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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Mon 24 Jul 2017, 10:23 am

First topic message reminder :

Seeing as there's only 3 matches left in Super Rugby, time to start thinking about TRC


Fixtures:


The Australian squad are already in camp (except for their Brumbies' players), with all their Super Rugby commitments finished - Quade Cooper and Scott Higginbotham notable squad omissions, thought Quade may get a reprieve as Karmichael Hunt is out for the next 2 months

Wallabies Squad:


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Post by yappysnap Mon 28 Aug 2017, 8:21 am

mikey_dragon wrote:SA actually got their bonus point this week then. Remarkable turnaround given the state that team was in last season.

Argentina got a pretty ropey red card which killed the game, even up to then though they looked way too psyched, more interested in afters then the rugby.

Boks made hard work of it and their defence looked leaky. Their 6 was quality though, and Jantjes had a good game.

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Post by George Carlin Mon 28 Aug 2017, 8:27 am

emack2 wrote:A proper Bledisloe reminiscent of AUS 1998-2000 with lots of matches going
to the wire.Wakeup call for all teams 2016.isn`t 2017 Argentina can`t divide
there side between 3 continents and expect to win regularly.
Narrow minded comments about players private lives has no place here that`s
for gossip columns.
It is plain for all to see that the vast number of Caps lost to the NZ side,has
left them vulnerable.
Mackenzie ,Jordie Barrett the future,managing players to help them reachRWC
is in place.Players now 34 like Kaino and Crockett won`t be there the mid
field is crucial.Crotty/ALB the best combination NZ are rebuilding as they
go along.
THE BOKS probably lead the table on points difference,and may fancy there
chances this year.
Playing devil's advocate, is that really your best midfield Alan?

I think that Lienert Brown is made to look very good by the guys around him, Crotty a bit less so.

I don't think that either of them can touch SBW for impact or skillset but I haven't been watching as much Super Rugby as you probably have.
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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 28 Aug 2017, 8:55 am

yappysnap wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:SA actually got their bonus point this week then. Remarkable turnaround given the state that team was in last season.

Argentina got a pretty ropey red card which killed the game, even up to then though they looked way too psyched, more interested in afters then the rugby.

Boks made hard work of it and their defence looked leaky. Their 6 was quality though, and Jantjes had a good game.

Yeah Kolisi is good, and there on merit too. The write-ups are speaking highly of the back-row replacement Jean-Luc du Preez, I get the impression he's the next Vermeulen.

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Post by Collapse2005 Mon 28 Aug 2017, 11:10 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:ABs played a mistake ridden game, but Australia after achieving that initial lead should have gone on to won.
 Anyway was not to be and the Bledisloe Cup gets to live another year in Wellington.

Australia's defense was a hell of a lot better but possibly still needs some work. McMahon had a great game and seemed to be everywhere for Australia, Folau, Genia and Beale looked very sharp in the backs. Im a big fan of Haylett-Petty too. Reminds me a bit of Ben Smith.

Anyway good to see Australia playing well again.

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Post by emack2 Mon 28 Aug 2017, 5:02 pm

The Super Rugby form isn`t always a great sign,playing behind an AB pack the
equal of any side in the World helps.
5 Aussie tries well taken but a least 3 were poor defence,trying shere Pace
to create tries.First FB standing flat in line an intercept or charge down is
the result.
The blindside Wing should have been acting as a "Sweeper",two tries AB`s
ignored the golden rule BALL STILL ALIVE play to whistle.
Matt Todds test career is over,out for rest of RC and 3Rd Bledisloe,they`ll
be looking for young guns for AI`s.
Luke Whitelock is the obvious 6,7,8 candidate,Brad Shields as an 8,SBW
on the bench.
Crotty is the mid field general,Dagg back for Ben Smith,maybe Barrett
at 15,Sopanga at 10.

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Post by yappysnap Wed 30 Aug 2017, 6:54 am

Just watched some very insightful analysis by Drew Mitchell and the Fox team on the Oz performance.

