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Post by Rugby Fan on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 11:53 pm

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Although there might now be some headlines saying "O'Brien Blasts Lions Coaches", I don't think there's anything bitter or malicious about what he's saying. Off the Ball has audio here:

http://www.offtheball.com/Sean-OBrien-The-Lions-should-have-beaten-the-All-Blacks-comfortably-enough-new-zealand

He clearly has mixed feeling about how the tour turned out, and is trying identify where things might have gone better. His comments about over training before the first Test echo the criticism made about Graham Henry's tour in 2001.

“The first week, we definitely over-trained on the Thursday and maybe the coaches were panicking a little bit about getting the information into us. On the first week [of the first Test], we had a triple [session] day, [the] lads’ legs were heavy on the Thursday and we were playing the All Blacks on Saturday.

“We did nearly a similar thing in the last week. So maybe it’s more [from] a coaching point of view, in terms of taking lessons. Less is more sometimes on a tour like that, rather than trying to pick things up at the end of the week.

“There was probably no need for that but it’s just the way it was managed. We had said it, at the time, and they pulled back a bit. But it’s just about getting that fine balance between players and coaches and making sure the group is ready to rock.”

O'Brien says Rob Howley was unable to impose himself on the squad, and he thinks the backs were guided instead by Sexton and Farrell. If so, then that may be one factor behind Gatland's eventual decision to play both men together.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2017/09/20/lions-coaching-staff-blame-new-zealand-series-defeat-says-sean/

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by Sin é on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:13 am

ebop wrote:
yappysnap wrote:
Engine#4 wrote:Neither can I. Sometimes false humility comes off as transparently patronising. It's O'Brien's opinion and nobody here was in camp so can't really disagree.

This

Two teams trying to talk up each other, players trying to talk up opposition when you can see they clearly don't believe it and are reading a script.

SOB's comments are at least genuine.

Billy Vunipola's are a bit daft.
Yeah

It's great when sports star get all tough and talk big and blow smoke up their own bums

After they fail and draw a series

This is SOB's clarification:

SOB wrote:“Unfortunately some people have focused on what I feel we could have done better instead of what we did well.

“I have nothing but respect for Warren and the whole coaching team, in addition to the rest of the back room staff and squad of players.

“But do I believe we — the players and coaches — could have done better? Yes. Do I believe we could have won the series? Yes. Do I believe the Lions squad in 2021 will be better for this? Yes.

“If we don’t look to build on and improve on the tour to New Zealand how can future Lions squads do better?

“It is a privilege and an honour to be called a British & Irish Lion and I hope this clarifies my position once and for all.”

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:18 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:What did Sid say?

Going said the coach pushed his players until their ‘brains were fuzzy’

The Lions weren’t as good as most people give them credit for. Our forwards did too much running around and not enough driving. There was too much individualism. There was a vast difference between being a New Zealand half-back in 1971 and being a New Zealand half-back in 1967. In ’67, the forwards were there to control, to give you what we used to call ‘plate ball’. By ’71 the pack had loosened up. I was never certain where the ball was going to pop up from. We’d gone right away from the tight core who controlled the game to a load of individuals who all seemed like frustrated loose forwards.

(On his last point. All Black great number 8 Brian Lochore, was brought out of retirement but asked to play at lock)

He says the coach got selection wrong for the fourth Test.

Our backline was different again from the other Tests, with Wayne Cottrell, Phil Gard and Mick Duncan outside me. We had no hope of developing teamwork to beat the Lions in virtually one training session. Phil Gard looked a useful footballer playing for North Otago, but he and I were complete strangers. He was making his debut in the final Test of a major series. With backs who understood each other’s play – like our backs at North Auckland – we might have rescued things.


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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by rodders on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:19 am

LordDowlais wrote:Christ.

The hatred for Warren Gatland from some of our Irish members on here is very unhealthy, even disturbing. In the words of Frozen.

"LET IT GO !!!"

Life is short.

I don't hate him LD, its just that last Stephen King movie made me a bit wary of fellas in clown suits.
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by eirebilly on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:19 am

Sin é, the fact that SOB felt the need to come out and clarify his statements (using different words entirely) appears to me that he knew what he said in the first instance was a bit poor.
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by ebop on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:20 am

Collapse2005 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Christ.

The hatred for Warren Gatland from some of our Irish members on here is very unhealthy, even disturbing. In the words of Frozen.

"LET IT GO !!!"

Life is short.

Its not hatred Dowlais. Im Irish and dont hate him at all. I think given he was the man in the hot seat he is fair game for some criticism. The Wales players are hardly going to be to ones to pipe up are they?
SOB displayed a lack of honour in undermining the coach

And very publicly

Where's the gain for him?
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by Sin é on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:22 am

LordDowlais wrote:Christ.

The hatred for Warren Gatland from some of our Irish members on here is very unhealthy, even disturbing. In the words of Frozen.

"LET IT GO !!!"

Life is short.

