Post by Just John on Fri 08 Jun 2018, 3:29 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:On a completely different note....we've been discussing the complete lack of academy successes.

The whole academy and scouting system needs radically overhauling. And to be honest I hope Peter Beardsley is gone for good as i've heard horror stories about the coaching levels etc within the academy.

Massadio Haidara, Jesus Gamez, and Curtis Good have been released. Yasin Ben El-Mhanni is also leaving Newcastle United. The investigation into coach Peter Beardsley’s alleged unfair treatment of the winger has yet to be finalised, but El-Mhanni has not been offered a new deal by the Magpies. 18 other academy players have been released in a huge clear-out at the club.

As for summer signings, we don’t receive the TV money until mid-July, so I expect Rafa will need to raise funds, in order to sign players before that money is released. That has always been the problem, as Ashley is not cash rich.

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Post by Just John on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 9:15 am

August
11: Tottenham (h)
18: Cardiff City (a)
25: Chelsea (h)

September
1: Man City (a)
15: Arsenal (h)

Tough start

Mikel Merino joining Real Sociedad for £13m. More evidence that Rafa has been told to raise funds himself, before we get the TV money in mid-July.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 8:40 pm

Ki Sung Yueng in on a free transfer.

John, Ive heard that Merino wont sign a contract due to certain reasons, so basically Rafa is being forced to let him go. Of course that could be utter tosh.

Either way shame to lose him...I suspect he'll go on to be a very good player, though Real Sociedad is not the destination I would have for him.

Mitrovic pretty much on his way aswell for around £15-£20m - we need to be bringing in some quality upfront.

Im actually not overly concerned with Mitro going. I'd like to see Joselu on his way aswell. I genuinely think theres better players in the Byker, Blyth, Whitley bay etc etc regions than him!

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Post by Just John on Sun 01 Jul 2018, 1:52 pm

Hearing we’re back in talks for Andros Townsend. Excels under Rafa, and was good for us previously. £18m is steep, but going rate. Kenedy also in he pipeline, so plenty of pace & creativity being added to the wings.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Mon 02 Jul 2018, 11:51 am

Yeah I heard about Townsend. £18m is a lot though.

Its interesting that he seems to be really pushing for Kennedy to return as well. Now that's far better as he's a top player and clearly made a big difference when he arrived.

That's the type of players you need. Ones that visibly enhance the team.

I still think theres a few bargains out there to be had...but its about balancing the bargains with being prepared to pay the bucks for the real quality that you need aswell.

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Post by Just John on Tue 03 Jul 2018, 8:30 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:Yeah I heard about Townsend. £18m is a lot though

Matt Ritchie appears to be on his way to Stoke for £15m, so Andros the inevitable replacement. Think that’s good money for Ritchie. Great servent, but I think we need that extra pace and goal threat in the wide areas.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Wed 04 Jul 2018, 10:21 am

Ah right I didn't realise that Ritchie to Stoke was that certain. In that case I guess 3 million for Andros is not bad. He'll offer a different prospect down the right wing.


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Post by Beer on Wed 04 Jul 2018, 10:22 am

Any update on the links to Plea?

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Post by Just John on Thu 05 Jul 2018, 3:50 pm

Beer wrote:Any update on the links to Plea?

Have to sell first, although Rondon (who is pretty ordinary), is also being talked about.

Mbemba has gone to Porto for €8m. Also heading for the exit door, is Merino (£13m), Mitrovic (£20m) and Ritchie (£15m).

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Post by Beer on Thu 05 Jul 2018, 4:55 pm

They've turned down £15m for Ritchie?

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Post by Just John on Thu 05 Jul 2018, 7:26 pm

We’ve probably been told to up our offer for Kenedy or Townsend, so need to squeeze Stoke for more.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue 10 Jul 2018, 3:25 pm

Kennedy is up on a medical for a season long loan last I heard.

Didn't hear about Mbemba. Surprised at that one.

So that's "very roughly" about £50- £55m coming in for 4 players and so far we have signed 1 defensive midfielder (Merino replacement) on a free transfer.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue 10 Jul 2018, 3:57 pm

I see we've also rejected a £25m offer for Laschelles from West Ham

And have linked a fair bit with Man City player Zinchenko (or whatever he's called) the Ukranian.

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