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Post by Pr4wn on Wed 16 Aug 2017, 3:41 pm

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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 25 Jan 2019, 2:03 pm

Whoops. Another one bites the dust:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47002713
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Post by JuliusHMarx on Fri 25 Jan 2019, 2:31 pm

Mueller slowly draining the swamp.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 7:11 am

Roger Stone has always been controversial...Wouldn't read too much into it..Best known for his feud with the YT..

Small feed

There is CNN....Fox and then there are real news broadcasters..

See the Telegraph have had to pay substantial damages and print an apology to Melanie Trump for maligning her..

Not sure why Politicians spouses and kids need to be targeted personally..Always seems a little bit cheap..

Remember when that paper was worth reading.

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Post by Pr4wn on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 7:50 am

Kids, yes. I agree with you 100%.

But Melania is fair game. She's had to put up with way less than Michelle Obama did.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 8:58 am

90% of the MSM are Liberal... So Michelle Obama had it easy..

Try to be objective for once....

Melania Trump is always being crappily treated....The thick...empty headed..gold digging stuff wore thin two years ago..

Wives and kids should be kept out of it....Unless of course you think you are co President like Hilary...But she was a one off..

Thank heavens.



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Post by Samo on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 10:20 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:90% of the MSM are Liberal... So Michelle Obama had it easy..


Thats an incredibly bold statement.

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Post by Pr4wn on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 1:33 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:90% of the MSM are Liberal... So Michelle Obama had it easy.

Lol, behave.

As I said, I agree kids should be kept out of it. But if wives are aiding and abetting their infantile, racist, cowardly sexual predator husbands, they're fair game.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 4:22 pm

Not a bold statement at all..90% of the MSM is pro Democrat..

Over 240 Daily newspapers endorsed Hilary in 2016..

Only 20 supported Trump..

Fox news is the only channel that supports the GOP....

Easily verifiable if you wish to try to dispute..

But if people want to make subjective statements with no corroborative facts please do..

Always happy to correct them in a friendly and sociable manner.




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Post by Samo on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 4:40 pm

The numbers only tell half the story. Most right wing publications were only "endorsing" Hillary by being anti Trump. It wasnt a case of "We're backing Hillary because she's best for the job" but more "We're backing her because its the lesser of two evils".

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Post by JuliusHMarx on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 7:04 pm

Hillary - 243
Trump - 20
No endorsement - 64
Others - 21

Even if we add 'Others' to 'pro Democrat', that makes 264 out of 348. Which obviously doesn't equal 90%.

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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 10:27 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:Hillary - 243
Trump - 20
No endorsement - 64
Others - 21

Even if we add 'Others' to 'pro Democrat', that makes 264 out of 348. Which obviously doesn't equal 90%.

No, it's only 75.86%.
But if you add 75.86% of the "No endorsement" to "pro Democrat' and "Others", that makes 312 out of 348. Which equals 89.81%.

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Post by Pr4wn on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 10:28 pm

Also, not backing Trump does not mean Liberal. Many senior Republican politicians supported Hillary over the Donald. Does that make them liberal? Of course not. This idea that anything left of Trump is liberal is asinine.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 27 Jan 2019, 9:24 am

Obama led Romney by a big margin in Print endorsements as he did McCain..

Romney only had Fox news....While MSNBC...NBC..CNN etc etc etc supported Obama..

Pays in life to be more objective....Do I want Trump to win in 2020....Nope...

But life isn't black and white..

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Post by Pr4wn on Sun 27 Jan 2019, 10:28 am

Are you being patronising on purpose?

Saying that 90% of the MSM is liberal, you just can't prove that.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 27 Jan 2019, 11:23 am

Find the lack of context with Trump irritating..

Bill Clinton was a r**ist who did more than grab women by their p***y.....Clinton was secretly talking with Russia...Clinton was supposedly Anti Wall Street but taking millions from them...The Clinton's were misusing Charitable funds..The 'liberal' Clintons put more black people behind bars than any GOP President in the last 100 years with 'three strikes'..

But it's okay because 90% of the MSM is Democrat..

Like I say I hope a Democrat wins in 2020 but I'm not so blinkered I can't see hypocrisy..

Same here with 90% of the MSM in the Conservative pocket..

We had the Question Time presenter putting out Fake news last week..

Pays to shop around.. rather than buy in the same place..

Makes you more well rounded and that can only be a good thing..


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Post by JuliusHMarx on Sun 27 Jan 2019, 11:28 am

Actually it's not 90%, it's 93%. FACT.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 27 Jan 2019, 11:30 am

I liked Harpo best.

