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Post by VinceWLB on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 10:18 am


Double header could actually be a great advert for the league for the new Saffas fans. Ospreys generally play a good brand of rugby too.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 10:20 am

marty2086 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Not necessarily a balls up, they can move to a nearby stadium (SA is a big place), or just make the KO a tad earlier.

A double header would make plenty of sense, it helps promote the league outside of the Cheetahs fan base and can draw fans into supporting them during the Pro14 season while their Super Rugby team is in off season

Yeah that would be a really good idea. It's certainly doable as there is a little over 3 hours between each match anyway, surely that's enough time.

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Post by Biltong on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 10:24 am

marty2086 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Not necessarily a balls up, they can move to a nearby stadium (SA is a big place), or just make the KO a tad earlier.

A double header would make plenty of sense, it helps promote the league outside of the Cheetahs fan base and can draw fans into supporting them during the Pro14 season while their Super Rugby team is in off season

I don't think the SA teams will lack support, everyone is very interested in what is going to happen
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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 10:29 am

Just had a look and SA haven't played a Test match in Bloemfontein in 7 years, so can't be an accident

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 11:29 am

Will the test players be available for the Welsh derbies on 27th October?

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Post by mikey_dragon on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:10 pm

You would assume so, the only one in need of a prolonged rest is AWJ. A few of our internationals have had enough rest anyway, either via injury or via NZ.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:19 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:You would assume so, the only one in need of a prolonged rest is AWJ. A few of our internationals have had enough rest anyway, either via injury or via NZ.

They weren't available last season, on the same weekend.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:21 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:You would assume so, the only one in need of a prolonged rest is AWJ. A few of our internationals have had enough rest anyway, either via injury or via NZ.

They weren't available last season, on the same weekend.

Oh is that the weekend or 2 before the AI series? Perhaps not then.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:26 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:You would assume so, the only one in need of a prolonged rest is AWJ. A few of our internationals have had enough rest anyway, either via injury or via NZ.

They weren't available last season, on the same weekend.

Oh is that the weekend or 2 before the AI series? Perhaps not then.

Excellent. What a great league.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:28 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:You would assume so, the only one in need of a prolonged rest is AWJ. A few of our internationals have had enough rest anyway, either via injury or via NZ.

They weren't available last season, on the same weekend.

Oh is that the weekend or 2 before the AI series? Perhaps not then.

Excellent. What a great league.

The derbies were a week before the AIs last season, there are two weeks between the games this season

Before criticising maybe get your facts straight Rolling Eyes

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:30 pm

Where's the fun in that?

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:30 pm

By the way, it's also up to the WRU whether they play or not

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:33 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:You would assume so, the only one in need of a prolonged rest is AWJ. A few of our internationals have had enough rest anyway, either via injury or via NZ.

They weren't available last season, on the same weekend.

Oh is that the weekend or 2 before the AI series? Perhaps not then.

Excellent. What a great league.

The derbies were a week before the AIs last season, there are two weeks between the games this season

Before criticising maybe get your facts straight Rolling Eyes

Well I was aksing, not telling. Good to know we'll have all international players available. OK

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:35 pm

Sorry where was the question when you sarcastically said? Rolling Eyes

RugbyFan100 wrote:Excellent. What a great league.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:35 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:You would assume so, the only one in need of a prolonged rest is AWJ. A few of our internationals have had enough rest anyway, either via injury or via NZ.

They weren't available last season, on the same weekend.

Oh is that the weekend or 2 before the AI series? Perhaps not then.

Excellent. What a great league.

The derbies were a week before the AIs last season, there are two weeks between the games this season

Before criticising maybe get your facts straight Rolling Eyes

He's right it is a great league, much unlike the turd served up by the mercenary teams of the Top14.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:37 pm

marty2086 wrote:Sorry where was the question when you sarcastically said? Rolling Eyes

RugbyFan100 wrote:Excellent. What a great league.

The question was the 5th post on this page.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:39 pm

Will teams with less home games this year have more home games next year?

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:58 pm

Yes and no

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Post by Pot Hale on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 12:59 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:Will teams with less home games this year have more home games next year?

Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:02 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:Will teams with less home games this year have more home games next year?

Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?


Eh? I have absolutely no idea what the answer to the question is due to conflicting info coming from all sorts of people.

I've seen on Twitter that every team will play 11 home games next season if they are playing 10 home games this season
I've also seen that the conferences will reset at the beginning of each season.

Now it strikes me that to make both those things happen, is difficult. But I have no if the Pro14 have some sort of strategy to make it easy, and was just clarifying.

So given you know everything, I'd like to hear how they are going to do it.

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Post by Pot Hale on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:16 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:Will teams with less home games this year have more home games next year?

Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?


Eh? I have absolutely no idea what the answer to the question is due to conflicting info coming from all sorts of people.

I've seen on Twitter that every team will play 11 home games next season if they are playing 10 home games this season
I've also seen that the conferences will reset at the beginning of each season.

