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Post by Pr4wn on Wed 16 Aug 2017, 3:41 pm

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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 4:45 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's vain I'll give you that..............He graduated from Wharton............He built a 4 billion empire by hard negotiation and taking risks...........He had the number 1 show in the uSA.....Wrote plenty of best sellers....and became President as an outsider..

Can't think of many insecure people that have risen to such lofty heights..
I suspect you'd find quite a lot of 'insecure' people go on to become pretty 'successful'. The drive probably comes from that insecurity. You can't think of them because, generally, they don't strut about in public making it so obvious.

Insecure - Not confident......unsure about oneself...

Not easy to be strong at negotiating and a success in business ......and survive the slings and arrows of a Presidential run without those qualities....

I think you'll find there are many who, like Trump, bluster and gloss over anything negative as a function of their insecurity. You know, presenting a confident front to hide the reality.

OK, maybe not insecurity. Just a narcissist with some nasty lines in xenophobia and sexism thrown in for good measure - a true paragon of leadership and the ideal for POTUS. There was me, trying to at least be a little generous...

He's a narcissist and sensitive like Muhammad Ali was I'll give you that..................But you can be confident with those drawbacks....

I'll take your word on many people that bluster and gloss etc.....I don't know many people that intimately.   Credit to you for being so socially successful. thumbsup
Fair point. I'll take Ali over Trump though, any day, even if he did say some pretty hideous things about some of his opponents boxing .
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 4:48 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's vain I'll give you that..............He graduated from Wharton............He built a 4 billion empire by hard negotiation and taking risks...........He had the number 1 show in the uSA.....Wrote plenty of best sellers....and became President as an outsider..

Can't think of many insecure people that have risen to such lofty heights..
I suspect you'd find quite a lot of 'insecure' people go on to become pretty 'successful'. The drive probably comes from that insecurity. You can't think of them because, generally, they don't strut about in public making it so obvious.

Insecure - Not confident......unsure about oneself...

Not easy to be strong at negotiating and a success in business ......and survive the slings and arrows of a Presidential run without those qualities....

I think you'll find there are many who, like Trump, bluster and gloss over anything negative as a function of their insecurity. You know, presenting a confident front to hide the reality.

OK, maybe not insecurity. Just a narcissist with some nasty lines in xenophobia and sexism thrown in for good measure - a true paragon of leadership and the ideal for POTUS. There was me, trying to at least be a little generous...

He's a narcissist and sensitive like Muhammad Ali was I'll give you that..................But you can be confident with those drawbacks....

I'll take your word on many people that bluster and gloss etc.....I don't know many people that intimately.   Credit to you for being so socially successful. thumbsup
Fair point. I'll take Ali over Trump though, any day, even if he did say some pretty hideous things about some of his opponents boxing .

That's the spirit....... Wink thumbsup

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Post by Gwlad on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 5:05 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's vain I'll give you that..............He graduated from Wharton............He built a 4 billion empire by hard negotiation and taking risks...........He had the number 1 show in the uSA.....Wrote plenty of best sellers....and became President as an outsider..

Can't think of many insecure people that have risen to such lofty heights..
I suspect you'd find quite a lot of 'insecure' people go on to become pretty 'successful'. The drive probably comes from that insecurity. You can't think of them because, generally, they don't strut about in public making it so obvious.

Insecure - Not confident......unsure about oneself...

Not easy to be strong at negotiating and a success in business ......and survive the slings and arrows of a Presidential run without those qualities....


Unless you are thick as shoite which also seems to be an eminently useful characteristic in the case of your pal.

Moving on...

You have to, avoidance is the only way to deal with what is to you apparently a characteristic to be admired, I'd suggest you even identify with it. Exactly what the Buffoon does himself. Lets call it Fake Posts.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 5:22 pm

You're entitled to your opinion.... thumbsup

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Post by Gwlad on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 5:40 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
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Scottrf wrote:I'd say foaming at the mouth with everything you read about him and wishing him a heart attack counts as obsession.
You're free to think what you will.
Actually, I wouldn't give a damn but for the fact that America is a global power and what he does can affect so many. The lives of so many at the whim of someone who only cares about himself... picard

But you don't know he only cares about himself....anymore than you know he is insecure.

Stick to points you can prove or you become as pointless as Gwlad.
Yes, that's true. He might be a true gent in private; one could only hope. Nothing I've read about him and his past really suggests that's a major characteristic though and nothing really justifies his utterances and behaviour over the last few years.
His behaviour fits perfectly with insecurity and I'll continue to suspect that's what he is, but you're right, I can't know for certain.

he isn't insecure, he has a superiority complex whilst also being pathologically ignorant and arrogant.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 9:13 pm

More conjecture....Stick to the facts..