Way better then the cliche heavy jargon we often get here in the NH and with some very interesting videos, showing players work off the ball in getting up and either back into defense or ready to carry/dummy run again.

The skills on display and workrate were impressive, as was the subtle changes in tactics mid game from both teams.

Makes me hope for better from the English Sky team this autumn but not holding my breath.

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Post by George Carlin Wed 30 Aug 2017, 7:05 am

yappysnap wrote:Just watched some very insightful analysis by Drew Mitchell and the Fox team on the Oz performance.

Way better then the cliche heavy jargon we often get here in the NH and with some very interesting videos, showing players work off the ball in getting up and either back into defense or ready to carry/dummy run again.

The skills on display and workrate were impressive, as was the subtle changes in tactics mid game from both teams.

Makes me hope for better from the English Sky team this autumn but not holding my breath.
Yes, there's a lot of jingoism and banality from the commentary team. I always pray to Bill McLaren for better.

Mitchell and Marshall are good on Fox. I think that Will Greenwood has a lot of interesting things to say too.
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Post by Biltong Wed 30 Aug 2017, 7:16 am

George Carlin wrote:
yappysnap wrote:Just watched some very insightful analysis by Drew Mitchell and the Fox team on the Oz performance.

Way better then the cliche heavy jargon we often get here in the NH and with some very interesting videos, showing players work off the ball in getting up and either back into defense or ready to carry/dummy run again.

The skills on display and workrate were impressive, as was the subtle changes in tactics mid game from both teams.

Makes me hope for better from the English Sky team this autumn but not holding my breath.
Yes, there's a lot of jingoism and banality from the commentary team. I always pray to Bill McLaren for better.

Mitchell and Marshall are good on Fox. I think that Will Greenwood has a lot of interesting things to say too.

Bill McLaren was the king of commentary
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Post by yappysnap Wed 30 Aug 2017, 7:30 am

George Carlin wrote:
yappysnap wrote:Just watched some very insightful analysis by Drew Mitchell and the Fox team on the Oz performance.

Way better then the cliche heavy jargon we often get here in the NH and with some very interesting videos, showing players work off the ball in getting up and either back into defense or ready to carry/dummy run again.

The skills on display and workrate were impressive, as was the subtle changes in tactics mid game from both teams.

Makes me hope for better from the English Sky team this autumn but not holding my breath.
Yes, there's a lot of jingoism and banality from the commentary team. I always pray to Bill McLaren for better.

Mitchell and Marshall are good on Fox. I think that Will Greenwood has a lot of interesting things to say too.

I like Greenwood but it's like he feels he has to get on the over-hype train too. He's a smart guy and could do some very interesting analysis but often doesn't get the chance.

Mitchell shows you need a very recent player or two to stay up to date too.

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Post by Collapse2005 Wed 30 Aug 2017, 2:36 pm

Philip Matthews is my favorite.

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Post by Collapse2005 Fri 01 Sep 2017, 9:00 am

Its really starting to look like South Africa are back in business. Since back to back losses against Italy and Wales they have won 5 on the trot. 3 v France and 2 v Argentina. The scoring in these games was impressive too scoring over 35 points in each game and as a result clambering back up to 3rd in the world rugby rankings. It will be very interesting to see how they get on against Australia and NZ particularly in away games as they seem to struggle away a bit.

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Post by Gwlad Thu 07 Sep 2017, 6:18 pm

http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/41185009

Pretty damning indictment.

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Post by BamBam Thu 07 Sep 2017, 6:27 pm

In other damning sporting news, Premier League footballers get drunk and cheat on their wives, basketball players are tall, and Olympic swim teams have discovered that water is in fact wet

Pretty damning indictments all round

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Post by yappysnap Fri 08 Sep 2017, 9:08 am

Damn that's damn damning

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Post by munkian Fri 08 Sep 2017, 9:21 am

Gwlad wrote:http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/41185009

Pretty damning indictment.

