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Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by BigGee on Tue 19 Sep 2017, 9:38 am

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Glasgow Warriors v Munster

22nd September
KO 19.35
Scotstoun Stadium


Glasgow



15. Ruaridh Jackson (116)
14. Lee Jones (57)
13. Nick Grigg (23)
12. Peter Horne (119)
11. Rory Hughes (33)
10. Finn Russell (66)
9. Ali Price (44)

1. Jamie Bhatti (9)
2. George Turner (3)
3. Zander Fagerson (53)
4. Tim Swinson (100)
5. Scott Cummings (20)
6. Ryan Wilson (129) CAPTAIN
7. Callum Gibbins (2)
8. Adam Ashe (42)

Replacements:

16. Pat MacArthur (156)
17. Alex Allan (52)
18. D’arcy Rae (26)
19. Brian Alainu’uese (18)
20. Rob Harley (163)
21. Henry Pyrgos (128)
22. Sam Johnson (25)
23. Leonardo Sarto (10)

Unavailable players: Adam Hastings (thigh), Lelia Masaga (calf), Tommy Seymour (thigh), Fraser Brown (ankle), Alex Dunbar (knee), Jonny Gray (wrist), Stuart Hogg (shoulder), Oli Kebble (foot), Paddy Kelly (ankle), Ratu Tagive (achilles), Richie Vernon (achilles) and Samuela Vunisa (knee).





Munster

Andrew Conway
Darren Sweetnam
Chris Farrell
Rory Scannell
Alex Wootton
Tyler Bleyendaal – capt.
Duncan Williams
Liam O’Connor
Rhys Marshall
Stephen Archer
Jean Kleyn
Billy Holland
Sean O’Connor
Tommy O’Donnell
Jack O’Donoghue.

Replacements

Niall Scannell
Dave Kilcoyne
John Ryan
Fineen Wycherley
Robin Copeland
James Hart
Jaco Taute
Simon Zebo.



This fixture has become a bit of a grudge match with a fair amount of bad feelings from both teams over various issues. Munster though, clearly got the upper hand last year. It also has the makings of the battle for the top spot in the conference and so it is going to be a very important battle for both teams even at this early stage in the season. A bit of a battle of style and culture with Glasgow go from anywhere attacking game coming up against the best press defence in the league. Both teams, though not yet at full strength will be looking to put down an early marker and are undoubtedly going to be up for this game. This match has got the makings of an early season classic.


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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:26 pm

eirebilly wrote:Thanks for telling me where BBC2 Scotland was for the game tonight RDW, I really appreciate it furious

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:29 pm

Who got red and why?

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by eirebilly on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:30 pm

A lot has been made of referee's but tonight's performance from Owens has been absolute class.

I cant think of one decision he has gotten wrong. It was an excellent call there for Swinson and to red card Finn.
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:33 pm

Big win for Glasgow, wouldn't have seen that in previous seasons. Wins for Benetton and Cheetas too, great for the league and it should get better.

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by jimbopip on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:34 pm

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:40 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Who got red and why?

Munster 2nd row I think - swinging elbow to the head during a ruck clear out.

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by eirebilly on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:50 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Who got red and why?

Munster 2nd row I think - swinging elbow to the head during a ruck clear out.

It may also have been missed had Owens not gone to the replay to see how badly Swinson's head had been hit.
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:01 pm

Thanks. Ban coming up then no doubt. Was it Kleyn? Just asking as I don't know the other guy.

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:03 pm

Fineen Wycherly - who the hell is that??

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by eirebilly on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:06 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Fineen Wycherly - who the hell is that??

Fineen Wycherley is a Young Munster player (also Ireland U20 player), he is only 19. Munster have a lot of injuries at lock which is why he was promoted to selection. Decent player but a long way off the proper full team.
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:09 pm

Is that name Irish??

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by eirebilly on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:10 pm

Yeah, he is a Cork lad.
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by Sin é on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:41 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Is that name Irish??

West Cork has more of a cosmopolitan heritage.

Anyway, that was a tad embarrassing for Munster. Congratulations Glasgow.
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by RossAnderson on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:54 pm

Sarto, gibbons and Russell all a class above tonight.

If Russell could just improve his decision making in his own 22 there's not a flyhalf outside of nz I would trade him for.

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by Eejit on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 12:13 am

Needed that result. Sarto deserves a statue after that performance.

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 1:07 am

Munster really are a horrible, dirty, niggly bunch.   That is why it is so good to rub their noses in it.    Wait until we get our A team out.   We should have and could have  gone for 50 (again) to complete the humiliation.    Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by cakeordeath on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 8:48 am

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Munster really are a horrible, dirty, niggly bunch.   That is why it is so good to rub their noses in it.    Wait until we get our A team out.   We should have and could have  gone for 50 (again) to complete the humiliation.    Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo

Come on Schiz, that's a bit unfair. It was a good, but niggly game last night. Both sides dishing it out. Munster have an abrasive style of play, nothing wrong with that it's just different from our style. What pleased me most about last night was our ability to stand up to Munster and give as good as we got. Callum Gibbins was a one man bullying machine last night, and is really what we were lacking.