Worth 4 billion.
Very good businessman
Number 1 TV show
Bestselling book writer.
Has a beautiful Wife
President against all the odds.

That we do know...

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Post by Pr4wn on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 9:49 pm

Don't talk about facts and say he's worth 4 billion. Nobody knows how much he's worth, he won't reveal his tax returns.

He also didn't write The Art of the Deal. He's just credited with writing it.

Him having a beautiful wife is not an "accomplishment".

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 10:20 pm

Got the number off the Forbes list..

But if you know better I will concede.

I know how impartial you are on the subject of Trump.

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Post by Gwlad on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 3:46 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Got the number off the Forbes list..

But if you know better I will concede.

I know how impartial you are on the subject of Trump.

And we all know you have a Trump doll that you cuddle up to every night.

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Post by Hero on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 9:23 am

Can we drop the personal jibes before I get the red pen out.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 9:29 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:More conjecture....Stick to the facts..

Worth 4 billion. says Trump
Very good businessman bankrupt how many times?
Number 1 TV show OK, maybe
Bestselling book writer. really?
Has a beautiful Wife relevant how?
President against all the odds. good job Mercer, Breitbart, Cambridge Analytica et al made it happen for him - anyone would think it was all, and only, Trump wot won it

That we do knowhave been told by Trump...
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Post by LionsV2 on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 9:35 am

Democratically elected President, seems people only like democracy when it goes there way.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 10:06 am

Lots of stupid people out there.

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 10:07 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:More conjecture....Stick to the facts..

Worth 4 billion. says Trump
Very good businessman bankrupt how many times?
Number 1 TV show OK, maybe
Bestselling book writer. really?
Has a beautiful Wife relevant how?
President against all the odds. good job Mercer, Breitbart, Cambridge Analytica et al made it happen for him - anyone would think it was all, and only, Trump wot won it

That we do knowhave been told by Trump...
Nobody who is successful is scared of failure.

Who doesn't want a beautiful wife?

You think niche broadcasters won him the election? Really?

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Post by Ent on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 10:12 am

LionsV2 wrote:Democratically elected President, seems people only like democracy when it goes there way.

People like democracy but that doesn't stop it being flawed at times.

Getting 2.8 million votes less and becoming president is one of these times.

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Post by LionsV2 on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 10:15 am

Ent wrote:
LionsV2 wrote:Democratically elected President, seems people only like democracy when it goes there way.

People like democracy but that doesn't stop it being flawed at times.

Getting 2.8 million votes less and becoming president is one of these times.

That's the Electoral College system for you, he targeted the states he needed to win and if they used PR for instance it would change how they go about campaigning.

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Post by Ent on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 10:19 am

LionsV2 wrote:
Ent wrote:
LionsV2 wrote:Democratically elected President, seems people only like democracy when it goes there way.

People like democracy but that doesn't stop it being flawed at times.

Getting 2.8 million votes less and becoming president is one of these times.

That's the collegiate system for you, he targeted the states he needed to win and if they used PR for instance it would change how they go about campaigning.

Correct, he won fair and square under their rules.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 10:44 am

Gwlad wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Got the number off the Forbes list..

But if you know better I will concede.

I know how impartial you are on the subject of Trump.

And we all know you have a Trump doll that you cuddle up to every night.

Zzzzzzzzz.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 10:48 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:More conjecture....Stick to the facts..

Worth 4 billion. says Trump
Very good businessman bankrupt how many times?
Number 1 TV show OK, maybe
Bestselling book writer. really?
Has a beautiful Wife relevant how?
President against all the odds. good job Mercer, Breitbart, Cambridge Analytica et al made it happen for him - anyone would think it was all, and only, Trump wot won it

That we do knowhave been told by Trump...

That really is a poor post...

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Post by navyblueshorts on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 11:24 am

Scottrf wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:More conjecture....Stick to the facts..

Worth 4 billion. says Trump
Very good businessman bankrupt how many times?
Number 1 TV show OK, maybe
Bestselling book writer. really?
Has a beautiful Wife relevant how?
President against all the odds. good job Mercer, Breitbart, Cambridge Analytica et al made it happen for him - anyone would think it was all, and only, Trump wot won it

That we do knowhave been told by Trump...
Nobody who is successful is scared of failure.

Who doesn't want a beautiful wife?