Its like Once were warriors was never made Shocked
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Post by ebop Fri 08 Sep 2017, 9:45 am

Good show of humility by NZR. To initiate an independent review in the first place. And then make it public. It'll make NZ rugby stronger. Not that we need to be any stronger right?
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Post by Biltong Fri 08 Sep 2017, 9:46 am

ebop wrote:Good show of humility by NZR. To initiate an independent review in the first place. And then make it public. It'll make NZ rugby stronger. Not that we need to be any stronger right?

Agree, focus still 0n what is best for NZ rugby. The individual is never more important than the collective
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Fri 08 Sep 2017, 10:40 am

Biltong wrote:
ebop wrote:Good show of humility by NZR. To initiate an independent review in the first place. And then make it public. It'll make NZ rugby stronger. Not that we need to be any stronger right?

Agree, focus still 0n what is best for NZ rugby. The individual is never more important than the collective

Yeah, if you're a Marxist or cult leader, perhaps. Wink

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Post by Biltong Fri 08 Sep 2017, 10:43 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Biltong wrote:
ebop wrote:Good show of humility by NZR. To initiate an independent review in the first place. And then make it public. It'll make NZ rugby stronger. Not that we need to be any stronger right?

Agree, focus still 0n what is best for NZ rugby. The individual is never more important than the collective

Yeah, if you're a Marxist or cult leader, perhaps. Wink

Well at least when you sacrafice an individual for the good of NZ rugby he doesn't go down a furnace to the after life Smile
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Post by Gwlad Fri 08 Sep 2017, 4:42 pm

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/rugby-player-banned-10-years-13591664

Yeah, everything just fine in NZ.

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Post by ebop Fri 08 Sep 2017, 7:04 pm

Gwlad wrote:http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/rugby-player-banned-10-years-13591664

Yeah, everything just fine in NZ.
That was in Australia you moron picard

How incompetent is walesonline? Lol

You should be more worried about your rapey Welsh swimmers that pass woman around. Now that's a real scandal and damning indictment on Welsh sport. Shocking.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11919860
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Post by Biltong Fri 08 Sep 2017, 7:27 pm

ebop wrote:
Gwlad wrote:http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/rugby-player-banned-10-years-13591664

Yeah, everything just fine in NZ.
That was in Australia you moron picard

How incompetent is walesonline? Lol

You should be more worried about your rapey Welsh swimmers that pass woman around. Now that's a real scandal and damning indictment on Welsh sport. Shocking.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11919860

That's damning, so damning.
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Post by Biltong Fri 08 Sep 2017, 7:28 pm

ebop wrote:
Gwlad wrote:http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/rugby-player-banned-10-years-13591664

Yeah, everything just fine in NZ.
That was in Australia you moron picard

How incompetent is walesonline? Lol

You should be more worried about your rapey Welsh swimmers that pass woman around. Now that's a real scandal and damning indictment on Welsh sport. Shocking.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11919860

That's damning, so damning. warning
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Post by ebop Fri 08 Sep 2017, 7:39 pm

Good luck this weekend biltong, looking forward to the game of the round. Hopefully you guys keep the momentum going.
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Post by Biltong Fri 08 Sep 2017, 7:46 pm

Thanks mate, I hope so, a few serious concerns but let's see
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Post by Gwlad Sat 09 Sep 2017, 5:03 am

Biltong wrote:
ebop wrote:
Gwlad wrote:http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/rugby-player-banned-10-years-13591664

Yeah, everything just fine in NZ.
That was in Australia you moron picard

How incompetent is walesonline? Lol

You should be more worried about your rapey Welsh swimmers that pass woman around. Now that's a real scandal and damning indictment on Welsh sport. Shocking.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11919860

That's damning, so damning.

it was misreported you moron or are you unable to grasp that

Seems like the Aussies are just as bad as the kiwis.



