England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

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England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by LordDowlais on Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:32 pm

What is wrong with this. If it ain't broke, don't fix it is my view, but what do others think, it looks as though England want to sit out the first weekend of the 6N, and play their final game a week later. What is being gained by this ?

Anyway, TAKEN FROM WOL.

The plan would see England and France sit out the opening weekend of the Six Nations

England rugby chiefs are considering proposals for a radical shake-up of the Six Nations that would see the 2017 champions and France play their first game a week after Wales, Scotland, Ireland and Italy according to newspaper reports.

Since the Five Nations became Six in 2000, all countries have played on the first weekend of the season and the current format sees the tournament played over seven weeks with two breaks for rest and recuperation.

England have been pressing for the competition to be played over six weeks though Welsh Rugby Union chairman Gareth Davies, in April, voiced his opposition to any changes arguing the proposal would adversely affect the nations with smaller playing resources.

It's thought Scotland, Ireland and Italy share similar views.

However, the RFU is considering a proposal from the Aviva Premiership clubs that, from 2020, England and France should skip the first round of matches.

It would mean the other four nations playing on the opening weekend, all six countries would play in the second weekend and the England v France fixture would stand alone in the third weekend, when there are usually no games.

If the Celtic nations refuse the changes then the RFU are considering taking the 2017 champions onto a different tournament schedule alongside France.

The proposal is one of a number of solutions under a consideration by the RFU's Professional Game Board.

The Six Nations chief executive John Feehan is reported to have declined to comment when asked by the Times newspaper if they were considering changing the scheduling of the Championship.

The proposals would make life tougher on England and France having fewer weeks' rest and Les Bleus would have to come on board, with agreements over broadcasting issues needing to be thrashed out.

Here is the link:- http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/england-plan-emerges-shake-up-13646213


I found this statement quite interesting in particular:-



What does this suggest ? Are they going to start a new tournament with France ? Or are they going to join another tournament ?

Anyway, what do you all think ?


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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by Poorfour on Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:50 pm

It's pretty clear what's being gained by this: England and France would compress their 6N schedule to 6 weekends, freeing up more room in the season for their club competitions.

Meanwhile, the Pro14 nations get to maintain a schedule that works for them. I don't see a huge issue there. If anything, having an additional rest weekend gives the other nations a slight advantage.

Also bear in mind that it comes from WOL, so it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt until confirmed by an actual news source.

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:53 pm

Poorfour wrote:It's pretty clear what's being gained by this: England and France would compress their 6N schedule to 6 weekends, freeing up more room in the season for their club competitions.

Isn't this the issue that the players are threatening to strike over though ? Too much rugby ?

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:59 pm

I may be missing it but where does it say they will play their final game a weekend later?

I think if france and England want to do this its fair enough. It appears to be league and union working together which is what everyone surely wants to see.

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:05 pm

In saying this, at least we would have a game to watch on the "free weekend". I wonder if the PLR or PRL or whatever they call themselves these days will be OK with this ? When we are in an age where player welfare is bandied about more often than not.

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Post by Poorfour on Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:07 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Poorfour wrote:It's pretty clear what's being gained by this: England and France would compress their 6N schedule to 6 weekends, freeing up more room in the season for their club competitions.

Isn't this the issue that the players are threatening to strike over though ? Too much rugby ?

It's the opposite - I think the aim by skipping the rest weekend it enables the season as a whole to end earlier. The internationals may lose a week's rest, but all the players, club and international, get a shorter season. It's worth looking at.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:08 pm

You still have the misleading or incorrect statement in your post.

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by LordDowlais on Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Poorfour wrote:It's the opposite - I think the aim by skipping the rest weekend it enables the season as a whole to end earlier. The internationals may lose a week's rest, but all the players, club and international, get a shorter season. It's worth looking at.

Ah, thanks for the insight, I did not know it was the length of the season that was the bone of contention. So I would have thought that the players and the PRL would be all for this if it means getting the season done a week earlier ?


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Post by No 7&1/2 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:14 pm

Have you read the article at all ld? The proposal it states is from the aviva clubs. And there is no mention of playing the final match a weekend later.