You think niche broadcasters won him the election? Really?
Breitbart is huge and it was Mercer's Cambridge Analytica etc who set up the targeted Facebook/Twitter feeds etc. Of course the Arch-Egocentrist was a part of it all, but to propose that it was all his master plan is laughable.

As for the beautiful wife, I'm probably doing her an injustice, but to paraphrase Mrs. Merton: "So, what first attracted you to the billionaire, Donald Trump?"
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Post by navyblueshorts on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 11:27 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:More conjecture....Stick to the facts..

Worth 4 billion. says Trump
Very good businessman bankrupt how many times?
Number 1 TV show OK, maybe
Bestselling book writer. really?
Has a beautiful Wife relevant how?
President against all the odds. good job Mercer, Breitbart, Cambridge Analytica et al made it happen for him - anyone would think it was all, and only, Trump wot won it

That we do knowhave been told by Trump...

That really is a poor post...
I bow to your greater knowledge of poor posts kiss...

We (well, America) are where we are. He's POTUS and we'll see how it plays out. At least the comedians are happy - what is it about recent GOP presidential candidates that they're too often such comedy gold?
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 11:30 am

"To propose it was all his master plan is ridiculous"

Wasn't aware anyone was proposing that........You're smokescreening again.

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Post by Gwlad on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 4:46 am

No point debating anything with Trussman, like his pal in the WH he dismisses anything he doesnt agree with as not being factual....sound familiar.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 5:52 am

Intrigued that he's also credited for the TV series too. I'm not entirely sure I'd call him a very good businessman.

I don't doubt that he's somewhat intelligent, quite like Katie Price is also somewhat intelligent and many other people who others say are stupid, and he sure knows how to indulge/please/placate the people who rather (and I mean media and online rather than here) sycophantically follow him.

I don't really think he's the issue for much of it, though. Much like Brexit, large and loud groups supported a side and followed it wherever I took them, looking to win like it was a sport.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 8:53 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Intrigued that he's also credited for the TV series too. I'm not entirely sure I'd call him a very good businessman.

I don't doubt that he's somewhat intelligent, quite like Katie Price is also somewhat intelligent and many other people who others say are stupid, and he sure knows how to indulge/please/placate the people who rather (and I mean media and online rather than here) sycophantically follow him.

I don't really think he's the issue for much of it, though. Much like Brexit, large and loud groups supported a side and followed it wherever I took them, looking to win like it was a sport.

People voted for him for a lot of reasons..Positive and negative.

The fact is there are a lot of people smarter and more intelligent...They have been far less succesful.

Winning the white house against the establishment is a magnificent performance..Silly to run it down because of dislike...

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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 9:23 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Intrigued that he's also credited for the TV series too. I'm not entirely sure I'd call him a very good businessman.

I don't doubt that he's somewhat intelligent, quite like Katie Price is also somewhat intelligent and many other people who others say are stupid, and he sure knows how to indulge/please/placate the people who rather (and I mean media and online rather than here) sycophantically follow him.

I don't really think he's the issue for much of it, though. Much like Brexit, large and loud groups supported a side and followed it wherever I took them, looking to win like it was a sport.

People voted for him for a lot of reasons..Positive and negative.

The fact is there are a lot of people smarter and more intelligent...They have been far less succesful.

Winning the white house against the establishment is a magnificent performance..Silly to run it down because of dislike...
OK, overturning the starting odds is 'impressive', but I put it to you that Trump won because of dissatisfaction with the status quo, austerity and because he was backed by entities like Breitbart etc. He had zero thought through strategy, although I suspect Mercer et al had exactly that. He lied through his teeth, behaved like a pr*ck the whole campaign and desperate/daft people lapped it up even though many must have known it was pretty much all BS. Bit like the £350m per week for the NHS and all that over here...

Want to know how National Socialism in Weimer Germany could ever have happened? Well, now you have some idea.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 9:58 am

It doesn't matter how he won...Doesn't matter if he invented the Apprentice..Doesn't matter if he didn't write the books himself.

Maybe he was lucky to accumulate great wealth and become a larger than life celebrity..All irrelevant.

I wouldn't criticise Katie Price either..She probably knows more about promotion than any Oxford graduate..

Worth 40m more than most topless models...She ain't stupid.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 10:33 am

So the original point is you see trumps behaviour as placating and pandering to his core support rather than being insecure.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 10:39 am

Trump is just being Trump...

He is unsuited to the role of President...Doesn't discount the amazing achievement though in becoming President.

Never vote for him...But I respect he has had a remarkable career.


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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 10:43 am

It was a good achievement. Not sure I buy into him being a brilliant businessman as it reminds me a little of the IT Crowd. To paraphrase all I had when I started my business was a small idea and 4 billion pounds.

