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Post by sirbenson on Sat 15 Jul 2017, 4:40 pm

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 4:52 pm

I found the Mickelson and Stenson showdown was overrated and wasn't Troon a par 72...

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 4:53 pm

Ok Troon was a par 71

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Re: The Open Championship 2017

Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:07 pm

Will be one hell of an effort for Spieth to win this from here


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Re: The Open Championship 2017

Post by beninho on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:13 pm

Another first time major winner on the way? First asian?

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Re: The Open Championship 2017

Post by wiretapper on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:18 pm

All this faffing about breaking rhythm and adding to the pressure. He should have taken 3 off the tee

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Post by GPB on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:18 pm

Can we put the R/A rules officials on the clock?

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:33 pm

Gutsy bogey from Spieth

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:37 pm

‪What a shot from Spieth on 14!‬ Incredible mental strength

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Post by navyblueshorts on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:40 pm

sirbenson wrote:Gutsy bogey from Spieth
Not half.
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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:43 pm

That birdie! Incredible mental strength from Spieth

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Post by beninho on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:50 pm

How the holy hell can you go back and hit it from the driving range. How can that not be out of bounds. Didnt like thst at all.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:52 pm

beninho wrote:How the holy hell can you go back and hit it from the driving range. How can that not be out of bounds. Didnt like thst at all.
If it's not, it's not. Credit Spieth for knowing what the options he had were.
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Post by wiretapper on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:53 pm

Hats off Jordan Spieth

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:53 pm

Unbelievable from Jordan Spieth!!!!

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Post by navyblueshorts on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:53 pm

Outrageous!!
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Post by beninho on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 5:56 pm

He took advantage, but its another stupid golf thing. He can go out of the sh#t into a nice manicured area and it takes 17 minutes to do that. Fuk that, he should be docked a shot for taking so long. Hopefully in future all areas not on the actual course are marked out of bounds. He could have hit tgat ball anyway, another nonsense rule.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:00 pm

beninho wrote:He took advantage, but its another stupid golf thing. He can go out of the sh#t into a nice manicured area  and it takes 17 minutes to do that. Fuk that, he should be docked a shot for taking so long. Hopefully in future all areas not on the actual course are marked out of bounds. He could have hit tgat ball anyway, another nonsense rule.
Nonsense. I completely disagree. It was what it was and he at least had the presence of mind to use what was available. He's playing for The Open and nearly $2m and there's no-one behind to let through.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:08 pm

What?? Let's just give it to him now and save a few minutes...
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Post by beninho on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:08 pm

He took advantage of the rules, I just think it an awful rule, if you can hit the ball, why should you be allowed to go back and make it easier.

He wins this now, but he lucked it. And I dont care what your playing for 20 minutes to take a shot is to long.

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:08 pm

Unbelievable from Jordan Spieth!!!!

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:09 pm

World class from Jordan Spieth!!!!

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Post by wiretapper on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:10 pm

So Jordan how did you turn around what was shaping up to be one of the worst rounds of your life?

I hit one of the worst drives of my life...

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Post by navyblueshorts on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:16 pm

beninho wrote:He took advantage of the rules, I just think it an awful rule, if you can hit the ball, why should you be allowed to go back and make it easier.

He wins this now, but he lucked it. And I dont care what your playing for 20 minutes to take a shot is to long.
Nothing lucky about the 3 holes that followed...
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Post by beninho on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:21 pm

No doubting what happened afterwards. I just hope that in future opens no matter whether they think soneone will go there, they make all practice areas or parts not the course as out of bounds. I really cant understand how it wasnt.

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:28 pm

Sensational from Jordan Spieth

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Post by navyblueshorts on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:31 pm

beninho wrote:No doubting what happened afterwards. I just hope that in future opens no matter whether they think soneone will go there, they make all practice areas or parts not the course as out of bounds. I really cant understand how it wasnt.
Yeah, you're probably right I guess.
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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:41 pm

Epic from Jordan Spierh! What a dramatic final round! Mental strength that compares to Tiger

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Post by beninho on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:41 pm

Deserved win, when taking all into account. 4 rounds under par. Not a classic open. Ive made all my other points already!