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Post by BamBam on Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:31 pm

It would mean England v France has to be the second game in the schedule for both countries every year, could that cause any issues?

Not quite sure what this bit means

If the Celtic nations refuse the changes then the RFU are considering taking the 2017 champions onto a different tournament schedule alongside France
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Smells a bit like WOL stirring that particular quote, no quotes or plans even mentioned, just a hint that the RFU will do what they like if the Celtic countries refuse.

Which is all the WOL target demographic need to get their panties in a twist

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Post by Poorfour on Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:07 pm

It was also covered in the Times (but paywalled). No mention of what it means for the wider season, but given the difficulty of fitting everything in to the season I am pretty sure it's about trying to create more space in the schedule

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Post by Scottrf on Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:09 pm

I would say it's so unlikely to happen it's not worth discussing.

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by cascough on Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:13 pm

I'd love to see it happen. Condensed to 5 weeks preferably. I really dislike the rest weekends as a fan. I know there's the player welfare issue but people seem to throw that out as a buzzword rather than explain how it impacts the players.

They won't be playing any more minutes for England and the EPS will still be looking after rest weeks/number of minutes played.

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by Gwlad on Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:46 pm

Why don't they sit out the entire thing and we just give them the 2nd place every year. Perfect

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Post by Scottrf on Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:51 pm

Gwlad wrote:Why don't they sit out the entire thing and we just give them the 2nd place every year. Perfect
Most titles in the 6 Nations, most titles in the 5 Nations OK

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:57 pm

2 wins on the trot. Not a great day for fact checking.

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by Gwlad on Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:17 pm

Went 18 years without a Championship win, no wonder they want out.

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by BamBam on Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:31 pm

Laugh you really are clutching at straws lad

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by No 7&1/2 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:44 pm

Not in the 6 nations we didn't.

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by Gwlad on Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:54 pm

Is Dylan banned again, is that why Eddie needs the extra few weeks?

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by BamBam on Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:01 pm

Na he just thought he'd give Wales a chance of being above England in the table for a week, the Welsh fans do get so giddy at the thought.

Its jolly good of Eddie to take the positivity of an entire nation into account. Only the sheep may object to the celebrations

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by Gwlad on Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:58 pm

Yeah thought so...when does Dylan's ban end.

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by Rugby Fan on Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:33 am

The clubs' response was to raise the idea of England and France missing the first weekend of the Six Nations and playing each other in week three, which is normally as fallow weekend, to allow the championship to still be reduced to six weeks for the England and French leagues.

The proposal is understood to have been raised “informally” by Bath owner Bruce Craig at a recent Professional Game Board meeting, but one leading source said on Wednesday it was already “dead in the water.”

“The clubs are desperate to ensure that the Six Nations does not overlap Premiership matches, but the unions and more importantly, the players do not want it,” said one source close to the negotiations.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2017/09/20/talk-rugby-rfu-dismiss-idea-england-france-playing-shortened/

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by BamBam on Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:48 pm

Ah. Well that's that then

More glorious reporting from Wales Online

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by lostinwales on Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:51 pm

So what are we saying? Bruce Craig speaks for all English rugby?

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Post by Scottrf on Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:03 pm

lostinwales wrote:So what are we saying? Bruce Craig speaks for all English rugby?

There's probably no tournament in professional sport where two teams are on a different schedule to others. It's not going to happen.

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by Gwlad on Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:31 pm

BamBam wrote:Ah. Well that's that then

More glorious reporting from Wales Online

a large proportion of your posts have something negative in them about Wales....why is that? Did a sheep turn you down?

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by BamBam on Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:41 pm

Just Wales Online in this case. Unless the report came from elsewhere I think that is a fair statement

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Post by Gwlad on Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:01 pm

BamBam wrote:Just Wales Online in this case. Unless the report came from elsewhere I think that is a fair statement
well sorry to burst your bubble but if you think Walesonline leads on news stories - clealry - then you obviously don't know it very well Laugh

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Re: England want to shake up the Six Nations and sit out the opening weekend

Post by RiscaGame on Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:41 am

Please don't criticise WOL. It's an important rag to some.

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