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Post by AdamT on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 12:41 pm

Now that the sideshow is out of the way, we have a serious fight just around the corner.

I have been watching both guys in their workouts and they are looking insane!

I said I find it hard to pick a winner. I still do, but I am leaning to GGG. Canelo is looking like a beast, but he might be too fired up. GGG just looks much more at ease, at least when he is being interviewed. No matter what I have said about Gennady, he is a very hard fighter to beat and he is obviously very focused for the biggest fight of his career.

Both guys are brilliant boxers and both guys have serious power. I just think GGG's experience and aura at 160 will give him a slight edge. Canelo is very tough, but I expect GGG to come from behind on the scorecards and stop a tiring Canelo very late.

Can't wait for this now and no doubt by the time this fight comes round, I could be leaning to Canelo. It's a great fight!

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Post by CallMeBenji on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 1:46 pm

By far the most anticipated fight of the year for me. It's been a great year for boxing and this combined with Loma v Rigo in December will cap it off very well.

I've always had a slight dislike for Canelo based on his dropping of the WBC belt and some questionable decisions he's received (Trout and Lara). I even had Cotto beating him but I can understand how it could be seen the other way. On this basis I very much want GGG to win.

You're right though Adam, I've never seen Canelo look so sharp and in such good condition.

Looking at it without any rose tints, I am in agreement with your assessment. I think that the size disadvantage (not just from a height perspective but overall) is something that Canelo hasn't had to properly overcome (I don't count Chavez as he was a walking skeleton). Also GGG is going to be the one coming forward and pressing the pace and I think he is able to do that more consistently over 12 rounds. Canelo likes to fight in spots and too many fighters have had too much respect and allowed him to do that. GGG won't. GGG could arguably use his size and reach advantage and try to box long but that would play more into Canelo's hands if the rounds are difficult to split as Canelo's sharp counters could catch the judges eyes more.

If GGG doesn't manage to stop him late then I think that Canelo won't be far off being stopped at the final bell and will have lost the last few rounds (possibly with a late knockdown). If it goes to points then I expect Canelo to get the decision irrespective of what happens as he tends to consistently get the rub of the green if it's tight.

Fantastic match up, can't wait for it.

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Post by AdamT on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 2:09 pm

CallMeBenji wrote:By far the most anticipated fight of the year for me. It's been a great year for boxing and this combined with Loma v Rigo in December will cap it off very well.

I've always had a slight dislike for Canelo based on his dropping of the WBC belt and some questionable decisions he's received (Trout and Lara). I even had Cotto beating him but I can understand how it could be seen the other way. On this basis I very much want GGG to win.

You're right though Adam, I've never seen Canelo look so sharp and in such good condition.

Looking at it without any rose tints, I am in agreement with your assessment. I think that the size disadvantage (not just from a height perspective but overall) is something that Canelo hasn't had to properly overcome (I don't count Chavez as he was a walking skeleton). Also GGG is going to be the one coming forward and pressing the pace and I think he is able to do that more consistently over 12 rounds. Canelo likes to fight in spots and too many fighters have had too much respect and allowed him to do that. GGG won't. GGG could arguably use his size and reach advantage and try to box long but that would play more into Canelo's hands if the rounds are difficult to split as Canelo's sharp counters could catch the judges eyes more.

If GGG doesn't manage to stop him late then I think that Canelo won't be far off being stopped at the final bell and will have lost the last few rounds (possibly with a late knockdown). If it goes to points then I expect Canelo to get the decision irrespective of what happens as he tends to consistently get the rub of the green if it's tight.

Fantastic match up, can't wait for it.

Your assessment is exactly how I see this fight. GGG is looking great too and you can just tell he Is so focused. I think he under performed vs Jacobs and he will be back on song for this fight.

GGG isn't getting any younger, but he is looking in phenomenal shape. This is the biggest fight of the year and I hope it lives up to the hype. I think it will.