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Post by ebop Sat 09 Sep 2017, 6:29 am

Gwlad wrote:
Biltong wrote:
ebop wrote:
Gwlad wrote:http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/rugby-player-banned-10-years-13591664

Yeah, everything just fine in NZ.
That was in Australia you moron picard

How incompetent is walesonline? Lol

You should be more worried about your rapey Welsh swimmers that pass woman around. Now that's a real scandal and damning indictment on Welsh sport. Shocking.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11919860

That's damning, so damning.

it was misreported you moron or are you unable to grasp that

Seems like the Aussies are just as bad as the kiwis.


Way to apologise for incorrectly casting aspersions you arrogant graceless moron clap Laugh
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Post by Biltong Sat 09 Sep 2017, 9:34 am

Guys you should probably start ignoring each other, name calling is going to get you nowhere
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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Sep 2017, 9:45 am

Argie Bargie Wink.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 09 Sep 2017, 9:48 am

Closer game in NZ than anyone predicted. Argentina score late in the first half to take an unexpected lead. Two penalties pushed it out to 15-22 but NZ have just hit back with to level at 22-22 with 53 minutes gone.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 09 Sep 2017, 9:50 am

NZ scored that try despite being down to 14 men, after picking up a yellow card.

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Post by aucklandlaurie Sat 09 Sep 2017, 5:57 pm

Gwlad wrote:http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/rugby-player-banned-10-years-13591664

Yeah, everything just fine in NZ.

 Gwlad, In you're eagerness to insult New Zealand and New Zealanders, you appear to have not read the article or watched the video clip that you have posted above.

 The accents on the video clip clearly gives notice that this event happened in Australia.

 The article clearly states that the matter was dealt with by the Hunter Rugby Union, and anyone who appreciates and has experienced a bit of life knows what  the Australian Hunter valley region is famous for.

 People who confuse Australians with New Zealanders need to watch the following clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re0nu9UtEY8

 You will love the part where "New Zealanders are a bunch of cocky A-holes descended from criminals and retarded monkeys"

 Why the Mods on here haven't banned you is beyond me. racism should not be condoned anywhere even on rugby forums.

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Post by aucklandlaurie Sun 10 Sep 2017, 12:39 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Biltong wrote:
ebop wrote:Good show of humility by NZR. To initiate an independent review in the first place. And then make it public. It'll make NZ rugby stronger. Not that we need to be any stronger right?

Agree, focus still 0n what is best for NZ rugby. The individual is never more important than the collective

Yeah, if you're a Marxist or cult leader, perhaps. Wink

 Marx plays for the Springbok cult.

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Post by eirebilly Sun 10 Sep 2017, 10:28 am

They AB's just have that extra gear to go to when things are looking bleak. Yesterday they were under immense pressure from Argentina when down 15 - 22 and a man down but just went into that extra gear and saw Argentina off rather easily in the end.

That said, I still believe they live a rather charmed life with the referee's.
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Post by Collapse2005 Mon 11 Sep 2017, 10:26 am

eirebilly wrote:They AB's just have that extra gear to go to when things are looking bleak. Yesterday they were under immense pressure from Argentina when down 15 - 22 and a man down but just went into that extra gear and saw Argentina off rather easily in the end.

That said, I still believe they live a rather charmed life with the referee's.

Never understand why people use apostrophes for plurals. Sorry I know its not civil to be a grammar n*** but it irks me. Apologies Eirebilly, people in work do it so often too.

I do agree though NZ seem to get away with a lot. I do feel Angus Gardener is a good ref though. Enjoyed the game a lot and I think the Kiwi commentator was right when he said that Argentina should have gone for the try rather than the points when NZ were down to 14 men and creaking.

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Post by aucklandlaurie Mon 11 Sep 2017, 3:56 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
eirebilly wrote:They AB's just have that extra gear to go to when things are looking bleak. Yesterday they were under immense pressure from Argentina when down 15 - 22 and a man down but just went into that extra gear and saw Argentina off rather easily in the end.

