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Post by LordDowlais on Fri 08 Sep 2017, 8:37 pm

First topic message reminder :

This is a farce, I know I will get ripped apart for this, but it is becoming a joke, what I have just seen in this first half between Leinster and Cardiff is a joke. How is Isa Nacewa still on the field, then going down like he has just been shot to milk a pen on half time. FFS

Also, do not get me started with the scrum, the young Cardiff boy Kieron Assirati is doing a number on Cain Healy yet the ref is letting Cain Healy get away with murder.

2017, Pro14, nothing changes. Rolling Eyes

Anyway, onto the second half. picard

Oh, just to edit, I forgot to mention Kearnys shoulder tackle when Cardiff were breaking through that was left unpunished by both Brace and Fitzgibbon. Whate a joke. picard

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Post by Pot Hale on Tue 19 Sep 2017, 9:05 pm

Ok. Just a funny coincidence then. My family tree is researched back to the following entry:
Rhys (Prince of Wales The Lord Rhys Yr Arglwydd Rhys Prince of Deheubarth) ap Gruffydd, Direct ancestor, 1132, Dynevor Castle, Llandilio, Carmarthenshire, Wales - Apr 28 1197, St Davids, Pebidiog, Pembrokeshire, Wales.

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Post by Griff on Tue 19 Sep 2017, 9:27 pm

Wow! That is a bit of a coincidence. Spooky.

You should visit the castle. Just googled it. Dinefwr Castle. Your relative is mentioned on the wiki entry:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinefwr_Castle

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Post by RiscaGame on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 8:14 am

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Yeah, on the artificial surface.


picard

Hence the problems Whistle

Don't mention the ponty pitch problems. Just ask Ponty legend Lee Jarvis.

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Post by gcBlues on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 1:02 pm

Can't believe this got so many posts. This dullard reels you all in time after time.

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 1:09 pm

At least this "dallard" actually gets people debating on here, when I am not around this place is like a morgue.

Remind me gcBlues, when was the last time you put a topic worth debating up on this forum ?

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Post by gcBlues on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 1:37 pm

You're 40 and bragging about creating threads on a forum? We need to get you a sticker. Good job buddy Smile

"dallard" indeed. lol

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 1:56 pm

Nope not bragging about anything. How old are you ?

This place is a friggin storm.

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Post by BamBam on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 2:03 pm

You mostly just get everyone pointing out how much of a muppet you are LD, I wouldn't shout too loudly about your prowess in that area

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 2:13 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Nope not bragging about anything. How old are you ?

This place is a friggin storm.

Really?

At least this "dallard" actually gets people debating on here

Headscratch

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Post by gcBlues on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 2:57 pm

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Nope not bragging about anything. How old are you ?

This place is a friggin storm.

Really?

At least this "dallard" actually gets people debating on here

Headscratch

indeed.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 3:01 pm

When LD is around you're guaranteed to be involved in a 'good debate' Wink.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 3:02 pm

Is he trying to make out he's a master debator?

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 4:14 pm

You've gotta love this place and all it's self righteous members, FFS.

You all think you can come on here a "tell people how it is" yet when you are stood up to you all come out like school yard bullies, and all circle around like a wolf pack attacking the one.

You all know who you are, just because I post things on here you do not like does not give any of you the moral high ground to post your insults on here.

Funny thing is though, it's always the same members who behave like this. People are forgetting that this is an opinion based forum, without peoples opinions on here this forum would not be in existence.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 4:30 pm

LordDowlais wrote:You've gotta love this place and all it's self righteous members, FFS.

*its

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Post by BamBam on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 4:36 pm

LordBluster wrote:without peoples opinions on here

*people's

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 4:39 pm

Should someone also point out that you can tell people how it is which is factual and be an opinion based forum?

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Post by Pot Hale on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 7:08 pm

Was just wondering if Tadgh Beirne is now a Welsh player because he's employed by a Welsh region?

Or is Bernard Jackman now a Welsh coach because he's employed by the WRU?

Is PJ Doyle an English ref because he's employed by English RFU?
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Post by Pot Hale on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 7:17 pm

Ulster Rugby v Dragons – KO 7.35pm

Referee: Dan Jones (WRU, 10th competition game)
AR1: Ian Davies (WRU). AR2: Adam Jones (WRU)
TMO: John Mason (WRU).
BBC NI: 7.30pm

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Post by Pete330v2 on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 7:29 pm

Pot Hale wrote:Ulster Rugby v Dragons – KO 7.35pm

Referee: Dan Jones (WRU, 10th competition game)
AR1: Ian Davies (WRU). AR2: Adam Jones (WRU)
TMO: John Mason (WRU).
BBC NI: 7.30pm


Disgusting, it's a fix, Ulster surely cannot overcome this.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 9:51 pm

LordDowlais wrote:You've gotta love this place and all it's self righteous members, FFS.