So unlucky to the Munster fans on here, I suspect the return fixture will be very different.



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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by jimbopip on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 9:34 am

Morning amigos. Hug

For me the most telling difference came in the 49-50th minute. As Jiffy would say Munster had numbers on the left, were in their own half, but the chance was definitely there, instead the ball carrier looked to take it into contact and by the time they recycled it the defence was set.
At that point I knew the game was won. Glasgow would have attacked wide, they did throughout the match, knowing that they would score more often than they would concede on the counter. Munster were limited in their ambition and "played the percentages" by keeping it close to the pack and trying to bulldoze their way through the middle.
But as Fast Eddie says at the climax of The Hustler, "Percentage players die broke too, Fat Man".

As far as Scotland is concerned; this style of rugby will dovetail perfectly with the way Toonie wants to play. Oh happy day, indeed.

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by eirebilly on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 9:39 am

Glasgow played the perfect game against Munster. As a Munster fan I actually do not mind being beaten by a side that takes on every opportunity that arises.

As Jimbo said, Munster play the percentage game very well and if a side gets sucked into it, there will only ever be one winner. Glasgow were not sucked into this, attacked at every given opportunity and pretty much ran Munster ragged.

Well done Glasgow and the Glasgow fans last night, as much as I hated the result, I did enjoy the game. thumbsup
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by Anglobraveheart on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 11:49 am

Just saw the highlights. Some fantastic tries there. The spirit looks impressive. Who got MoM?

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 11:52 am

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Post by Anglobraveheart on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 11:56 am

Top work Eirebilly. Very sporting. clap OK OK

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by BigGee on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 5:28 pm

Well I was on a night shift last night so could only follow on Twitter. A very pleasurable experience to get up and watch it this afternoon.

Did not see that coming at all. Not surprised that we won, but the manner of it was so impressive. We know we can score great tries, but the physicality was just as impressive and Munster were never really in the game.

When you think how close the games have been recently between the two sides this was totally out if character and Glasgow just looked as if they never had any doubts. They are a confident side on the roll at the moment, which is a very good place to be at this stage of the season.

With the players we know are coming back over the next few weeks, things look pretty rosy.

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by jimbopip on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 5:44 pm

I was chatting with young Bru today and he pointed out that Jean-Paul Sarto has a bit of the "quiet b@stard" about him. He's right; if Sarto didn't have such nifty footwork and ball-handling skills h'd probably be a good blind-side.

Rob Harley, however, would make a great winger if he didn't have hands like Frodo's.

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 5:51 pm

What age is the Glasgow 7? Scottish qualified?

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by jimbopip on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 6:02 pm

Rory, Half-Man Half-Mullet is also known as Calum Gibbins. Renzo brought him over from NZ. He's a Kiwi and NSQ.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 6:05 pm

jimbopip wrote:Rory, Half-Man Half-Mullet is also known as Calum Gibbins. Renzo brought him over from NZ. He's a Kiwi and NSQ.

Well, this Half-Man Half-Mullet was very impressive last night. Looks like a good signing!

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by BigGee on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 6:17 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
jimbopip wrote:Rory, Half-Man Half-Mullet is also known as Calum Gibbins. Renzo brought him over from NZ. He's a Kiwi and NSQ.

Well, this Half-Man Half-Mullet was very impressive last night. Looks like a good signing!

Probably to old to ever become SQ and be capped and in truth that was not what he was brought over for, rather to shore us up during our fallow periods during AIs and 6Ns.

The fact that he is an even better player than we dared hoped and is rapidly playing himself into the starting line up is an added bonus.

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by Taylorman on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 12:09 am

Looks like Dave Rennies off to a good start....as expected...

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by funnyExiledScot on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 10:57 am

Smashing performance Glasgow. Handy performances from 1 to 15. Sarto was very impressive and Russell is becoming a more complete player with every passing game.

Gibbins is signing of the season.

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by George Carlin on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 11:13 am

Absolutely delighted with any win over the Munstermen so I luxuriated in this result, I won't lie.

It's not really that surprising about Gibbins to be honest - no real shame to have your arse shipped to the subs bench when your immediate competition is Ardie Savea. He played regularly for the Canes and Rennie has known him since he was just a baby mullet.