I think it's important that Canelo gets off to a good start and maybe even try to back GGG up early. He doesn't want GGG to make him fight for 3 minutes every round.

I think Canelo will box well and win early rounds. But GGG will be like a man possessed. All his frustrations from not getting the fight sooner, or other big fights, will be put on Canelo.

Great fight!

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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by DuransHorse on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 7:17 pm

I can't see either getting knocked out, despite both being big hitters. Both seem durable and there's a lot at stake so I can imagine a slow start while they suss each other out a bit. I'm starting to lean towards Canelo on points.

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Post by AdamT on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 7:35 pm

Canelo points is a good bet. I just think GGG will work Canelo hard. Canelo looks like a tank!

I am honestly getting into the hype now and thankfully it's just around the corner.

No matter what happens, it will definitely be competitive.

Despite the trolling I've done on GGG, I like watching both guys.


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Post by kingraf on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 8:34 pm

I'm liking Canelo for this. Love them both.
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Post by 3fingers on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 8:40 pm

GGG will dictate the distance with the Jab.

Jabbing his way to points victory, winning 7 to 8 rounds.

He'll mainly throw 1 or 2 shots at a time, thus reduce Canelos opportunity to counter.

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Post by AdamT on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 8:49 pm

Canelo will definitely try and counter. I see Canelo letting his hands go at the end of the rounds to catch judges eyes and steal rounds.

Of course that's risky, if GGG blasts counters.

I think GGG will work the body behind a solid jab. Perhaps he will land solid jabs and one two's to the body. Canelo looks like he's carrying a lot of muscle.

It will start of tactical, but I expect some fireworks by the middle rounds.

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Post by AdamT on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 8:51 pm

3fingers, he will probably need to win 8 rounds to get a decision.

Got a feeling GGG will need the stoppage and will look for it.

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Post by 3fingers on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 10:33 pm

Good point. Lets hope this isn't ruined by corruption.

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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by 3fingers on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 10:35 pm

Honestly don't think GGG will work the body that much for risk of being caught with uppercuts and hooks to the head. Maybe hell throw straights to the body at distance.

Can't see him hooking to the body on the inside. Canelo is fast enough (and accurate enough) to get two shots off for Golovkins one. It's a sure fire way to a points defeat (unless Canelo shuts up shop when his body is assaulted).


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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by DuransHorse on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 11:35 pm

I really laid into Canelo after the Mayweather fight but I think he's learnt a lot from it. I think he's deceptively fast, despite that slow rocking side to side technique he has which is almost hypnotically slow and gives the impression he's plodding. He's got a wide array of punches, a great chin and technique along with a lot of experience fighting better opposition. A year or two ago I would have said GGG but I've got a feeling Canelo is going to take this one but a rematch might be needed.

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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by milkyboy on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 8:39 am

3fingers wrote:GGG will dictate the distance with the Jab.

Jabbing his way to points victory, winning 7 to 8 rounds.

He'll mainly throw 1 or 2 shots at a time, thus reduce Canelos opportunity to counter.

This. When he fights boxers like brook he walks them down, if he respects an opponents power like Lemieux he softens them up behind the jab and doesn't take liberties. It's about making your advantages count. He has a better jab than canelo and reach advantage and canelo is at his best countering guys who come at him. So it's less risky to impose his clear advantages rather than go seek and destroy and even it up.

GGG points or late stoppage for me, but canelo good enough to make it competitive. And if it is close?... well Alvarez hadn't lost any close ones on the cards.

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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by AdamT on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 8:55 am

Milky it's guaranteed that Canelo will win any close decision.

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Post by DuransHorse on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 9:09 am

AdamT wrote:Milky it's guaranteed that Canelo will win any close decision.

That's why I have changed my tune and will bet. Canelo points.

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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by AdamT on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 10:33 am

I fancy the stoppage for GGG.