You all think you can come on here a "tell people how it is" yet when you are stood up to you all come out like school yard bullies, and all circle around like a wolf pack attacking the one.

You all know who you are, just because I post things on here you do not like does not give any of you the moral high ground to post your insults on here.

Funny thing is though, it's always the same members who behave like this. People are forgetting that this is an opinion based forum, without peoples opinions on here this forum would not be in existence.  

This forum is structured so that you just can't win, LD.

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Post by Griff on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 10:55 pm

Pete330v2 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:Ulster Rugby v Dragons – KO 7.35pm

Referee: Dan Jones (WRU, 10th competition game)
AR1: Ian Davies (WRU). AR2: Adam Jones (WRU)
TMO: John Mason (WRU).
BBC NI: 7.30pm


Disgusting, it's a fix, Ulster surely cannot overcome this.

Especially as the assistant ref is Adam Jones, the rather rotund ex-prop, who won't be able to keep up with play, so will just make up the decisions (in favour of the Dragons)!

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Post by Cyril on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 12:31 am

Regardless of who you support isnt this just weird having so many refs with vested interests? Especially with the Italian and SA sides being so poor and having little representation? Do Scotland even have any top-level refs?

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Post by Pot Hale on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 2:18 am

Cyril wrote:Regardless of who you support isnt this just weird having so many refs with vested interests? Especially with the Italian and SA sides being so poor and having little representation? Do Scotland even have any top-level refs?

You can read all about the refs panel on the PRO14 website, Cyril.

I thought Cheetahs v Zebre was one of the most entertaining games last weekend in front of a fairly decent crowd in Bloemfontein.
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Post by LordDowlais on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 8:11 am

Pot Hale wrote:Was just wondering if Tadgh Beirne is now a Welsh player because he's employed by a Welsh region?

Or is Bernard Jackman now a Welsh coach because he's employed by the WRU?

Is PJ Doyle an English ref because he's employed by English RFU?

He's off to Munster next season. Crying or Very sad

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Post by Cardiff Dave on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 9:35 am

Pete330v2 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:Ulster Rugby v Dragons – KO 7.35pm

Referee: Dan Jones (WRU, 10th competition game)
AR1: Ian Davies (WRU). AR2: Adam Jones (WRU)
TMO: John Mason (WRU).
BBC NI: 7.30pm


Disgusting, it's a fix, Ulster surely cannot overcome this.

Maybe "it's a fix" to ensure Ulster win.

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Post by Cardiff Dave on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 9:40 am

gcBlues wrote:Can't believe this got so many posts.

Me too. It's only the league.

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 9:41 am

Cardiff Dave wrote:
Pete330v2 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:Ulster Rugby v Dragons – KO 7.35pm

Referee: Dan Jones (WRU, 10th competition game)
AR1: Ian Davies (WRU). AR2: Adam Jones (WRU)
TMO: John Mason (WRU).
BBC NI: 7.30pm


Disgusting, it's a fix, Ulster surely cannot overcome this.

Maybe "it's a fix" to ensure Ulster win.

Its only when players and refs are paid by the same union theres a fix, since the Dragons and refs are employed by the WRU its obvious the fix is in for the Dragons. Jeez, keep up Dave


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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 10:14 am

Pete330v2 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:Ulster Rugby v Dragons – KO 7.35pm

Referee: Dan Jones (WRU, 10th competition game)
AR1: Ian Davies (WRU). AR2: Adam Jones (WRU)
TMO: John Mason (WRU).
BBC NI: 7.30pm


Disgusting, it's a fix, Ulster surely cannot overcome this.

Dan Jones looks like a girl I went to primary school with. Just saying.

He was also the referee of the Edinburgh - Dragons game last season when we blew a 20 - 3 lead with 10 minutes to play, so naturally I don't like him.

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Post by Cardiff Dave on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 10:52 am

marty2086 wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
Pete330v2 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:Ulster Rugby v Dragons – KO 7.35pm

Referee: Dan Jones (WRU, 10th competition game)
AR1: Ian Davies (WRU). AR2: Adam Jones (WRU)
TMO: John Mason (WRU).
BBC NI: 7.30pm


Disgusting, it's a fix, Ulster surely cannot overcome this.

Maybe "it's a fix" to ensure Ulster win.

Its only when players and refs are paid by the same union theres a fix, since the Dragons and refs are employed by the WRU its obvious the fix is in for the Dragons. Jeez, keep up Dave


Ordinarily, i'd agree with you, but.... said too much already. See what happens in the coming years, I guess.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 11:13 am

Pot Hale wrote:Ulster Rugby v Dragons – KO 7.35pm

Referee: Dan Jones (WRU, 10th competition game)
AR1: Ian Davies (WRU). AR2: Adam Jones (WRU)
TMO: John Mason (WRU).
BBC NI: 7.30pm


That really is inexcusable from the league. Why can they not put Mike Adamson in charge? He's refereeing the Cheetahs v Leinster game, If they swapped the referees then it would have meant both referees are neutral. Even though the assistants and TMOs might not be.

