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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 10 Sep 2017, 7:45 pm

First topic message reminder :

I was erring on the side of "too soon" when wondering whether to start this thread, but then I saw Olly had 12-fingered a "World Cup 2019" thread already and thought I was probably ok.

So, we move away from the West Indies and look at a trip Down Under to my second favourite country in the world; aye, we're heading to Australia for The Ashes.

And for us, there are many things to worry about. The top order hasn't really answered any questions firmly this summer: 3 of the top 5 could arguably count themselves lucky to be selected come November 23rd and a trip to Brisbane. It wouldn't be a surprise, given how things have gone, to see one of those dropped by the time we head to Adelaide for a day-nighter that will give those of us with jobs more of a chance to see some cricket!

There are questions in the bowling attack too, although you could be kind and say there's only one. Who is the other seamer? If Wood stays fit, surely he is the man to bring that real fizz that we'll need? But will he be fit? I know Oliver is sure of Woakes, and I do feel his strength with the bat could be useful with the shaky feeling about so many of the batsmen. One could also argue that it is how hard it is to really nail your colours to any of the options below the starting Xi that really keeps a less than inspiring (but still relatively well-performing) Stuart Broad away from much pressure.

Bayliss has said it's unlikely that any new faces will be picked. but with the amount of players England have got through lately, that still keeps us guessing somewhat.

Second spinner? Back-up wicket keeper? Where does Root bat and how does that change the side?

And what of Australia? I think it is safe to say that neither side is coming in with a classic XI on show. 

As I have confessed, I know by no means as much as pretty much anyone who comes to this part of the site, so enjoy reading and learning as we go. 

Go forth and predict your squad(s), XI(s) and discuss all and sundry whilst the words are meaningless and the rivalry brews.

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Re: Squad wrangles, top order worries and who takes the wickets: Pre-Ashes Selections and Thoughts Thread

Post by jimbohammers on Wed 22 Nov 2017, 6:28 pm

The Loaded Dog wrote:
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The Loaded Dog wrote:Jake Ball has got the nod ahead of Overton and it looks like Moeen will bat at 6, Bairstow at 7.

Glenn Maxwell has been called up to cover for either Warner (who should be OK) and Shaun Marsh who apparently hurt his back (again?) today at training.

Quite surprised at Ball ahead of Overton. (Also buggars me for your prediction game, LD!)

I left a post for you on that thread, jimbo... you need to select someone else. Still plenty of time. Quite dark here now though Wink

Cheers LD, have just posted in the thread

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Post by guildfordbat on Wed 22 Nov 2017, 8:20 pm

Succinct summing up today from my man Stewart -
''Whoever does the best with the new ball win the series.''

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Re: Squad wrangles, top order worries and who takes the wickets: Pre-Ashes Selections and Thoughts Thread

Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 22 Nov 2017, 8:46 pm

Pictures of the pitch show a green tinge, but all journalists expect that it will be a good batting track, with something in it for the bowlers for the first session with said grass on the wicket.
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Re: Squad wrangles, top order worries and who takes the wickets: Pre-Ashes Selections and Thoughts Thread

Post by JDizzle on Wed 22 Nov 2017, 8:49 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Pictures of the pitch show a green tinge, but all  journalists expect that it will be a good batting track, with something in it for the bowlers for the first session with said grass on the wicket.

So, what you are saying is... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EG4qL7qMXHQ


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Post by Duty281 on Wed 22 Nov 2017, 9:38 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Pictures of the pitch show a green tinge, but all  journalists expect that it will be a good batting track, with something in it for the bowlers for the first session with said grass on the wicket.

Both sides will be confident of early breakthroughs should they field first.

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Re: Squad wrangles, top order worries and who takes the wickets: Pre-Ashes Selections and Thoughts Thread

Post by The Loaded Dog on Wed 22 Nov 2017, 9:45 pm

I've set up a match thread here:

http://www.606v2.com/t66820-the-ashes-1st-test-brisbane

Not long to go now...
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Re: Squad wrangles, top order worries and who takes the wickets: Pre-Ashes Selections and Thoughts Thread

Post by guildfordbat on Sun 26 Nov 2017, 4:36 pm

Ben Foakes and Tom Curran temporarily leave the senior squad to play for the England Lions in a 12-a-side three day game against Queensland starting on Monday. Good to give them some game time although it probably also confirms how far they are from the Test side.