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Post by DuransHorse on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 11:11 am

AdamT wrote:I fancy the stoppage for GGG.
Just a question but has Canelo ever looked in trouble during a fight? I can't recall a moment. It's the only reason I think it may go to the cards. Canelo hits hard but he's the smaller man and GGG is also tough.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:06 pm

Not really but I remember Floyd backing him up at one stage. Granted he is much bigger/better now. But GGG is a different animal.

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Post by DuransHorse on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:08 pm

AdamT wrote:Not really but I remember Floyd backing him up at one stage. Granted he is much bigger/better now. But GGG is a different animal.

Floyd did but that was just Floyd landng his punches cleanly and acccurately, as he always did, getting respect but never troubling him, IMO.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:13 pm

I agree Duran. I have never seen GGG like this before. This is probably the first time GGG has gone into any fight, with a little bit of fear. He knows he is going up against a very solid fighter in Canelo.

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Post by DuransHorse on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:47 pm

I agree and this is the kind of fight GGG has been waitiing for. It's a hard one to call and whilst I think GGG is the favourite I think I'm going for Canelo on the cards and a rematch is called for. I'm thinking a bit of a robbery feel to it but not outrageously so.

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Post by CallMeBenji on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:54 pm

DuransHorse wrote:
AdamT wrote:I fancy the stoppage for GGG.
 Just a question but has Canelo ever looked in trouble during a fight?  I can't recall a moment.  It's the only reason I think it may go to the cards.  Canelo hits hard but he's the smaller man and GGG is also tough.

The only thing I can remember is when Cotto's brother rocked him quite a bit but that was so many years ago I don't think it really has any relevance.

Reading this thread makes me keep swaying one way and then the other with my prediction, but I'm sticking with my gut - GGG by late stoppage

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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by Mr Bounce on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 1:01 pm

Golovkin *should* win this but if it goes to the scorecards for anything other than a shutout it'll be a Canelo win. I genuinely think that this fight will be so skewed Alvarez' way that GGG will have to stop him.

He has the skills and power, plus all the frustration from being d!cked about by the ginger one. I think he'll cut Canelo and stop him in 10.

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Post by 3fingers on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 6:21 pm

The more I think about the robbery the more I think it can happen...

Coming immediately after Mayweather/Mcgreggor this fight won't make as much money as it could have.

Goldenboy might have allowed the loss, if it was the mega money fight it should have been.

If they are'nt going to make as much money as they hoped in this one fight, I doubt they'll harm their cash cows future earning potential with a loss.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 7:54 pm

If Mayweather v McGregor hadn't of happened, this would of done huge business. It will still sell well, but not as much.

If it's in anyway close expect a canelo win, or maybe a draw.

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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by BoxingFan88 on Fri 01 Sep 2017, 8:23 am

GGG needs a knockout, that's a fact, he won't get given a decision

I won't be crying if he loses a controversial decision, he knows what time it is

But in my opinion this fight GGG will show how good he is and Canelo will not be able to handle it

I got GGG by KO in the middle rounds

In my opinion the only attributes Canelo has over GGG is:

Handspeed - But timing beats speed, GGG has excellent timing
Age - GGG doesn't look any bit his age right now

I think GGG will put Canelo under relentless and calculated pressure and Canelo with his inactivity will not be able to handle it, I also believe Canelo has under performed recently, but I just see a skill gap in this fight

I really don't see on paper how Canelo wins, but that's just my opinion

I think GGG is a lot better than he has shown before, he wins most fights in second gear

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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by BoxingFan88 on Fri 01 Sep 2017, 8:24 am

DuransHorse wrote:
AdamT wrote:I fancy the stoppage for GGG.
 Just a question but has Canelo ever looked in trouble during a fight?  I can't recall a moment.  It's the only reason I think it may go to the cards.  Canelo hits hard but he's the smaller man and GGG is also tough.