It really is a mess.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 11:14 am

marty2086 wrote:

Its only when players and refs are paid by the same union theres a fix, since the Dragons and refs are employed by the WRU its obvious the fix is in for the Dragons. Jeez, keep up Dave


It wouldn't happen in a competent league / sport. Just because you deny and defend it, that doesn't change.

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Post by LordDowlais on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 11:17 am

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:Ulster Rugby v Dragons – KO 7.35pm

Referee: Dan Jones (WRU, 10th competition game)
AR1: Ian Davies (WRU). AR2: Adam Jones (WRU)
TMO: John Mason (WRU).
BBC NI: 7.30pm


That really is inexcusable from the league. Why can they not put Mike Adamson in charge? He's refereeing the Cheetahs v Leinster game, If they swapped the referees then it would have meant both referees are neutral. Even though the assistants and TMOs might not be.

It really is a mess.

100% whole heartedly agree.

Well said that man. clap clap

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 11:19 am

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:Ulster Rugby v Dragons – KO 7.35pm

Referee: Dan Jones (WRU, 10th competition game)
AR1: Ian Davies (WRU). AR2: Adam Jones (WRU)
TMO: John Mason (WRU).
BBC NI: 7.30pm


That really is inexcusable from the league. Why can they not put Mike Adamson in charge? He's refereeing the Cheetahs v Leinster game, If they swapped the referees then it would have meant both referees are neutral. Even though the assistants and TMOs might not be.

It really is a mess.

Not really, maybe Dan Jones isn't available to make the trip to SA

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Post by Pete330v2 on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 11:19 am

In all seriousness, I don't care if it's a Welsh ref when we're playing a Welsh team. I do care when it's a gutless and incompetent ref like Dan Jones.

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Post by Griff on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 2:06 pm

Pete330v2 wrote:In all seriousness, I don't care if it's a Welsh ref when we're playing a Welsh team. I do care when it's a gutless and incompetent ref like Dan Jones.


Now 'The Irish' are at it too! Look what you did, LD!

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 4:14 pm

Oh well, taken from WOL:-

Richard Cockerill makes official complaint about the way Edinburgh's defeat to Scarlets was refereed.

The former England hooker was enraged after the final whistle, saying his team were treated unfairly.

Richard Cockerill is making an official complaint about the way the Scarlets 28-8 win against his Edinburgh side last Saturday was refereed.

The former England hooker registered his anger in the aftermath of the defeat , saying experienced referee John Lacey had officiated on the basis of a pre-conceived expectation that the champions would win.

Now Cockerill is contacting PRO14 chiefs as he takes the matter further – he is due to telephone PRO14 elite referee Greg Garner.

“I’ll be speaking to Greg Garner this afternoon. I don’t want any favours. I just want to be refereed the same,” Cockerill told the Scottish Daily Mail.

“Why wouldn’t you go to the TMO in that situation around that potential crossing? If our captain, in Magnus Bradbury, goes and asks the referee to have a look at it, and he’s just dismissive of it, and then it turns out we’re to be correct, that’s a little bit disrespectful to our captain at the very least.”

Cockerill conceded that winning a few games in a row and the refs respect for Edinburgh players might change but felt they weren’t in that position just yet.

“Yeah, well, that’s fine and we’ll get there but surely it makes sense that we get refereed the same as the opponents?,” he said. “Look, I’m the Edinburgh coach, I’m only interested in what Edinburgh do, I felt certainly at the weekend we were refereed slightly differently, and I’ve got some examples to send to Greg.”

“For example we had to fight a lot harder at the breakdown to get any benefit from competing for the ball than they did. And just things like the crossing scenario when our players talk to the referee and the captain gets pushed away. But he’s happy to discuss the TMO referral with their players around Micky Rizzo when he was sent off.

“Now the upshot of Micky Rizzo is correct: it is what it is, the law is the law. But the relationship with our players and with the opposition players was very different with Johnny Lacey, which I don’t expect to be the case. Our players weren’t allowed to speak to him around TMO referrals, but their players were.”

And here is the link:-

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/richard-cockerill-makes-official-complaint-13676015


We are all at it. Very Happy

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 4:23 pm

We being you and an angry troll?

Happens every game but sore losers ignore these things, seems the two of you have a lot in common

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Post by Pete330v2 on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 5:06 pm

"saying experienced referee John Lacey had officiated on the basis of a pre-conceived expectation that the champions would win."

I think that's the most ridiculous allegation from a 'professional' coach I've ever heard, Cockerill has never looked more foolish.

"We are all at it."