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Post by navyblueshorts on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:43 pm

sirbenson wrote:Epic from Jordan Spierh! What a dramatic final round! Mental strength that compares to Tiger
Amazing really. He was pants up to 13, made an epic bogey from the back of beyond there, and then played like God. Something else.
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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:46 pm

Well that back nine was a classic Open and that's all you want really...would have been nice to see conditions like Friday for the whole event

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:51 pm

Much preferred this final round over last year's birdie fest

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:59 pm

https://twitter.com/tigerwoods/status/889182332736983044

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Post by LadyPutt on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 7:00 pm

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beninho wrote:How the holy hell can you go back and hit it from the driving range. How can that not be out of bounds. Didnt like thst at all.
If it's not, it's not. Credit Spieth for knowing what the options he had were.
No different to Woods getting relief from the clubhouse roof a few years ago.
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Post by beninho on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 7:05 pm

Dont recall that, but again it sounds like a nonsense rule. Should be some sort if general blanket rule for whats is deemed in and out of bounds.

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Post by Guest on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 7:36 pm

Jordan Spieth champion and a champions performance. Rather than fading away after a poor start in difficult condition, he came back fighting.

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Post by Davie on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 8:02 pm

sirbenson wrote:Epic from Jordan Spierh! What a dramatic final round! Mental strength that compares to Tiger

Who?

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Post by navyblueshorts on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 10:51 pm

beninho wrote:Dont recall that, but again it sounds like a nonsense rule. Should be some sort if general blanket rule for whats is deemed in and out of bounds.
Headscratch But there are - it's called the OoB markers on any given course. Clearly the practice ground at Birkdale wasn't OoB. Maybe it should have been....but it wasnt.
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Post by owen10ozzy on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 4:15 am

Just caught up with it all...

Didn't like the finish at all, credit Spieth in many ways for having the presence of mind to use the rules to his advantage...but the simple fact is he played a horrendous shot and was essentially not penalised for it. The ball was playable...but most likely would have had to take 2 shots to get it out of where it was unless he hit an absolute peach to get it back on the fairway. Instead he only took a one shot penalty...moved it into a perfect area essentially and all the while made the man who was exerting pressure onto him wait almost 20 minutes to continue his play. Tainted Open and tainted victory...neither are Spieths fault but for me it leaves his 3rd major leaving a slightly sour taste in the mouth.

Major changes need to be fade moving forward because that was up their with the farce of DJ's US victory.

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Post by Davie on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 6:17 am

owen10ozzy wrote:Just caught up with it all...

Didn't like the finish at all, credit Spieth in many ways for having the presence of mind to use the rules to his advantage...but the simple fact is he played a horrendous shot and was essentially not penalised for it. The ball was playable...but most likely would have had to take 2 shots to get it out of where it was unless he hit an absolute peach to get it back on the fairway. Instead he only took a one shot penalty...moved it into a perfect area essentially and all the while made the man who was exerting pressure onto him wait almost 20 minutes to continue his play. Tainted Open and tainted victory...neither are Spieths fault but for me it leaves his 3rd major leaving a slightly sour taste in the mouth.

Major changes need to be fade moving forward because that was up their with the farce of DJ's US victory.

I can't believe I've woken up to a post like this. Not even sure where to start. Tainted??? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The only downside was how long it took the rules officials to sort it out.

You may think the ball was playable but the fact is the player is the sole judge of that. He did the right thing.


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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 8:36 am

Davie wrote:
owen10ozzy wrote:Just caught up with it all...

Didn't like the finish at all, credit Spieth in many ways for having the presence of mind to use the rules to his advantage...but the simple fact is he played a horrendous shot and was essentially not penalised for it. The ball was playable...but most likely would have had to take 2 shots to get it out of where it was unless he hit an absolute peach to get it back on the fairway. Instead he only took a one shot penalty...moved it into a perfect area essentially and all the while made the man who was exerting pressure onto him wait almost 20 minutes to continue his play. Tainted Open and tainted victory...neither are Spieths fault but for me it leaves his 3rd major leaving a slightly sour taste in the mouth.

Major changes need to be fade moving forward because that was up their with the farce of DJ's US victory.