He got rocked by Cotto's brother

And Canelo hasn't faced a middleweight puncher, or even a puncher for that matter even resembling a middleweight

Never mind one of the hardest punchers p4p

If Canelo wins he will finally have won me over (even if its a controversial decision) and I will crown him p4p #1

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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by kingraf on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 6:16 pm

Caught an interesting enough podcast by Stephen A Smith where he interviewed Dela Hoya. Some highlights

*Oscar is picking Canelo in 6-8 in a war
* Hopes MayMac created new boxing fans who will be curious to see what an actual boxing fight looks like
*The sole reason the fight took so long to make was because he felt Canelo wasn't ready to fight at that weight, and would have lost fighting GGG at 160 a year ago. He also said he thought if hed taken a few fights acclimatising to the weight he'd have done better against Hopkins.
*Canelo needs to control centre of the ring and push GGG back to win.
*Canelo is now a fully fledged middle weight and in fact struggled to get down to 160lbs for this fight.
*Oscar does worry that thenextra weight will decrease Canelo's speed come fight Night.

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Post by milkyboy on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 8:33 pm

Oscar in 'picking his man to win' shocker!

Otherwise, Some fairly honest and fair appraisals

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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by Baby faced assassin on Thu 07 Sep 2017, 2:11 pm

What a great fight and genuinely could go either way

I think I will go with my early thought that GGG just sneaks this with a late (very late) TKO

Canelo hasn't shown that he hurts easily but he also have never been under the tye of heat that GGG will bring and how hard GGG hits to the body, he should wear Canelo down

Body shots will be a big art of this as both hit to the body very well

Great fight just feel Canelo doesnt carry enough firepower. He really should've stopped chavez and apart from one of 2 combinations he never really was close to stopping cotto who he cleanly enough times
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Post by andygf on Fri 08 Sep 2017, 9:50 pm

I'm afraid I never bought in to Alvarez.Am actually surprised that so many are tipping him...but delighted that so many people expect a classic fight.I think that it could be too.Can't see any of way that GGG loses.But would be happy if he did because to beat GGG something incredible must take place
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Post by AZZJ44 on Sat 09 Sep 2017, 9:26 am

Always given Canelo a great chance in this fight as he's a good counter puncher. Even though he's not a concussive hitter, he hits hard enough and has good timing on counters. He's at least got a chance.

Saying that I expect GGG to win. Canelo likes to rest on the ropes the same as Degale and I don't think he can do that and get away with it against a non stop pressure fighter like GGG. I'd assume there'd be 2/3 rounds of feeling out then they'll get to work. I'd go for GGG stopping him in the 10th or 11th (if it's the same GGG).

I thought GGG lost the Jacobs fight i'll add but I think Canelo's size and need for rests will be his downfall. Really looking forward to this.

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Post by milkyboy on Sat 09 Sep 2017, 10:20 am

Andy, I think the Jacobs fight has opened a few eyes to the thought ggg might be beatable or slightly on the slide. Canelo is a totally different fighter to Jacobs but suspect that's what's driving the 'shift' towards canelo.

I always had this as a competitive fight as, has been said Alvarez is a counter puncher and one who looks much better when guys come to him... and a bit ponderous against slicksters.

I favour golovkin because I think he has a better jab and will use it, in the manner he did against Lemieux to soften canelo up. Think it will be a really good fight though.

As an aside they sparred a few times when canelo was an up and comer, about 20/21. Sparring is sparring but by all accounts they went at it and it was pretty competitive. Let's hope for more of the same.

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Post by Atila on Sat 09 Sep 2017, 7:23 pm

I'll be surprised if Canelo wins this fight. I remember thinking that he got caught way too much by Kirkland when they fought and when he fought Cotto, I remember thinking that someone like Tommy Hearns would have flattened him within 4 or 5 rounds.

If Canelo surprises me and wins he's still going to have to show me something special for me to rate him as highly as some others seem to do. I'm just not a believer of his.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 10 Sep 2017, 10:46 am

Golovkin has a looked a year or two off his best form and is 35 now so in terms of timing Canelo's decision to wait him out for a couple of extra years might pay off.

With Canelo, you are also getting the additonal favourabling judging bonus for your money which means as long as the fight is reasonably competitve, he should get the decision in his favour.