Now it strikes me that to make both those things happen, is difficult. But I have no if the Pro14 have some sort of strategy to make it easy, and was just clarifying.

So given you know everything, I'd like to hear how they are going to do it.

Do you know if the PRO14 has a website?
Do you know if they have a Q&A about the structure of the Championship?
Do you know if they said that teams playing 11 away games this season will play 10 next season?
Do you know if they have put up the season's fixtures yesterday?
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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:21 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:Will teams with less home games this year have more home games next year?

Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?


Eh? I have absolutely no idea what the answer to the question is due to conflicting info coming from all sorts of people.

I've seen on Twitter that every team will play 11 home games next season if they are playing 10 home games this season
I've also seen that the conferences will reset at the beginning of each season.

Now it strikes me that to make both those things happen, is difficult. But I have no if the Pro14 have some sort of strategy to make it easy, and was just clarifying.

So given you know everything, I'd like to hear how they are going to do it.

Do you know if the PRO14 has a website?
Do you know if they have a Q&A about the structure of the Championship?
Do you know if they said that teams playing 11 away games this season will play 10 next season?
Do you know if they have put up the season's fixtures yesterday?

Couldn't find any of that on the menu on their website

http://www.pro14rugby.org/competitions-2/


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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:23 pm

Well how about the video the league produced to explain the new setup?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:27 pm

marty2086 wrote:Well how about the video the league produced to explain the new setup?

If you can point to the exact time on the video where my question is answered then I'd be grateful. Sorry I'm being a bit slow today.

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Post by Pot Hale on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:32 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Well how about the video the league produced to explain the new setup?

If you can point to the exact time on the video where my question is answered then I'd be grateful. Sorry I'm being a bit slow today.

Your rhetoric hasn't changed much. New screen name, same commentary.
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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:33 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Well how about the video the league produced to explain the new setup?

If you can point to the exact time on the video where my question is answered then I'd be grateful. Sorry I'm being a bit slow today.

Your rhetoric hasn't changed much. New screen name, same commentary.

Sorry I don't know what you mean. Can you answer me? It's a simple question.

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Post by profitius on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:34 pm


Or it could be a masterstroke. Let's not automatically assume the worst.


Also I'd imagine it was a hell of an effort in organising the fixture list given the amount of preferences that every team has.
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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:36 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Well how about the video the league produced to explain the new setup?

If you can point to the exact time on the video where my question is answered then I'd be grateful. Sorry I'm being a bit slow today.

Your rhetoric hasn't changed much. New screen name, same commentary.

Sorry I don't know what you mean. Can you answer me? It's a simple question.

If it was a simple question then you should know the answer

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:41 pm

So nobody can answer it.

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Post by Pot Hale on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:42 pm

[quote="RugbyFan100"]
Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Well how about the video the league produced to explain the new setup?

If you can point to the exact time on the video where my question is answered then I'd be grateful. Sorry I'm being a bit slow today.

Your rhetoric hasn't changed much. New screen name, same commentary.

Sorry I don't know what you mean. Can you answer me? It's a simple question.[/]

What is your simple question?
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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:45 pm

Pot Hale wrote:

What is your simple question?
[/quote]

Will all teams be alternating between a 10 home game basis and an 11 home game basis year on year?

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Post by Pot Hale on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:48 pm

[quote="RugbyFan100"]
Pot Hale wrote:

What is your simple question?


Will all teams be alternating between a 10 home game basis and an 11 home game basis year on year?

How do you know if they will alternate?
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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:50 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:

What is your simple question?

Will all teams be alternating between a 10 home game basis and an 11 home game basis year on year?

How do you know if they will alternate?

? That's what I'm asking. I've seen reports that say they will be alternating, and some reports that that say they won't.

If they ARE, (which only seems fair) then I'd like to know the thinking behind it, and the process involved.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:53 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:

What is your simple question?

Will all teams be alternating between a 10 home game basis and an 11 home game basis year on year?

How do you know if they will alternate?

? That's what I'm asking. I've seen reports that say they will be alternating, and some reports that that say they won't.

If they ARE, (which only seems fair) then I'd like to know the thinking behind it, and the process involved.

Why would that seem fair?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:54 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:

What is your simple question?

Will all teams be alternating between a 10 home game basis and an 11 home game basis year on year?

How do you know if they will alternate?

? That's what I'm asking. I've seen reports that say they will be alternating, and some reports that that say they won't.

If they ARE, (which only seems fair) then I'd like to know the thinking behind it, and the process involved.

Why would that seem fair?

Really? Why would it be fair for teams to have the same number of home fixtures as other teams?

Are you really asking that?

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:55 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:

What is your simple question?

Will all teams be alternating between a 10 home game basis and an 11 home game basis year on year?

How do you know if they will alternate?

? That's what I'm asking. I've seen reports that say they will be alternating, and some reports that that say they won't.

If they ARE, (which only seems fair) then I'd like to know the thinking behind it, and the process involved.