I would love to know how much of his speeches are his writers and how much is him getting distracted and waffling though!

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 3:18 pm

Wasn't criticising Katie Price, in fact you've made my point for me whilst saying I was criticising her!

Intelligence is a complicated beast: top sportsman are a perfect example. The way, say, Wayne Rooney's brain works as he plays football shows incredible intelligence. Yet someone really good at quizzes is seen as more intelligent even though you'd argue a great general knowledge is somewhat useless.

Trump isn't stupid, is what I'm saying, whilst I also think he's an idiot. But that may be down to my slight different definitions.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 4:34 pm

I wasn't accusing you of criticising Price someone further up the thread mentioned her...So the first bit of your post is irrelevant though perhaps I should have been clearer..

Not really interested in a debate on intelligence either....

I'm pointing out it takes an extraordinary individual to overturn the power of two party politics and become President without having any ground game......The GOP threw its weight behind Jeb, Rubio and Cruz then reluctantly accepted him.....Clinton out spent him 5-1.....

He still won......It is a helluva achievement.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 26 Aug 2017, 3:52 am

As illuminating as ever, Truss!

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Post by Gwlad on Sat 26 Aug 2017, 7:01 am

Trussman you are going to look as idiotic as your boy when he finally comes undone.

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Post by Gwlad on Sat 26 Aug 2017, 7:06 am

For starters you must be so proud of how he has brought us to the brink of an extended conflict in the Pacific in just under 5 months.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Sat 26 Aug 2017, 2:16 pm

Newsflash! Xenophobe POTUS pardons convicted, xenophobic, geriatric ex-Sheriff. Wait a moment, how is this even news?
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 26 Aug 2017, 2:53 pm

Super Trump to the rescue Wink

http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-signs-disaster-proclamation-as-hurricane-harvey-hits-11005943

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Post by Gwlad on Sat 26 Aug 2017, 3:28 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:Newsflash! Xenophobe POTUS pardons convicted, xenophobic, geriatric ex-Sheriff. Wait a moment, how is this even news?

Lets see what else Donald hides under Hurricane Harvey.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 26 Aug 2017, 3:40 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:Newsflash! Xenophobe POTUS pardons convicted, xenophobic, geriatric ex-Sheriff. Wait a moment, how is this even news?

Considering the Presidential pardons other Presidents have handed out it's no big deal..

But of course you wouldn't know that and I can't be bothered educating you.

Leader Approval ratings....

IFOP....Macron 36%
MORI....May 34%
GALLUP...Trump 37%

Merkel is 60% Corbyn 42%...But the others put the President in perspective..

More jobs..Standard of living up....counters inept leadership.

For sure Trump has nothing to do with those positive things but you can own anything on.... Your Watch..

Don't get your hopes up on him going..

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 2:21 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Newsflash! Xenophobe POTUS pardons convicted, xenophobic, geriatric ex-Sheriff. Wait a moment, how is this even news?

Considering the Presidential pardons other Presidents have handed out it's no big deal..

But of course you wouldn't know that and I can't be bothered educating you.

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Ah. of course. Two 'wrongs' do make a 'right'. Then again, as I implied - why is this even news? It was entirely in-character and expected of this chump.
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Post by Pr4wn on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 2:50 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:Newsflash! Xenophobe POTUS pardons convicted, xenophobic, geriatric ex-Sheriff. Wait a moment, how is this even news?

I thought he wasn't convicted yet.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 2:58 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Newsflash! Xenophobe POTUS pardons convicted, xenophobic, geriatric ex-Sheriff. Wait a moment, how is this even news?

Considering the Presidential pardons other Presidents have handed out it's no big deal..

But of course you wouldn't know that and I can't be bothered educating you.

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Ah. of course. Two 'wrongs' do make a 'right'. Then again, as I implied - why is this even news? It was entirely in-character and expected of this chump.

Like Iran-Contra people being pardoned under Bush sr which stunk............I was merely pointing out that misuse of the tool has always been widespread..

Silly to assume I was saying two wrongs make a right...but predictable.....You take things out of context regularly.

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Post by Pr4wn on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 3:07 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Newsflash! Xenophobe POTUS pardons convicted, xenophobic, geriatric ex-Sheriff. Wait a moment, how is this even news?

Considering the Presidential pardons other Presidents have handed out it's no big deal..

But of course you wouldn't know that and I can't be bothered educating you.

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Ah. of course. Two 'wrongs' do make a 'right'. Then again, as I implied - why is this even news? It was entirely in-character and expected of this chump.