I can see why he has shortened considerably with bookies.

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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 11 Sep 2017, 3:40 pm

Amazing you can get 4/6 Golovkin if you fancy him(you could get Usyk 5/4 for the tournament before his Huck win) would have been 4 or 5-1 on this time last year is it because of the Jacobs fight Canelo fights a totally different style doesn't he it's going to be a tingling atmosphere Golovkin on the wane or about to deliver one of his most devastating performances?

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Post by Seanusarrilius on Mon 11 Sep 2017, 4:20 pm

Cannot wait for this!

Intriguing fight, great timing in their careers to make it a pick 'em. Personally - going with GGG by 11th round TKO. I think it will benefit him to have had such a tough go with Jacobs, refocus him and let him know he isn't invincible. I think he will be hitting harder and with more spite because of it. I also think Canelo is the fight he has long wanted, and will focus like a laser for.

Canelo has improved in recent years. But fights against Khan and Chavez do nothing for him in terms of prep for GGG, and may harm him, Chavez especially, as he is not even world level these days. Also, Canelo is a small Middle, and has never beaten a top opponent really convincingly, IMO. He will hit GGG, but he will also be hot by the hardest Middle puncher since . . . well, I do not know who.

Going with GGG in later wear-down TKO. In an entertaining fight!

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 11:38 am

This is going to be a great fight for however long it lasts

Don't care who wins, boxing wins either way

I'm going with GGG to shock everyone and really put on a show, he needs a KO and he is going to get it

This one is worth staying up for, its what boxing is all about!

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Post by Marlonz on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 12:41 pm

BoxingFan88 wrote:This is going to be a great fight for however long it lasts

Don't care who wins, boxing wins either way

I'm going with GGG to shock everyone and really put on a show, he needs a KO and he is going to get it

This one is worth staying up for, its what boxing is all about!

I'm going with Golovkin too. Though I'm a little concerned with the politics/corruption side of things - Even if GGG outboxes Canelo, which I could definitely envisage - it probably won't be reflected by the judges scorecards. He needs to set up the KO and get it.

And a lot of people who are backing Canelo are only doing that because he lost to Floyd. So they are hoping he wins more than anything, just to bolster Floyd's legacy and hand him the moral victory over Golovkin.

My hunch is that assuming GGG wins, it sets up the real 50th fight for Floyd. Probably will be the highest grossing PPV ever.

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Re: GGG vs Canelo

Post by Herman Jaeger on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 3:26 pm

If Golovkin looks impressive then I don't think even 500 million would get Floyd in the ring with him. Floyd only takes fights he knows he can win

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Post by Scottrf on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 3:26 pm

Herman Jaeger wrote:If Golovkin looks impressive then I don't think even 500 million would get Floyd in the ring with him. Floyd only takes fights he knows he can win

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 3:31 pm

Truth hurt?

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Post by Scottrf on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 3:44 pm

Herman Jaeger wrote:Truth hurt?

I'm not Floyd Mayweather so no. You're just boring.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 4:28 pm

It's true though, Floyd's been one of the most calculating matchmakers in the last thirty years or more so good riddance to him

I could be wrong but I can't see him take the Golovkin fight unless Golovkin shows serious signs of deterioration against Canelo, that is of course if he wins

Also would the fight have to be at 154?

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Post by LionsV2 on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 4:36 pm

It's not even a realistic fight so what's the point debating it; Golovkin is a Middleweight.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 4:42 pm

Because Floyd has been calling it easy work for the last few years and continues to do so

Either put up or belt up

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Post by LionsV2 on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 4:44 pm

You're the only one that seems to care.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 4:49 pm

I prefer to see him fight Thurman actually he's clearly got Thurman problems

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Post by LionsV2 on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm

Oh definitely, Thurman makes him crap himself.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Wed 13 Sep 2017, 4:58 pm

I wouldn't go that far but there's obviously something about Thurman he doesn't like

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