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Post by profitius on Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:16 pm

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Post by rodders on Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:08 pm

The Great Aukster wrote:Kelleher looked dodgy throwing from the line under pressure - is this 6N a year too soon?

Well if Cronin is out you'd have to presume that he'll be in the squad but probably behind Scannell and Herring unless there is an injury .... Rory's incredible durability is something we'll probably only appreciate now he's gone, hooker isn't a position with a lot of depth...
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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:16 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50562693

Allen Clarke has left his head coach role. The Ospreys are quoted as saying, "Thanks Ulster!"

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Post by rodders on Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:21 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50562693

Allen Clarke has left his head coach role. The Ospreys are quoted as saying, "Thanks Ulster!"

Not really a shock with the results he's had.
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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:23 pm

The only shock was hiring him in the first place.

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Post by rodders on Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:07 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:The only shock was hiring him in the first place.

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Post by carpet baboon on Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:39 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:The only shock was hiring him in the first place.

I think every Ulster fan did warn you not to

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Post by profitius on Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:46 pm

Decent weekend for the provinces.


Ulster did the business against a weakened Scarlets. Tbh i though Ulster would rest a few more players when they knew Scarlets were boing to be down a lot. I thought Johnston was motm.


Connacht were not too convincing but got the win. Kings in fairness are tougher this season.


Leinster will be happy with their win. I mentioned Connors' performance against Connacht the other week and he repeated it here. He might make the ireland squad on this form. Good defensive display.


Munster will be disappointed but they performed well for mufh of the match. Just made some bad errors. Healy looked good after his jittery start.
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Post by profitius on Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:38 am

UEFA have urged the FAI to sell their share of the Aviva stadium. I wonder if the IRFU would want to buy it.
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Post by SecretFly on Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:20 am

profitius wrote:UEFA have urged the FAI to sell their share of the Aviva stadium. I wonder if the IRFU would want to buy it.

Corruption, corruption, corruption. Football reeks of the stuff.

What business is it of UEFA what share of Lansdowne FAI holds? Unless they see themselves as potential 'agent' for some potential new buyer of those shares?

Who do UEFA think should buy the shares? Manchester United? Barcelona? The Irish Government?

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Post by Brendan on Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:29 am

Well the good news is the IRFU will be getting a bunch of cash to do it

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Post by thebandwagonsociety on Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:02 pm

SecretFly wrote:
profitius wrote:UEFA have urged the FAI to sell their share of the Aviva stadium. I wonder if the IRFU would want to buy it.

Corruption, corruption, corruption.  Football reeks of the stuff.

What business is it of UEFA what share of Lansdowne FAI holds?  Unless they see themselves as potential 'agent' for some potential new buyer of those shares?

Who do UEFA think should buy the shares?  Manchester United?  Barcelona?  The Irish Government?

Anyone could propose to by half the stadium.  It's a couple of acres of premium land in a posh part of the capital.  It's a venue that can host 50-60k concerts and events. It isn't solely soccer and rugby union.  There is convention space, hospitality, a whole load of potential there. Investment funds, live nation, plenty of other groups would be circling around.  It isn't solely a Government or IRFU situation.

If delaney was pushing funds back in into fai in the middle of the summer it would suggest cash is limited. There is a net asset position (at least in the 17-18 accounts there was) but that is wrapped up in the Aviva which isn't cash and doesn't pay the bills.  There is also c.€30m of the loan for the stadium due in the next 1-3 years.  It sounds like anyone who has seen the financial position is suggesting they need to right the ship and restructure asap.

Curious, if a company goes to the wall then usually the ODCE suspends the directors from being directors of any company for a number of years. It's a wonder how every senior head that is about to take a position in the FAI runs to the hills once they get a peak backstage. IF, if, possibly, maybe, who knows.

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Post by profitius on Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:24 pm

thebandwagonsociety wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
profitius wrote:UEFA have urged the FAI to sell their share of the Aviva stadium. I wonder if the IRFU would want to buy it.

Corruption, corruption, corruption.  Football reeks of the stuff.

What business is it of UEFA what share of Lansdowne FAI holds?  Unless they see themselves as potential 'agent' for some potential new buyer of those shares?

Who do UEFA think should buy the shares?  Manchester United?  Barcelona?  The Irish Government?

Anyone could propose to by half the stadium.  It's a couple of acres of premium land in a posh part of the capital.  It's a venue that can host 50-60k concerts and events. It isn't solely soccer and rugby union.  There is convention space, hospitality, a whole load of potential there. Investment funds, live nation, plenty of other groups would be circling around.  It isn't solely a Government or IRFU situation.

If delaney was pushing funds back in into fai in the middle of the summer it would suggest cash is limited. There is a net asset position (at least in the 17-18 accounts there was) but that is wrapped up in the Aviva which isn't cash and doesn't pay the bills.  There is also c.€30m of the loan for the stadium due in the next 1-3 years.  It sounds like anyone who has seen the financial position is suggesting they need to right the ship and restructure asap.