Keaton Jennings captains the Lions. Mark Wood also plays.

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Post by alfie on Sun 26 Nov 2017, 11:09 pm

guildfordbat wrote:Ben Foakes and Tom Curran temporarily leave the senior squad to play for the England Lions in a 12-a-side three day game against Queensland starting on Monday. Good to give them some game time although it probably also confirms how far they are from the Test side.

Keaton Jennings captains the Lions. Mark Wood also plays.

Makes sense. They aren't going to play in Adelaide : they need match practice - and Perth may indeed call for for some team changes. With Wood a more than outside chance to be drafted in , I fancy , if he is firing.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 26 Nov 2017, 11:12 pm

Alfie - thought you would pick up the reference to Wood. Wink

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Post by alfie on Sun 26 Nov 2017, 11:19 pm

Yes ...I am to be honest still not completely sold on Wood as he is yet to have a real day out in a Test Match : plus he does seem to get injured a lot and his action seems almost designed to invite trouble...But he clearly has a bit of pace and is probably the best candidate "waiting in the wings" that could give the current England attack a bit of a boost.

Your man Curran is a year or so away yet , I think.

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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 27 Nov 2017, 12:12 am

Alfie - I understand your views on Wood.

I also agree with you about Curran. I'm pretty sure Bayliss and co feel the same.

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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 27 Nov 2017, 12:12 am

sorry - double post.

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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 28 Nov 2017, 7:59 am

Guilford to me that shows they arent hitting the panic button for the second test, quite sensibly, but do wnat to mnake sure these guys are sharp for test 3 onwards. Woods way short of match bowling, its vital he gets that. Foakes isnt going to come in as a specialist bat (just yet ...lets not forget the farce of Buttler at 7)  and I cant see them taking the gloves off Bairstow unless hes having a real crisis. 

Im not a massive fan of Wood but I do agree that its important England get him back as an option. The attack is toothless as it stands, every bit as much as we feared it would be. Bowling full to Smith without movement isnt even inviting him to make a mistake. Bowling sub 140 bouncers to him just lets him pick and choose wether to get a boundary or not. Moeens rarely effective unless teams are going after him, and Australia have shown unexpected discipline to not do that for the most part. 
Like Ball Woods not fast enough to really make a difference, but they will need to rotate the bowlers through the series if nothing else. He has a bit more zip that an ageing Broad at least. Unpopular opinion Im sure but for this series I see him as a better option than Overton later in the series....if hes going well in the Lions/tour games. 

Stokes is the one guy who could lift the side ....but doesnt look like hes available any time soon.

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Post by guildfordbat on Tue 28 Nov 2017, 10:01 am

Gooseberry wrote:Guilford to me that shows they arent hitting the panic button for the second test, quite sensibly, but do wnat to mnake sure these guys are sharp for test 3 onwards. Woods way short of match bowling, its vital he gets that. Foakes isnt going to come in as a specialist bat (just yet ...lets not forget the farce of Buttler at 7)  and I cant see them taking the gloves off Bairstow unless hes having a real crisis. 

Im not a massive fan of Wood but I do agree that its important England get him back as an option. The attack is toothless as it stands, every bit as much as we feared it would be. Bowling full to Smith without movement isnt even inviting him to make a mistake. Bowling sub 140 bouncers to him just lets him pick and choose wether to get a boundary or not. Moeens rarely effective unless teams are going after him, and Australia have shown unexpected discipline to not do that for the most part. 
Like Ball Woods not fast enough to really make a difference, but they will need to rotate the bowlers through the series if nothing else. He has a bit more zip that an ageing Broad at least. Unpopular opinion Im sure but for this series I see him as a better option than Overton later in the series....if hes going well in the Lions/tour games. 

Stokes is the one guy who could lift the side ....but doesnt look like hes available any time soon.

Agreed although it's been good of him to go to New Zealand and take Bairstow off the back page! Smile

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