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Post by JuliusHMarx on Sun 27 Jan 2019, 11:47 am

Because he never said anything he couldn't back up with evidence?

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Post by Samo on Sun 27 Jan 2019, 12:46 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Find the lack of context with Trump irritating..

Bill Clinton was a r**ist who did more than grab women by their p***y.....Clinton was secretly talking with Russia...Clinton was supposedly Anti Wall Street but taking millions from them...The Clinton's were misusing Charitable funds..The 'liberal' Clintons put more black people behind bars than any GOP President in the last 100 years with 'three strikes'..

But it's okay because 90% of the MSM is Democrat..

Whataboutery. Noun. The technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.

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Post by JuliusHMarx on Sun 27 Jan 2019, 1:07 pm

Thing is, most of the mainstream media in the US is left-leaning. But using stats in a clearly incorrect way, to make factually incorrect statements, actually weakens the credibility of the argument.

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Post by Pr4wn on Sun 27 Jan 2019, 2:10 pm

It's all relative anyway. US politics is extremely conservative when compared to the politics of most of mainland Europe. Most Democrats are actually very conservative in their policy-making. It's just that the Republicans, especially in the last few years, lurch even further to the right.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 28 Jan 2019, 1:59 pm

Samo wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Find the lack of context with Trump irritating..

Bill Clinton was a r**ist who did more than grab women by their p***y.....Clinton was secretly talking with Russia...Clinton was supposedly Anti Wall Street but taking millions from them...The Clinton's were misusing Charitable funds..The 'liberal' Clintons put more black people behind bars than any GOP President in the last 100 years with 'three strikes'..

But it's okay because 90% of the MSM is Democrat..

Whataboutery.  Noun.  The technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.

Not really whataboutery giving examples of the MSM's hypocritical assaults on Trump...

But if you can't deal with the substance I'm happy to plead guilty as charged if it makes you feel better..

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Post by Samo on Mon 28 Jan 2019, 3:39 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Samo wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Find the lack of context with Trump irritating..

Bill Clinton was a r**ist who did more than grab women by their p***y.....Clinton was secretly talking with Russia...Clinton was supposedly Anti Wall Street but taking millions from them...The Clinton's were misusing Charitable funds..The 'liberal' Clintons put more black people behind bars than any GOP President in the last 100 years with 'three strikes'..

But it's okay because 90% of the MSM is Democrat..

Whataboutery.  Noun.  The technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.

Not really whataboutery giving examples of the MSM's hypocritical assaults on Trump...

But if you can't deal with the substance I'm happy to plead guilty as charged if it makes you feel better..

It was more the fact you attacked the Clintons.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 28 Jan 2019, 3:57 pm

We have been talking about Trump's press as you know..

Thinking Clinton's media criticism or lack of it..is relevant in a Trump media conversation....Being his conquered opponent and all that..

Nothing worth falling out about...Especially me being on my best behaviour..

While there is still hope of being invited to the Music Society Coffee morning....


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Post by JuliusHMarx on Mon 28 Jan 2019, 4:07 pm

We don't drink coffee.

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Post by Pal Joey on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 8:14 am

Bummer.

So many court cases going on, aren't there? Lots of dirty water and debris in those swamps. The clean up will go on forever, no doubt.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 12:29 pm

312,000 more jobs created in the US in December...

If Trump went on holiday for 20 months and stayed off twitter he'd probably get re-elected..

Trump could be the only President in History to preside over a decent economy and get kicked out..

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Post by Pr4wn on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 12:46 pm

Amazing what happens when your predecessor brings the economy that the Republicans ruined back from the brink, then turned it into a flourishing machine, eh?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 1:57 pm

President owns his Economy..

Trump's is a good one...At the moment anyway...

Hoover got booted out following a depression from the fruitful days of Coolidge..

Hoover owned the Economy he got...The depression wasn't his fault....But he got landslided off FDR..

Same thing happened to the talented Grover Cleveland in the 1890s..

Voters live in the here and now....Inconvenient truth.


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Post by SecretFly on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 3:43 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Amazing what happens when your predecessor brings the economy that the Republicans ruined back from the brink, then turned it into a flourishing machine, eh?