I can't believe I've woken up to a post like this. Not even sure where to start. Tainted??? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The only downside was how long it took the rules officials to sort it out.

You may think the ball was playable but the fact is the player is the sole judge of that. He did the right thing.

Agree 100% with this. Tainted? Nonsense.
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Post by super_realist on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 9:11 am

Fair play to the usually drab Rev Boredan Spieth, anything but boring on that final round.

As for the lie, it's irrelevant. I can probably call an unplayable if a ball is tee'd up for goodness sake. It doesn't matter if the ball is playable or not.
Kudos to Birkdale for having a course where this sort of position can exist. This would have been a dreary procession if at TOC.

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Post by beninho on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 9:23 am

While I have raised my points, its clearly not tainted in any way. He played within the rules and won it fairly. I dont like the unplayable rule when it can be easily manipulated, I dont like that he could move the ball back towards the practice areas and then move it again because the things in the practice area were in his way.

I also don't really understand how a practice area can be considered part of the course, so you are practising on the course during the event? But I am definitely not a rules expert, and only really notice things when they get flagged up.

Spieth though comes across pretty well as a person.

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Post by Davie on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 9:32 am

Maybe the practice area and truck park IS an integral part of the course 50 weeks of the year?

I'm not saying this as a fact, just a suggestion, but perhaps such a large practice area isn't needed for the regular members and there certainly wouldn't have been those large Titleist trucks parked there at any other time of the year. So maybe what would have been a "normal" sensible drop was only made to seem strange by the tournament infrastructure itself?

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Post by super_realist on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 9:43 am

beninho wrote:While I have raised my points, its clearly not tainted in any way. He played within the rules and won it fairly. I dont like the unplayable rule when it can be easily manipulated, I dont like that he could move the ball back towards the practice areas and then move it again because the things in the practice area were in his way.

I also don't really understand how a practice area can be considered part of the course, so you are practising on the course during the event? But I am definitely not a rules expert, and only really notice things when they get flagged up.  

Spieth though comes across pretty well as a person.

It's about what are considered INTEGRAL parts of the course. The Practice Ground is not OB, but that doesn't make it part of the course. There's lots of courses where adjacent courses, fields, rivers, beaches, forests are not OB, but that doesn't mean that where your ball ends up is part of the course which you are playing.

Nothing is unplayable UNLESS it is marked OB



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Post by beninho on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 9:55 am

I get it, it seems that the practice area is not OOB usually, so it was kept that way for the championship. Issue being its not usually filled with trucks and TV companies. They deemed the 10th Fairway as OOB if playing the 9th, and used that as a rule for the championship only, I would not be surprised if they made changes to the OOB on the practice areas for any future opens.

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Post by Davie on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 10:00 am

Nor is there usually hospitality tents, trucks, scoreboards and TV towers and cables . I'm not sure what the point is you are trying to make

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Post by beninho on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 10:12 am

My point is, that I would like them to make a policy for that week and not on the basis of how the course is for the rest of the year. They did it with the 9th/10th holes. Stick it in the hospitality tent you take a penalty, stick it in the grandstand you take a penalty.

It may not work. But its just an idea I like.

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Post by Guest on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 11:04 am

Is Spieth the Ronnie Sullivan of the golf world?  Commentators where saying Spieth is one of the fastest payers on the golf course if not the fastest - taking his shots on average between 8 to 14 seconds when it is his turn to play.  They compared it with another player Matsuyama who was taking 1 minute 15 seconds on average.

Spieth said afterwards when his shot went wide at the 13th that he was proud to recognise he needed to take his time to think about what he needed to do next.  He said he used his golfing experience to recognise that the shot was unplayable and that he needed to check the rules and take the best penalty drop available to him.

He also said he felt nervous throughout most of the round up until following the drive at the fourteenth, then things started to click.

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Post by super_realist on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 11:10 am

Are you joking Bertie? Spieth plays at a glacial speed. He is insufferable to watch because he is so slow.

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Post by beninho on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 11:17 am

He is slow, they were already a hole behind the Koepka/ Connolly group before he the fun and games on the 13th.

What commentator said he was fast?

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