The Trump Presidency

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Assault rifle.

That is not self-defence.

Michael Flynn has promised his "full cooperation with the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that - as a candidate - Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians"

The noose is tightening.

Expect Mueller to be fired anyday

Samo wrote:Michael Flynn has promised his "full cooperation with the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that - as a candidate - Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians"

The noose is tightening.

Really? That would be interesting. Source?

navyblueshorts wrote:

Samo wrote:Michael Flynn has promised his "full cooperation with the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that - as a candidate - Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians"

The noose is tightening.

Really? That would be interesting. Source?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-testify/flynn-prepared-to-testify-trump-directed-him-to-contact-russians-abc-idUSKBN1DV5D1

GSC wrote:Expect Mueller to be fired anyday

Hmmm he might just be untouchable now, unless something can be done to discredit him, if Trump fires him after Flynn's statement then the game is up.

In fact I'd venture to say if anyone recalls the great ending to All The Presidents Men, keep watching that tickertape...now the connection is made at the top its going to come thick and fast.

Samo wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Samo wrote:Michael Flynn has promised his "full cooperation with the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that - as a candidate - Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians"

The noose is tightening.

Really? That would be interesting. Source?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-testify/flynn-prepared-to-testify-trump-directed-him-to-contact-russians-abc-idUSKBN1DV5D1

More fake news, that has now been 'clarified' by ABC.

"CLARIFICATION of ABC News Special Report: Flynn prepared to testify that President-elect Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians *during the transition* -- initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria, confidant now says."

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/936760299146956800

Duty281 wrote:

Samo wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Samo wrote:Michael Flynn has promised his "full cooperation with the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that - as a candidate - Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians"

The noose is tightening.

Really? That would be interesting. Source?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-testify/flynn-prepared-to-testify-trump-directed-him-to-contact-russians-abc-idUSKBN1DV5D1

More fake news, that has now been 'clarified' by ABC.

"CLARIFICATION of ABC News Special Report: Flynn prepared to testify that President-elect Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians *during the transition* -- initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria, confidant now says."

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/936760299146956800

It was fun while it lasted.

Duty281 wrote:

Samo wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Samo wrote:Michael Flynn has promised his "full cooperation with the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that - as a candidate - Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians"

The noose is tightening.

Really? That would be interesting. Source?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-testify/flynn-prepared-to-testify-trump-directed-him-to-contact-russians-abc-idUSKBN1DV5D1

More fake news, that has now been 'clarified' by ABC.

"CLARIFICATION of ABC News Special Report: Flynn prepared to testify that President-elect Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians *during the transition* -- initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria, confidant now says."

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/936760299146956800

Touché. However, Trump now does the opposite of most people in the States (i.e. 'take the 5th') and self-incriminates himself with one of his dumber tweets, suggesting he knew Flynn had lied to Pence and the FBI when he initially claimed he was sacked only because he'd lied to Pence. What an exemplar POTUS he's turning out to be ...

Probably not that far away from reaching the tipping point where Trump starts pardoning people to stop them testifying

Have to laugh at the Alabama result, especially after Trump came out in support of Moore. Then again, probably saw him as a kindred spirit...

Moore is literal scum but still got half the vote. It's not that funny sadly

And even Trump endorsed a different republican candidate.

GoP might encounter a similar issue to Labour, the hardcore pushing candidates that have less appeal nationwide.

GSC wrote:Moore is literal scum but still got half the vote. It's not that funny sadly

Yep. Have to wonder what that half were thinking. U.S. politics seems to have entered into an extremely polarised state. People would rather vote for 'one of their own', no matter what skeletons he/she might have in their closet or even that they might be incompetent and the 'opposition' candidate has better policies. We're heading that way in the U.K. too. Sorry times.

navyblueshorts wrote:

GSC wrote:Moore is literal scum but still got half the vote. It's not that funny sadly

Yep. Have to wonder what that half were thinking. U.S. politics seems to have entered into an extremely polarised state. People would rather vote for 'one of their own', no matter what skeletons he/she might have in their closet or even that they might be incompetent and the 'opposition' candidate has better policies. We're heading that way in the U.K. too. Sorry times.