Come on LD, do you really want to jump on Cockerill's one man bandwagon? Are you really as bitter and deluded as he is? No hold on, you don't need to answer that.

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 5:53 pm

Laugh

You've gotta love some of our Irish members on here. As soon as somebody says anything about a ref that does not fall into their thought process, then they are all insults and bitching.

Anyway, what are your thoughts on Wayne Barnes these days ?

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Post by Pete330v2 on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 6:07 pm

This has nothing to do with my thought process but everything to do with a coach not just openly criticizing a professional referee but accusing him of bias. This has been dealt with severely in the past and should certainly be in this case. There's absolutely no reason to believe that Lacey had any preconceptions or bias towards the match. If Edinburgh had won, despite Cockerill's views on Lacey, do you think any complaint would have been made? No, it's sour grapes by a terrible loser. Losing by 20 points is never down to the refereeing, that's more likely down to poor coaching.

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Post by eirebilly on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 6:17 pm

Think it is in poor form (if true) for Cockerill to make such comments. Should approach these things through the correct channels than through the media.

That said, I can understand his frustration as I believe Lacey to be one of the poorest referee's around. He is impossible for teams to prepare and adjust to as what he may have been strict on a week before he is lax on the following week. He is consistently inconsistent in my opinion.
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Post by Pete330v2 on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 8:11 pm

eirebilly wrote:Think it is in poor form (if true) for Cockerill to make such comments. Should approach these things through the correct channels than through the media.

That said, I can understand his frustration as I believe Lacey to be one of the poorest referee's around. He is impossible for teams to prepare and adjust to as what he may have been strict on a week before he is lax on the following week. He is consistently inconsistent in my opinion.

Lacey is a ballix, Jones hasn't a clue and Mitrea makes it up as he goes along. We can all agree that the quality of referees in the Pro14 is lacking to say the least but it's lacking for all sides. It's the cries of bias that ring of utter BS and sour grapes. As I said before if Ulster were playing a Welsh side I'd prefer a quality Welsh ref to a frustratingly useless one.

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Post by Scottrf on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 8:17 pm

I think this thread needs putting out of its misery.

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Post by Don Alfonso on Fri 29 Sep 2017, 10:13 pm

So. Scarlets just played Connacht at home.

Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales)
Assistant referees: Ben Whitehouse, John Hardy (Wales)
Citing commissioner: Paul Thomas (Wales)
TMO: Sean Brickell (Wales)

Does it get its own thread? No. Does it even get a mention in this thread by Dowlais, who, lest we forget, is just concerned with the quality of the league?

No, he doesn't seem vexed, strangely. But surely there's a blow-by-blow analysis of Nige's decisions, right or wrong? Surely? No.

Won't somebody please think of the children?!?

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Post by Pot Hale on Fri 29 Sep 2017, 10:17 pm

Instead he spent his time watching the Leinster v Edinburgh match on 'his mac' so he could let loose more of his anti-Irish rugby diatribe.
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Post by Griff on Fri 29 Sep 2017, 10:18 pm

Don Alfonso wrote:So. Scarlets just played Connacht at home.

Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales)
Assistant referees: Ben Whitehouse, John Hardy (Wales)
Citing commissioner: Paul Thomas (Wales)
TMO: Sean Brickell (Wales)

Does it get its own thread? No. Does it even get a mention in this thread by Dowlais, who, lest we forget, is just  concerned with the quality of the league?

No, he doesn't seem vexed, strangely. But surely there's a blow-by-blow analysis of Nige's decisions, right or wrong? Surely? No.

Won't somebody please think of the children?!?

In fairness you're not giving him much chance to respond. It only finished an hour ago! He might be shampooing his carpets!


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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 29 Sep 2017, 10:21 pm

Difference being Owens is the best and I don’t ever see complaints about him from any nationality. Heard the guy who reffed Leinster - Edinburgh was crap though - was he Irish?

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Post by LordDowlais on Fri 29 Sep 2017, 10:22 pm

You lot seriously need to get a life. OK

The Scottish are moaning about unfair treatment in Dublin, and Irish teams getting the rub of the green, and whats your first responses ? Take a swipe at me. Laugh

What a bunch of losers. picard

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Post by Pot Hale on Fri 29 Sep 2017, 10:23 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Difference being Owens is the best and I don’t ever see complaints about him from any nationality. Heard the guy who reffed Leinster - Edinburgh was crap though - was he Irish?

Welsh-born refs are Irish refs according to LD. So yes.
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Post by marty2086 on Fri 29 Sep 2017, 10:26 pm

LordDowlais wrote:You lot seriously need to get a life. OK

The Scottish are moaning about unfair treatment in Dublin, and Irish teams getting the rub of the green, and whats your first responses ? Take a swipe at me. Laugh

What a bunch of losers. picard

Who's name is at the top of the thread?

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