Curious, if a company goes to the wall then usually the ODCE suspends the directors from being directors of any company for a number of years. It's a wonder how every senior head that is about to take a position in the FAI runs to the hills once they get a peak backstage. IF, if, possibly, maybe, who knows.


The IRFU still owns the land and after 60 years the FAI lease will run out.


They gambled big time on 10 year ticket sales and it backfired spectacularly. The IRFU on the other hand went the conservative route and were fine.
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Post by thebandwagonsociety on Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:16 pm

How were the FAI to know that the product on the field was going to be sh!te? It's not as if it was their job to nurture and develop soccer through the grass root levels up to the national side? Oh wait, I mean they didn't have time concentrate on that when they were focusing on developing the domestic game? No that's not it nevermind. Surely there weren't all too busy creaming off the top that they didn't realise the 'top' was no longer on anything? So long as the bosses rent was paid on time and properly declared that's all that matters.

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Post by profitius on Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:14 pm

thebandwagonsociety wrote:How were the FAI to know that the product on the field was going to be sh!te? It's not as if it was their job to nurture and develop soccer through the grass root levels up to the national side? Oh wait, I mean they didn't have time concentrate on that when they were focusing on developing the domestic game? No that's not it nevermind.  Surely there weren't all too busy creaming off the top that they didn't realise the 'top' was no longer on anything?  So long as the bosses rent was paid on time and properly declared that's all that matters.

They had a fun time anyway. John Delaney buying fans drinks etc. Party on! Ale
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Post by SecretFly on Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:13 am

thebandwagonsociety wrote:
Anyone could propose to by half the stadium.  It's a couple of acres of premium land in a posh part of the capital.  It's a venue that can host 50-60k concerts and events. It isn't solely soccer and rugby union.  There is convention space, hospitality, a whole load of potential there. Investment funds, live nation, plenty of other groups would be circling around.  It isn't solely a Government or IRFU situation.

My point precisely.  Vultures preying on the opportunities potentially there to buy something perhaps cheap (below market value) from an organisation being publically goaded to sell - almost ordered to sell.... with a very public meltdown of finances in the news for months if not years.

Where were UEFA in the main Delaney years when everyone, including the dog on the street, knew that it was an organisation under very suspect management control, with one single person seeming to hold Don-like influence over all decisions made with scant transparency?  
Delaney was always a man to be more closely monitored by a body like UEFA....but blind eyes when times were good.  These characters are not unique.  They are the engine by which all these big organisations are run - the action men, the people who get things done, the vision guys.... the guys that wouldn't be contained by all moral business principles.

UEFA now only got involved because in a sense they were forced to by the final 'public' disclosure of the dodgy stuff.  And now perhaps some of their corporate buddies are whispering in their ear;  "motivate these suckers to sell and you never know, if we get a good deal and get our foot in, could be beneficial to you guys down the line.... we certainly won't forget the indirect assistance".

So if the FAI do decide to take UEFA advice and sell their share well maybe final penance would be for them to sell their share CHEAP to IRFU or the Government.  I trust UEFA as much as I trust FIFA as much as I trust FAI.

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Post by Pot Hale on Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:09 pm

SecretFly wrote:
thebandwagonsociety wrote:
Anyone could propose to by half the stadium.  It's a couple of acres of premium land in a posh part of the capital.  It's a venue that can host 50-60k concerts and events. It isn't solely soccer and rugby union.  There is convention space, hospitality, a whole load of potential there. Investment funds, live nation, plenty of other groups would be circling around.  It isn't solely a Government or IRFU situation.

My point precisely.  Vultures preying on the opportunities potentially there to buy something perhaps cheap (below market value) from an organisation being publically goaded to sell - almost ordered to sell.... with a very public meltdown of finances in the news for months if not years.

Where were UEFA in the main Delaney years when everyone, including the dog on the street, knew that it was an organisation under very suspect management control, with one single person seeming to hold Don-like influence over all decisions made with scant transparency?  
Delaney was always a man to be more closely monitored by a body like UEFA....but blind eyes when times were good.  These characters are not unique.  They are the engine by which all these big organisations are run - the action men, the people who get things done, the vision guys.... the guys that wouldn't be contained by all moral business principles.

UEFA now only got involved because in a sense they were forced to by the final 'public' disclosure of the dodgy stuff.  And now perhaps some of their corporate buddies are whispering in their ear;  "motivate these suckers to sell and you never know, if we get a good deal and get our foot in, could be beneficial to you guys down the line.... we certainly won't forget the indirect assistance".

So if the FAI do decide to take UEFA advice and sell their share well maybe final penance would be for them to sell their share CHEAP to IRFU or the Government.  I trust UEFA as much as I trust FIFA as much as I trust FAI.

They'll have no choice but to sell their stake to IRFU if they decide to do a deal.  Their share reverts to IRFU in the long-term anyway.

It's a no-brainer for the IRFU if the situation arises.  Splitting the proceeds of New Stadium DAC 50/50 each year would stop.  FAI would become a tenant income.
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