Autumn 2016:
'For those folks that lost their job right now because a plant went down to Mexico ...that isn't going to make you feel better. So what we have to do is make sure folks are trained for the jobs that are coming in now, because some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back. When somebody says, like the person you just mentioned....[Trump] that he's going to bring all these jobs back. Well how exactly are you going to do that? What are you going to do? There's.... there's no answer to it. He just says, "I'm going to negotiate a better deal." Well, how exactly are you going to negotiate? What magic wand do you have? And usually the answer is.... he doesn't have an answer.'

He did have an answer Mr Obama - he negotiated better deals. It ain't rocket science, 'folks'
And he always had the answer - steel balls. Toxic masculinity.

So maybe you should write a letter to Obama and tell him how good he was at the economy because on that date he thought it needed a magic wand. Nice leadership qualities. "Don't blame me, blame the 'folks' that want to move their businesses to Mexico, China and Europe."

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Post by lostinwales on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 4:03 pm

SF, pray tell, where did the orange no.2 actually manage to negotiate a better deal.

Also might help to point out if he is responsible for anything that won't screw his country in the years ahead?


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Post by Cardiff Dave on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 4:05 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Amazing what happens when your predecessor brings the economy that the Republicans ruined back from the brink, then turned it into a flourishing machine, eh?

Autumn 2016:
'For those folks that lost their job right now because a plant went down to Mexico ...that isn't going to make you feel better.  So what we have to do is make sure folks are trained for the jobs that are coming in now, because some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back.  When somebody says, like the person you just mentioned....[Trump] that he's going to bring all these jobs back.  Well how exactly are you going to do that?  What are you going to do?  There's.... there's no answer to it.  He just says, "I'm going to negotiate a better deal."  Well, how exactly are you going to negotiate?  What magic wand do you have?  And usually the answer is.... he doesn't have an answer.'

He did have an answer Mr Obama - he negotiated better deals.  It ain't rocket science, 'folks'
And he always had the answer - steel balls.  Toxic masculinity.

So maybe you should write a letter to Obama and tell him how good he was at the economy because on that date he thought it needed a magic wand.  Nice leadership qualities. "Don't blame me, blame the 'folks' that want to move their businesses to Mexico, China and Europe."

I say, I say, I say.
What's the difference between a US Strat and a Mexican Strat?
I don't know, what is the difference between a US Strat and a Mexican Strat?
About 80 miles.
Boom, boom.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 4:16 pm

lostinwales wrote:SF, pray tell, where did the orange no.2 actually manage to negotiate a better deal.

Also might help to point out if he is responsible for anything that won't screw his country in the years ahead?


Oh, so here we go...the improved economy of today might be responsible for screwing up America in 'years ahead'.

Mr Trump can't no ways hardly ever win, can he?

Well, here's a nice one back. That must be the reason why the Democrats want him impeached?
They're afraid a good economy might kill off the unworking black/hispanic ghetto people they run to for votes but never seem to be able to help out of poverty when in power. The Democratic party's voting base need to be unemployed/unemployable to get them into office. Obama was right all along. Trump's going to ruin a perfect Democratic Party economy! Wink Impeach the basterde!


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Post by Cardiff Dave on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 4:18 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:President owns his Economy..

Trump's is a good one...At the moment anyway...

Hoover got booted out following a depression from the fruitful days of Coolidge..

Hoover owned the Economy he got...The depression wasn't his fault....But he got landslided off FDR..

Same thing happened to the talented Grover Cleveland in the 1890s..

Voters live in the here and now....Inconvenient truth.


Aye, coz he's minted.

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Post by lostinwales on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 4:21 pm

SecretFly wrote:
lostinwales wrote:SF, pray tell, where did the orange no.2 actually manage to negotiate a better deal.

Also might help to point out if he is responsible for anything that won't screw his country in the years ahead?


Oh, so here we go...the improved economy of today might be responsible for screwing up America in 'years ahead'.

Mr Trump can't no ways hardly ever win, can he?  

Well, here's a nice one back.  That must be the reason why the Democrats want him impeached?  
They're afraid a good economy might kill off the unworking black/hispanic ghetto people they run to for votes but never seem to be able to help out of poverty when in power.  The Democratic party's voting base need to be unemployed/unemployable to get them into office.  Obama was right all along.  Trump's going to ruin a perfect Democratic Party economy! Wink  Impeach the basterde!  


The impeachment will take care of itself - eventually. But What I am saying is that you are making grand statements about Trump and the economy but you are not backing it up with any facts so far. In fact without proof what you have said is along the same lines as Trump saying he's a billionaire.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 4:35 pm

The impeachment will take care of itself for the reasons it will be taken care of... it'll fail though.