I had my doubts about the quality of our backline (Jackson, Grigg, Horne) compared to potential future options of Hogg, Dunbar and Huw Jones but they all came through strongly. I also want to reach over and pat myself on the back about reminding everyone how good Sarto is. We'll lose him during the 6 Nations but as a squad player, he's an amazing choice.

Also had a real worry about the set piece but apparently our front row stood up well. Would welcome comments from anyone who saw the whole game.

To be where we are without Kebble, Hogg, Seymour (until recently), Gray and Brown is superb and I hope that these players come back hungry to compete for the shirt.
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 1:11 pm

GC, scrum was ok in parts of game - e.g. 2nd 40. It is clear though that Rennie is trying to copy the AB front five way - ball handlers who can run and pass. Hence Big Scott Cummings starts and who had another belter on Friday. Also a fast mobile front 3, where Fraz Brown will fit right in. How the others get back in ??? Headscratch
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by George Carlin on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 1:36 pm

Nice one Schiz - you've got to love the hunger of the youngfellers coming through.
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:00 pm

Indeed mate! Zander Fagerson has been on fire esp if anyone goes near his scrum cap laughing
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by RDW_Scotland on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 8:27 am

Watched the game last night and it certainly was an impressive Glasgow performance - Gibbins looks like he'll be the missing link for Glasgow in the pack (apart from the stupid hair) and Cummings is adding even more talent into our lock pool for Scotland. George Turner is performing better than any of our hooker at Edinburgh  ( Sad ) , and I can't see Rennie wanting to give him back come the end of the season.

It is worth saying that it was a very un Munster-like performance, albeit a lot of that was to do with Glasgow's pressure in defence. Bleyendaal had the worst game I've ever seen him play and I think he's normally one of the best 10s in the league.

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by eirebilly on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 9:04 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:

It is worth saying that it was a very un Munster-like performance, albeit a lot of that was to do with Glasgow's pressure in defence. Bleyendaal had the worst game I've ever seen him play and I think he's normally one of the best 10s in the league.

Have to disagree here, it was a very Munster like performance. They tried to suck Glasgow into a war of attrition but Glasgow did not fall into it. Glasgow went out there with a plan to simply play their own game and attack Munster at every opportunity, this is not something that Munster are used to. Munster are used to dictating games and when that fails, they seemingly have no plan B to counter.
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by RDW_Scotland on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 9:16 am

i know what you mean, but to clarify I meant they were making basic mistakes, lack of accuracy at the set piece, lack of intensity at the breakdown etc.

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Post by eirebilly on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 9:21 am

That I do agree with RDW but I think that was due to the intense pressure applied by Glasgow over the individual handling skills of the Munster players.

It was a very well carved out crushing in my mind and Glasgow deserve all the credit they can get for such a performance.
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by nickj on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 4:41 pm

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nickj wrote:Any idea if and how I can watch this in England?

Nickj, if you don't have Sky go on line to www. bbc/sport  watch tv and change your settings to Scotland and you can watch BBC2 Scotland live.

Thanks chaps. I ended up setting up a new iplayer account with the postcode of a healthcentre in Bridge of Allan. Got so absorbed in the game that I forgot to reply. Help was hugely appreciated though

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by Hazel Sapling on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 5:38 pm

Only got to watch the last half hour when the game was done. Surprised Munster could not bully the small Glasgow midfield. I was worried what crash ball against Russell-Horne would deliver and it appears the failure to exploit the wider areas of the pitch was a key difference. Munster will be in better shape next time we play.

Sarto put in an audition for a starting spot. Between Seymour, Sarto, Masaga and Jones, there are not many teams that can say they are superior. Sarto's contract is up at the end of the year (I think) and he will want to impress for the next contract.

Cummings is playing well though I am disappointed Brian has not been given more of a run. Still early in the season. Will Cummings do enough to be the starter with Gray? I get the feeling Swinson may not make the next WC squad.

The red card was unfortunate but followed the letter of the law. At no point was he entering the ruck with any arms and he hopefully has learned a valuable lesson

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 8:21 am

Hazel Sapling wrote:Only got to watch the last half hour when the game was done. Surprised Munster could not bully the small Glasgow midfield. I was worried what crash ball against Russell-Horne would deliver and it appears the failure to exploit the wider areas of the pitch was a key difference. Munster will be in better shape next time we play.

Sarto put in an audition for a starting spot. Between Seymour, Sarto, Masaga and Jones, there are not many teams that can say they are superior. Sarto's contract is up at the end of the year (I think) and he will want to impress for the next contract.

Cummings is playing well though I am disappointed Brian has not been given more of a run. Still early in the season. Will Cummings do enough to be the starter with Gray? I get the feeling Swinson may not make the next WC squad.

The red card was unfortunate but followed the letter of the law. At no point was he entering the ruck with any arms and he hopefully has learned a valuable lesson

We will have our players back by then too - although no doubt it will be during the 6 Ns when both teams will lose players.