It has always been thus. Most people vote for the party (and in turn its national leader) rather than on the merit (or lack thereof) of their individual local candidate.

My grandmother knows little, and cares even less, about politics, but if she stood for the Labour Party somewhere in Liverpool or the Tory party somewhere in Dorset, she would get elected.

Duty is correct.

Think the  bigger blow for Trump was failing to get Luther Strange past Roy Moore. Not even he can rein in the storm he created. Moore lost because he was utterly toxic. Strange wouldve cruised home

navyblueshorts wrote:

GSC wrote:Moore is literal scum but still got half the vote. It's not that funny sadly

Yep. Have to wonder what that half were thinking. U.S. politics seems to have entered into an extremely polarised state. People would rather vote for 'one of their own', no matter what skeletons he/she might have in their closet or even that they might be incompetent and the 'opposition' candidate has better policies. We're heading that way in the U.K. too. Sorry times.

You need to understand that Alabama is a Christian right state...It is red through and through..Socially Conservative to its core..

Which means subjects like Abortion.. Pornography etc to many are sins and those positions outweigh participant bios in Elections to many right wingers (Roe v Wade)....Factor in racial factors and tax policy too by all means.

Jones scraped up the soft red vote and floaters did well to win at all.

Congratulations to him

Totally understand your points, Truss.

Still doesn't make the fact that a much-accused child abuser got almost half the votes utterly shocking.

But, as we've seen before, you apparently can be a child abuser and a conservative Christian at the same time.

Innocent until proven guilty maybe?

Maybe, hence why I didn't say that he was a child abuser.

Just an accused child abuser by many people.

Pr4wn wrote:Totally understand your points, Truss.

Still doesn't make the fact that a much-accused child abuser got almost half the votes utterly shocking.

But, as we've seen before, you apparently can be a child abuser and a conservative Christian at the same time.

Why is it shocking??...If he is guilty he resigns and they vote for another low tax..trickle down..small govt..anti abortion and anti pornography hypocrite..

Charles Manson if he was a Republican probably gets 40 percent in Alabama and 40 percent in Vermont as a Democrat.

Hatred of what the other side represents takes priority

Pr4wn wrote:Maybe, hence why I didn't say that he was a child abuser.

Just an accused child abuser by many people.

If you're against him being voted for based on being accused, that's not innocent until proven guilty.

Scottrf wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Maybe, hence why I didn't say that he was a child abuser.

Just an accused child abuser by many people.

If you're against him being voted for based on being accused, that's not innocent until proven guilty.

Yes it is, I never said he was guilty?

I just don't fancy having a bloke with so many sexual assault accusers in the Senate. Just doesn't look very good, you know?

Pr4wn wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Maybe, hence why I didn't say that he was a child abuser.

Just an accused child abuser by many people.

If you're against him being voted for based on being accused, that's not innocent until proven guilty.

Yes it is, I never said he was guilty?

I just don't fancy having a bloke with so many sexual assault accusers in the Senate. Just doesn't look very good, you know?

Yeah, that's not treating somebody as innocent.

Of course it is.

Are you unable to distinguish between the assumption of guilt and not wanting an accused diddler in the Senate?

You can't just not take accusations like that into account when casting a vote, can you?

Pr4wn wrote:Of course it is.

Are you unable to distinguish between the assumption of guilt and not wanting an accused diddler in the Senate?

You can't just not take accusations like that into account when casting a vote, can you?

You can if you treat them as innocent.

You are, of course, correct Scottrf. However, I look forward to Moore, Trump etc suing their accusers successfully because, you know, they're innocent etc. Certainly, Trump's never jumped on anyone via legal means at the slightest provocation has he? Wonder what's different this time?

SoJoe 'Kinnock' Biden v Ryan in 2020. Pretty easy to call that one and a huge Dem mistake

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/42360539/matthew-petersen-trump-s-nominee-for-judge-flubs-law-test

lol out loud

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42375149

Donald’s greatest success of his first of eight years.

You going to support his repatriation of taxes to the US even if they go from the UK?

If Trump survives till 2020....Parties are very reluctant to replace an incumbent....

If I was going to bet on a Republican in 2020 I'd bet on Pence keeping the White House.