But the surge for impeachment is the same as it ever was - Trump's goal is kill off the processes and overt political tools used to attack indigenous jobs in America and ship load them out to other areas of the world

... an angry, unsettled, unsatisfied population is always going to run to the party that says it wants to give out free money and assistance to the needy.  Dems invent their own voters.

Another reason for the impeachment cries is corruption upon corruption (Dems and Republicans) in Washington DC.  Trump said he'd attack it at source... he's an outsider... they can't influence him.... they're afraid of him.... impeach him!

The economy.  I'm not making grand statements - the figures are; you know - the ones that Obama has changed his tune on and now tells people to remember who the real guy was behind the wheel.  Well nope, Obama, it wasn't you.  You were waiting for the magic wand.

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Post by JuliusHMarx on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 4:43 pm

Maybe Trump shouldn't have hired so many criminals.

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Post by lostinwales on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 5:22 pm

I do think there is a good chance that Trump will get through his term in office. However at the current rate it looks as if everyone around him during his election campaign will be in jail by that time.

The proverbial will really hit the fan when one or more of the kids gets arrested.

As for the economy I am keen to see the evidence that he has been good for it. Fly, you have not provided any so far.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 30 Jan 2019, 8:27 pm

Impeachment is a slow drawn out process....You also need 2/3 of the Senate to get rid....The GOP control it..

Later this year the Presidential circus kicks off and unless there is a smoking gun I imagine GOP Senate candidates in 2020 won't want to upset his base...He attracts a different kind of Republican and they don't want them staying home..

As for Trump being responsible for the healthy Economic figures...Doesn't need to be...

You own what happens on your watch....Like Brown and the Banking crisis.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 1:39 pm

FiveThirtyEight head to poll...

Biden... ..53....Trump 40
Sanders 52....Trump 41
Harris......47....Trump 42
Warren....46....Trump 43

Trump is having a hard time and yet Warren is in range for him...

With the incumbent generally getting a little bounce in WH races...The final two are cause for concern..

Good news for Biden.....

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 9:23 pm

CNN Poll....

62 % of Democrats want Biden to run....28% Don't...

Harris is favourite for the nomination but Biden could be the best answer to take on Trump...

Age may play against him though.....Tough gig the long toil of the primary season..

Not sure he runs..

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Post by Pr4wn on Sat 09 Feb 2019, 12:49 am

Jeff Bezos: "Alexa, send nudes to my secret admirer"

Alexa: "Got it. Sending nudes to National Enquirer"

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 9:41 am

Bernie has raised three times as much as any of his Democratic rivals online so far...

Whatever people think of those on the left....On Social Media they really are ahead of the game..

Figure that Sanders age will be a huge problem....Shame there Isn't a natural successor for his brand of Socialism..


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Post by Pr4wn on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 10:07 am

The only one that comes close to his brand is Warren, who I actually quite like.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 10:12 pm

Looks like Biden is running....Not sure he really wants to..

His Son past away a little time ago and his Son told him he wanted him to try for the Presidency before he died..

May feel he'd be letting him down if he doesn't run....Be hard for any Dad to not do it.

Going to be hard work for a Man of his years...But good luck to him..

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Post by Samo on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 10:33 pm

Trump essentially admitting that he doesnt need to invoke a state of emergency, but he’s doing it anyway.

Surely thats an abuse of power?

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Post by Pie on Sat 16 Feb 2019, 4:26 am

Waste of time Biden running. Dems need a heavyweight....possibly Kerry has a scoobie.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 16 Feb 2019, 8:16 am

While Kamala Harris has most endorsements and remains favourite...Biden and Sanders lead the early polls..

Name recognition is helping for sure.....But 'better the Devil' you know plays well in Elections...Why Presidents are hard to shift after one term..

Although this one is doing his best to prove that theory wrong.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 17 Feb 2019, 10:22 pm

Trump has seen a ratings boost.. With his latest posturing...

Rasmussen has him 51%....Yougov 43%....

Either way he is out of the 30s....Expect Rasmussen is an outlier as no President since ratings began has lost with a rating over 50% and low 40s is his mean...

Like I said with a good Economy...Democrats should choose wisely..

Reckon only a 1/4 of Presidents have failed to be re-elected if you leave out the ones that died....

4 assassinations.....Plus Warren (Thickest President in history)Harding and Zachary (Don't eat the strawberries)Taylor who bought the farm too..

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 17 Feb 2019, 11:05 pm

It's quite simple: if Trump runs for the Presidency in 2020, he wins. The Democrats don't have a single candidate who can match him (or even get close).

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