That said, I still believe they live a rather charmed life with the referee's.

Never understand why people use apostrophes for plurals. Sorry I know its not civil to be a grammar n*** but it irks me. Apologies Eirebilly, people in work do it so often too.

I do agree though NZ seem to get away with a lot. I do feel Angus Gardener is a good ref though. Enjoyed the game a lot and I think the Kiwi commentator was right when he said that Argentina should have gone for the try rather than the points when NZ were down to 14 men and creaking.

 Are you suggesting that if Angus Gardner sent more New Zealanders off the field he would be a better referee?

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Post by Collapse2005 Tue 12 Sep 2017, 11:35 am

That seems to be what you are suggesting.

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Post by eirebilly Tue 12 Sep 2017, 12:01 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
eirebilly wrote:They AB's just have that extra gear to go to when things are looking bleak. Yesterday they were under immense pressure from Argentina when down 15 - 22 and a man down but just went into that extra gear and saw Argentina off rather easily in the end.

That said, I still believe they live a rather charmed life with the referee's.

Never understand why people use apostrophes for plurals. Sorry I know its not civil to be a grammar n*** but it irks me. Apologies Eirebilly, people in work do it so often too.


I do agree though NZ seem to get away with a lot. I do feel Angus Gardener is a good ref though. Enjoyed the game a lot and I think the Kiwi commentator was right when he said that Argentina should have gone for the try rather than the points when NZ were down to 14 men and creaking.


What can I say, Clare schooling Very Happy

I do not think that the AB's should have more players sent off but I do believe they live a charmed life. They spend more time on the border of the rules than any other team in my opinion. Either that or they are simply the best team in the world and I tend to focus overly on them for that reason alone.


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Post by Gwlad Tue 12 Sep 2017, 6:40 pm

eirebilly wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
eirebilly wrote:They AB's just have that extra gear to go to when things are looking bleak. Yesterday they were under immense pressure from Argentina when down 15 - 22 and a man down but just went into that extra gear and saw Argentina off rather easily in the end.

That said, I still believe they live a rather charmed life with the referee's.

Never understand why people use apostrophes for plurals. Sorry I know its not civil to be a grammar n*** but it irks me. Apologies Eirebilly, people in work do it so often too.


I do agree though NZ seem to get away with a lot. I do feel Angus Gardener is a good ref though. Enjoyed the game a lot and I think the Kiwi commentator was right when he said that Argentina should have gone for the try rather than the points when NZ were down to 14 men and creaking.


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I do not think that the AB's should have more players sent off but I do believe they live a charmed life. They spend more time on the border of the rules than any other team in my opinion. Either that or they are simply the best team in the world and I tend to focus overly on them for that reason alone.



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Post by ebop Tue 12 Sep 2017, 7:45 pm

eirebilly wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
eirebilly wrote:They AB's just have that extra gear to go to when things are looking bleak. Yesterday they were under immense pressure from Argentina when down 15 - 22 and a man down but just went into that extra gear and saw Argentina off rather easily in the end.

That said, I still believe they live a rather charmed life with the referee's.

Never understand why people use apostrophes for plurals. Sorry I know its not civil to be a grammar n*** but it irks me. Apologies Eirebilly, people in work do it so often too.


I do agree though NZ seem to get away with a lot. I do feel Angus Gardener is a good ref though. Enjoyed the game a lot and I think the Kiwi commentator was right when he said that Argentina should have gone for the try rather than the points when NZ were down to 14 men and creaking.


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I do not think that the AB's should have more players sent off but I do believe they live a charmed life. They spend more time on the border of the rules than any other team in my opinion. Either that or they are simply the best team in the world and I tend to focus overly on them for that reason alone.