Why would that seem fair?

Really? Why would it be fair for teams to have the same number of home fixtures as other teams?

Are you really asking that?

Its a simple question

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Post by Pot Hale on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:57 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:

What is your simple question?

Will all teams be alternating between a 10 home game basis and an 11 home game basis year on year?

How do you know if they will alternate?

? That's what I'm asking. I've seen reports that say they will be alternating, and some reports that that say they won't.

If they ARE, (which only seems fair) then I'd like to know the thinking behind it, and the process involved.

Yes. It only seems fair.


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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:58 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:

What is your simple question?

Will all teams be alternating between a 10 home game basis and an 11 home game basis year on year?

How do you know if they will alternate?

? That's what I'm asking. I've seen reports that say they will be alternating, and some reports that that say they won't.

If they ARE, (which only seems fair) then I'd like to know the thinking behind it, and the process involved.

Why would that seem fair?

Really? Why would it be fair for teams to have the same number of home fixtures as other teams?

Are you really asking that?

Its a simple question

And the answer is, because clearly it would be completely inequitable.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 1:59 pm

How?

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Post by Pot Hale on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 2:02 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:Will teams with less home games this year have more home games next year?

Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?


Eh? I have absolutely no idea what the answer to the question is due to conflicting info coming from all sorts of people.

I've seen on Twitter that every team will play 11 home games next season if they are playing 10 home games this season
I've also seen that the conferences will reset at the beginning of each season.

Now it strikes me that to make both those things happen, is difficult. But I have no if the Pro14 have some sort of strategy to make it easy, and was just clarifying.

So given you know everything, I'd like to hear how they are going to do it.

Do you know if the PRO14 has a website?
Do you know if they have a Q&A about the structure of the Championship?
Do you know if they said that teams playing 11 away games this season will play 10 next season?
Do you know if they have put up the season's fixtures yesterday?

Couldn't find any of that on the menu on their website

http://www.pro14rugby.org/competitions-2/

http://www.pro14rugby.org/2017/08/01/guinness-pro14-championship-qa/
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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 2:04 pm

marty2086 wrote:How?

Because sides having more home games than others is not a level playing field.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 2:05 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:How?

Because sides having more home games than others is not a level playing field.

Why?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 2:07 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:How?

Because sides having more home games than others is not a level playing field.

Why?

Because a home game is more advantageous than an away game in sport.

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Post by Biltong on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 2:13 pm

Its only one match
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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 2:25 pm

Biltong wrote:Its only one match

But season upon season of certain teams having less home games than others is what we are talking about.

If that scenario doesn't occur then fine. I'm waiting to see how they are going to ensure this doesn't happen.

If, for instance : Ospreys Scarlets Leinster Connacht Edinburgh Zebre and Cheetahs are in one of next year's conferences - All those teams require 11 home games next season, as per the Pro14 website (kindly posted by Pot Hale) - so I just wondered how easy it is to make that happen as my brain hurts from looking at all the permutations.

I'm sure the Pro14 have sussed it out, or they wouldn't put it on their website. It's just a ballache to try and figure out.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 2:29 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:How?

Because sides having more home games than others is not a level playing field.

Why?

Because a home game is more advantageous than an away game in sport.

So is having a bigger budget, better players etc

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 2:30 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Biltong wrote:Its only one match

But season upon season of certain teams having less home games than others is what we are talking about.

If that scenario doesn't occur then fine. I'm waiting to see how they are going to ensure this doesn't happen.

If, for instance  :   Ospreys Scarlets Leinster Connacht Edinburgh Zebre and Cheetahs are in one of next year's conferences - All those teams require 11 home games next season, as per the Pro14 website (kindly posted by Pot Hale) - so I just wondered how easy it is to make that happen as my brain hurts from looking at all the permutations.

I'm sure the Pro14 have sussed it out, or they wouldn't put it on their website. It's just a ballache to try and figure out.

If you had watched the video the answer is there

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 2:32 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:How?

Because sides having more home games than others is not a level playing field.

Why?

Because a home game is more advantageous than an away game in sport.

So is having a bigger budget, better players etc

Well spotted.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 2:33 pm

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RugbyFan100 wrote:
Biltong wrote:Its only one match

But season upon season of certain teams having less home games than others is what we are talking about.

If that scenario doesn't occur then fine. I'm waiting to see how they are going to ensure this doesn't happen.

If, for instance  :   Ospreys Scarlets Leinster Connacht Edinburgh Zebre and Cheetahs are in one of next year's conferences - All those teams require 11 home games next season, as per the Pro14 website (kindly posted by Pot Hale) - so I just wondered how easy it is to make that happen as my brain hurts from looking at all the permutations.

I'm sure the Pro14 have sussed it out, or they wouldn't put it on their website. It's just a ballache to try and figure out.

If you had watched the video the answer is there

What time on the video? I'll check it out.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 2:34 pm

You want to know watch the video

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