1. Chances are Trump won't last till then and he will be President.
2. Pence can only restore dignity to the office....Like Obama after Bush..
3. The Economy is improving and very few Presidents lose when people have more money in their pockets.

Liz Warren will be a good bet for the Dems should Trump stay and fight 2020 or if a Ryan type wins the nomination should Trump not get re-selected.

1. Time for a Woman
2. She will get Sanders approval and he is polling better than Biden.

Duty281 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42375149

Donald’s greatest success of his first of eight years.

Please explain to us simple folks why that is a good thing?

lostinwales wrote:

Duty281 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42375149

Donald’s greatest success of his first of eight years.

Please explain to us simple folks why that is a good thing?

I didn't say whether or not I thought it was a good thing; merely that, from Donald's perspective, this is his major legislative achievement of the year.

Greed is good. Good for you, good for me, good for Britain

Gwlad wrote:Greed is good. Good for you, good for me, good for Britain

Believe me.

There's a new book that is coming out, but Trump is trying to put a Bannon it.

That's Hillaryous.

Maybe someone should start a Kids Party of America. KPA. Lots of votes in something like that.

Also, think of what all the extra popcorn and iced slushies would do to the economy in the run up to the Election.
They could buy the Presidency if they wanted to... with all those kids having generated all those funds.
And the kids would also have some left over to give away as free movie tickets.
It would be great having a 22 y.o. kid with 2/3 of a science degree (unfinished) but with top computer skills running the country!

On the other hand, if there's a run on double choc malts and cheeseburgers.... then I think we're stuck with the Don.

Wow!
That would be like having the keys to the locker room and first go at towel lashing the skinny white kid from Missouri who just arrived at college!

Is there no beginning to this man's dignity or respect for his Office?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42661435

It's not a nice thing to say but I never 100% believe anything I hear about Trump when the source is 'word of mouth.' Unsurprisingly, a lot of people agree with him.

Useless as Trump is..

Unemployment Jan 2017....4.6 %
Unemployment Jan 2018....4.1%

Economic growth Jan 2017...1.8%
Economic growth Jan 2018....3.1%

Have a clueless p**ck that is on Twitter 24/7 while more jobs are being created and standard of living is rising because of the upturn..

Not sure where this is going....Like the UK all bets are off.

Maybe there is a God; it's just that he/she is a b@st@rd with an evil sense of humour.

Democrats need to lead the narrative, now, about why those figures exist. It ain't down to Trump.

200,000 more jobs created in January......This FBI stuff...and standard of living rising...

Things going well for the Twitter in Chief...

Like Corbyn he is finding Social media is levelling out a biased MSM.

Rasmussen..Is Trump doing a good job as President ??

Yes 35
No 38...

Not a bad poll that...

Is there no low that Trump won't fathom?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43174069

This is the same Vietnam draft-dodging Trump who's claiming someone (a 54-y/o 'School Resource Officer'; not some SWAT expert touting a sub-machine gun) could well be a coward when confronted with a situation where a wingnut has an assault rifle to his handgun. This is the Trump who has absolutely no idea about, or knowledge of, the variety of reactions people exhibit in situations like this.
Trump: the very definition of a sewer dweller.

As ever he words it appallingly but he's not entirely wrong.

While access to guns remains the key problem in the US

Rasmussen....Approval ratings..

Feb 2010

Obama 45%

Feb 2018

Trump 50%

Economy is growing.....More jobs....Standard of living is going up.

As with Warren Harding and Ulysses Grant...People would rather have a successful Idiot than an intellectual loser.

Well. Based on this thread (yes I read back, that's what happens when you're bored at work ) that a lot of people are desperate for Trump to fail (and no longer be President), so desperate that instead of sitting back, and letting him fail on his own, they're throwing everything at him to make him fail.

As a result, instead of those who voted for Trump feeling let down by his incompetence, they're pushed into being defensive of Trump by all of the anti-Trump people and they end up looking at Trump in a better light because the left wing vitriol is a worse prospect in their opinion.

If you think Trump is that bad, let him be that bad and be proved right, instead of ramming it down people's throats and turning people against you, instead of against Trump.

In essence don't complain about bad stuff and just let it happen?

Seems like a terrible idea