Like Iran-Contra people being pardoned under Bush sr which stunk............I was merely pointing out that misuse of the tool has always been widespread..

Silly to assume I was saying two wrongs make a right...but predictable.....You take things out of context regularly.

Not sure why you're being so snarky.

Saying that others have misused Presidential powers in the past is not a defense for Trump misusing it.

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Post by Hero on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 3:11 pm

They aren't, but were things like that raised at the time.
I despise Trump, but there is a witch hunt of trying to throw anything at him when others have done similar prior.
'Trump's done a mean thing'
'Obama also did that mean thing'
'But Obama was a good guy so we let him'.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 3:45 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Newsflash! Xenophobe POTUS pardons convicted, xenophobic, geriatric ex-Sheriff. Wait a moment, how is this even news?

Considering the Presidential pardons other Presidents have handed out it's no big deal..

But of course you wouldn't know that and I can't be bothered educating you.

...
Ah. of course. Two 'wrongs' do make a 'right'. Then again, as I implied - why is this even news? It was entirely in-character and expected of this chump.

Like Iran-Contra people being pardoned under Bush sr which stunk............I was merely pointing out that misuse of the tool has always been widespread..

Silly to assume I was saying two wrongs make a right...but predictable.....You take things out of context regularly.

Not sure why you're being so snarky.

Saying that others have misused Presidential powers in the past is not a defense for Trump misusing it.

I didn't bring it up and I'm not being snarky..............Just if someone is going to moan about the pardon I just think context is good.

You read things like "He is the worst President in history"...........From people who can name about 5 out of 45......

Be glad I think you and Navy are worth being corrected and not ignored......It is a compliment. thumbsup

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Post by Gwlad on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 4:09 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Newsflash! Xenophobe POTUS pardons convicted, xenophobic, geriatric ex-Sheriff. Wait a moment, how is this even news?

Considering the Presidential pardons other Presidents have handed out it's no big deal..

But of course you wouldn't know that and I can't be bothered educating you.

...
Ah. of course. Two 'wrongs' do make a 'right'. Then again, as I implied - why is this even news? It was entirely in-character and expected of this chump.

Like Iran-Contra people being pardoned under Bush sr which stunk............I was merely pointing out that misuse of the tool has always been widespread..

Silly to assume I was saying two wrongs make a right...but predictable.....You take things out of context regularly.

Not sure why you're being so snarky.

Saying that others have misused Presidential powers in the past is not a defense for Trump misusing it.

I didn't bring it up and I'm not being snarky..............Just if someone is going to moan about the pardon I just think context is good.

You read things like "He is the worst President in history"...........From people who can name about 5 out of 45......

Be glad I think you and Navy are worth being corrected and not ignored......It is a compliment. thumbsup

Laugh it thinks it is something pretty special

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 4:20 pm

Hero wrote:They aren't, but were things like that raised at the time.
I despise Trump, but there is a witch hunt of trying to throw anything at him when others have done similar prior.
'Trump's done a mean thing'
'Obama also did that mean thing'
'But Obama was a good guy so we let him'.

Correct. That's the only thing that bothers me about the Trump presidency.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 4:20 pm

LionsV2 wrote:Democratically elected President, seems people only like democracy when it goes there way.

Nixon got more votes than JFK............Gore got more votes than Bush............

Over here UKIP got 13% in 2015 and the Libs got 8%ish which saw 8 LIberals and one Ukiper elected....I don't know if other systems are better though....PR could lead to gridlock.

If Clinton could do the Election again I think she would sack whoever told her to campaign in places like Texas (That were not needed) and instead visit the rust belt more often....I'm afraid like Theresa May found out you can't take anything for granted....

They did..

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 5:13 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
Hero wrote:They aren't, but were things like that raised at the time.
I despise Trump, but there is a witch hunt of trying to throw anything at him when others have done similar prior.
'Trump's done a mean thing'
'Obama also did that mean thing'
'But Obama was a good guy so we let him'.

Correct. That's the only thing that bothers me about the Trump presidency.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 01 Sep 2017, 10:44 am

A little light reading....

PPP.........Do you trust the President more than Cable news ??

Trump 39%
News 56%

MSU.....Do you agree with Trump that the media and journalists are the enemy of the American people ??

Yes 34%
No 59%

HHP.....Do you approve of the way the media treat the President ??

Yes 47%
No 53%

HHP....Do you agree with the way Trump treats the media ??

Yes 41%
No 59%...

Trump was pretty much 50/50 when polled about whether he was as trusted as the media a few months ago which suggests a certain corrosion in his core support.......

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