Yet you ignore the offside rush defensive line that all teams seem to employ against the ABs these days. Referees and ARs need to crack down on this. The Lions got away with murder. As did the Pumas last week.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Tue 12 Sep 2017, 8:41 pm

They only need to crack down on it if they ae offside. Farrell has his teams pretty much spot on. As has Gustard. Makes you wonder what mark mccall who seems to be the brain behind it all with saracens could do in the international stage.

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Post by ebop Tue 12 Sep 2017, 8:55 pm

Point being they are 'on the border of the rules' and get away with it. Is that any different to the ABs and how they 'apparently' get away with things (whatever 'things' means). Eirebilly hit the nail on the head though. Everyone focuses on the ABs and look for every little thing. Some douche bags even worry more about what they do off the field because they have sad pathetic lives.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Tue 12 Sep 2017, 9:05 pm

For me it's the same moan as you used to see for man u or whoever. When a team is winning you see people point to when a team takes advantage of something which is a tight decision etc and point to it as proof they get favour. In reality mistakes or close calls happen with all teams but the better teams just take advantage.

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Post by aucklandlaurie Tue 12 Sep 2017, 9:26 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:For me it's the same moan as you used to see for man u or whoever. When a team is winning you see people point to when a team takes advantage of something which is a tight decision etc and point to it as proof they get favour. In reality mistakes or close calls happen with all teams but the better teams just take advantage.

 Good point made well 7.5.

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Post by Collapse2005 Wed 13 Sep 2017, 9:11 am

ebop wrote:


Yet you ignore the offside rush defensive line that all teams seem to employ against the ABs these days. Referees and ARs need to crack down on this. The Lions got away with murder. As did the Pumas last week.[/quote]

Lol, the ABs do it themselves. Gardner let them away with a few offsides.

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Post by mikey_dragon Wed 13 Sep 2017, 9:23 am

I said it before and I'll say it again. The Lions played like New Zealand in New Zealand! Them kiwi's didn't like that Wink.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Wed 13 Sep 2017, 9:34 am

ebop wrote:Point being they are 'on the border of the rules' and get away with it. Is that any different to the ABs and how they 'apparently' get away with things (whatever 'things' means). Eirebilly hit the nail on the head though. Everyone focuses on the ABs and look for every little thing. Some douche bags even worry more about what they do off the field because they have sad pathetic lives.

To be fair, it's pretty important to have a team of integrity that isn't riddled with womanising, scandals or worse. These things are important, no matter how much the libertarians on here try to pretend otherwise.

I guess that makes the NZRFU douche bags for caring what their players do off the field and trying to address it.

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Post by Collapse2005 Wed 13 Sep 2017, 9:38 am

I dont particularly care what the ABs are like off the field. The only reason the NZRFU care is because they want to continue to attract the best sponsors possible.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Wed 13 Sep 2017, 9:52 am

Collapse2005 wrote:I dont particularly care what the ABs are like off the field. The only reason the NZRFU care is because they want to continue to attract the best sponsors possible.

Good for you. Many do (not just NZ players but rugby players in general). I would rather the players that represent my province or country are men of integrity and respect. Naturally, whether some libertarians like it or not, when a team has a reputation for bad behaviour it reflects badly on them and changes public perception. Which is a good thing as it demands these values to be upheld.

As for suggesting that the only reason the NZRFU care is because of sponsors - how did you come to that knowledge? Did they admit to this? Or are you just making it up?

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Post by aucklandlaurie Wed 13 Sep 2017, 6:49 pm

All Blacks team to play South Africa at QBE Stadium on Saturday:
Kane Hames, Dane Coles, Nepo Laulala, Brodie Retallick, Samuel Whitelock, Liam Squire, Sam Cane, Kieran Read (c), Aaron Smith, Beauden Barrett, Rieko Ioane, Sonny Bill Williams, Ryan Crotty, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Damian McKenzie

Reserves: Codie Taylor, Wyatt Crockett, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Scott Barrett, Ardie Savea, TJ Perenara, Lima Sopoaga, Anton Lienert-Brown



 Ioane, Squire and Aaron Smith back, no Dagg.

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