To call the red card unfortunate is a rather strange way to put it when a player deliberately tried to injure an opponent.

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by eirebilly on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 9:05 am

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:
Hazel Sapling wrote:Only got to watch the last half hour when the game was done. Surprised Munster could not bully the small Glasgow midfield. I was worried what crash ball against Russell-Horne would deliver and it appears the failure to exploit the wider areas of the pitch was a key difference. Munster will be in better shape next time we play.

Sarto put in an audition for a starting spot. Between Seymour, Sarto, Masaga and Jones, there are not many teams that can say they are superior. Sarto's contract is up at the end of the year (I think) and he will want to impress for the next contract.

Cummings is playing well though I am disappointed Brian has not been given more of a run. Still early in the season. Will Cummings do enough to be the starter with Gray? I get the feeling Swinson may not make the next WC squad.

The red card was unfortunate but followed the letter of the law. At no point was he entering the ruck with any arms and he hopefully has learned a valuable lesson

We will have our players back by then too - although no doubt it will be during the 6 Ns when both teams will lose players.

To call the red card unfortunate is a rather strange way to put it when a player deliberately tried to injure an opponent.


I also would not call it unfortunate but I do not think he deliberately tried to injure the man. He is only 19 (nearly 20) playing his first real game with Munster and just got over excited trying to mix it with the big lads. He will serve a ban and suffer the 'in house' punishment for getting carded.
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by Hazel Sapling on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 9:39 am

eirebilly wrote:
21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:
Hazel Sapling wrote:Only got to watch the last half hour when the game was done. Surprised Munster could not bully the small Glasgow midfield. I was worried what crash ball against Russell-Horne would deliver and it appears the failure to exploit the wider areas of the pitch was a key difference. Munster will be in better shape next time we play.

Sarto put in an audition for a starting spot. Between Seymour, Sarto, Masaga and Jones, there are not many teams that can say they are superior. Sarto's contract is up at the end of the year (I think) and he will want to impress for the next contract.

Cummings is playing well though I am disappointed Brian has not been given more of a run. Still early in the season. Will Cummings do enough to be the starter with Gray? I get the feeling Swinson may not make the next WC squad.

The red card was unfortunate but followed the letter of the law. At no point was he entering the ruck with any arms and he hopefully has learned a valuable lesson

We will have our players back by then too - although no doubt it will be during the 6 Ns when both teams will lose players.

To call the red card unfortunate is a rather strange way to put it when a player deliberately tried to injure an opponent.


I also would not call it unfortunate but I do not think he deliberately tried to injure the man. He is only 19 (nearly 20) playing his first real game with Munster and just got over excited trying to mix it with the big lads. He will serve a ban and suffer the 'in house' punishment for getting carded.

Just watched highlights again. Looks more shoulder to shoulder but the elbow makes contact with the face initially and that is not what looks like it was intended to me. Each to their own.

Watching the highlights, Munster's second try would likely of not happened if it was not Owen's reffing. The advantage most refs give for knock-on's are usually a phase not a couple of passes (as much as I think it should be as Owen's played it there). Glasgow are starting to put it together. Want to see them do it on a rainy day after the close call at Cardiff (Connacht conditions were unique even in the UK).

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by eirebilly on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 9:44 am

I actually liked the way Owens played the advantage, I wish more ref's would do the same. Glasgow looked to break and almost odds on to score a length of the field try. They definitely won the advantage, that they lost the ball and Munster scored is unfortunate for them but at least Owens stuck to his guns.

Maybe Munster would not have received a yellow card either had Owens not reviewed the incident where Shingler was hit. He was not looking for foul play, he was looking at player safety to see if Shingler had been KO'ed. I thought Owens was very good.
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by BigGee on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 9:47 am

eirebilly wrote:I actually liked the way Owens played the advantage, I wish more ref's would do the same. Glasgow looked to break and almost odds on to score a length of the field try. They definitely won the advantage, that they lost the ball and Munster scored is unfortunate for them but at least Owens stuck to his guns.

Maybe Munster would not have received a yellow card either had Owens not reviewed the incident where Shingler was hit. He was not looking for foul play, he was looking at player safety to see if Shingler had been KO'ed. I thought Owens was very good.

When you say Shingler, I take it you mean Swinson!

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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by eirebilly on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 9:51 am

Yep, I mean Swinson. Bleedin foreign names Very Happy
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Re: Glasgow Warriors v Munster 22nd September 2017

Post by TJ on Wed 27 Sep 2017, 6:33 am

What a cracking game and a masterclass from Owens in the middle. Glasgow took everything Munster could throw at them and the relentless attacking from Glasgow was fantastic. latter part of the first half Glasgow 4 times ran it out from their 22.

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