If anyone is holding grudges, its Gatland. This is what Paul O'Connell had to say about Gatland in his book. He really has a weird way of coaching.

He came over to me one day and I swear he was trying to do a job on me mentally, for the next time Wales played Ireland. Mind games were part of what he brought to the table and his track record showed he was incredibly good at playing them.

"Have you noticed how incredibly fit the Welsh boys are?

Then, ahead of the first Test:

"Just to let you know, Alun-Wyn will be playing in the Test. So it's between you and Geoff for the other second-row position".

That was the full extent of the conversation.

SOB had something similar to say about his coaching.

That kind of coaching is an archaic style of coaching which would be completely alien to all the other players. I can't think of another top coach who is so distant from his players.



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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by munkian on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:23 am

ebop wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Christ.

The hatred for Warren Gatland from some of our Irish members on here is very unhealthy, even disturbing. In the words of Frozen.

"LET IT GO !!!"

Life is short.

Its not hatred Dowlais. Im Irish and dont hate him at all. I think given he was the man in the hot seat he is fair game for some criticism. The Wales players are hardly going to be to ones to pipe up are they?
SOB displayed a lack of honour in undermining the coach

And very publicly

Where's the gain for him?

Hes not going on another Lions tour - maybe he has a book coming out though an audio book would be hilarious.
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by Griff on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:23 am

rodders wrote:
ebop wrote:And regarding SOB, who the f**k is he? Gatland wins a series in Australia and draws one in New Zealand. That's successful in my mind. This SOB guy just looks like an idiot.

Well if I recall SOB was the guy on the field who helped the Lions win and draw said series, Gats was the fat fella in the clown suit watching in the stands.

So shouldn't SOB shoulder some of the blame for not winning 3-0, as he was the one on the pitch and Gatland wasn't. Or will he claim 'it was the the gameplan what done it, it was the gameplan', while in the next breath saying that Sexton and Farrell were good enough themselves to change the gameplan! Maybe SOB should have influened the forwards game plan a bit more. SOB had a good tour but he wasn't 10/10 in every game. Should look closer to home perhaps.

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Post by rodders on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:25 am

Griff wrote:SOB had a good tour but he wasn't 10/10 in every game. Should look closer to home perhaps.

Maybe he was a bit tired from the triple training session on the Thursday?
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by ebop on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:30 am

rodders wrote:
Griff wrote:SOB had a good tour but he wasn't 10/10 in every game. Should look closer to home perhaps.

Maybe he was a bit tired from the triple training session on the Thursday?
Laugh
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by rodders on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:33 am

ebop wrote:
rodders wrote:
Griff wrote:SOB had a good tour but he wasn't 10/10 in every game. Should look closer to home perhaps.

Maybe he was a bit tired from the triple training session on the Thursday?
Laugh

Seriously folks I think you are all taking O'Brien's comments a bit too seriously, those Irish dairy farmers are always complaining about something.
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by Sin é on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:33 am

Griff wrote:
rodders wrote:
ebop wrote:And regarding SOB, who the f**k is he? Gatland wins a series in Australia and draws one in New Zealand. That's successful in my mind. This SOB guy just looks like an idiot.

Well if I recall SOB was the guy on the field who helped the Lions win and draw said series, Gats was the fat fella in the clown suit watching in the stands.

So shouldn't SOB shoulder some of the blame for not winning 3-0, as he was the one on the pitch and Gatland wasn't. Or will he claim 'it was the the gameplan what done it, it was the gameplan', while in the next breath saying that Sexton and Farrell were good enough themselves to change the gameplan! Maybe SOB should have influened the forwards game plan a bit more. SOB had a good tour but he wasn't 10/10 in every game. Should look closer to home perhaps.

SOB wrote:But coming out of the series with a draw, it was a really good achievement?

“No. No. I think we should have won 3-0 with the players we had, we should have won the series,” O’Brien insists. “And, looking back, and I could be completely wrong, but if we had a little more structure during the weeks, and more of an attack game plan, as such, driven way earlier in the tour, I think we could win 3-0.”

SOB wrote:O’Brien was one of a number of senior players who aired their concern and grievances over the training schedule at the time, but it was too late.

“We did [speak up] at the time, but some of the coaches wanted to get info and they wanted to tick their boxes, and we did discuss it afterwards. Friday’s training was very light but it was too late at that stage. People were trying to recover all day Friday.

SOB wrote:“I think going back a few years, I probably might not have said or had those conversations with the coaches, if you look at the chats I had with Gats, because I was playing well, he entertained me a bit more, and asked for my opinion on things, but if you’re not playing well, he doesn’t really talk to you. That’s just the way it is. I didn’t want the tour to pass by without me speaking up or saying a few messages that I thought was relevant to getting us to perform.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by TightHEAD on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:38 am

I thought the Irish were meant to be a happy go lucky bunch?  Leprechaun

Yet they are always moaning! picard
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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:48 am

ebop wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Christ.

The hatred for Warren Gatland from some of our Irish members on here is very unhealthy, even disturbing. In the words of Frozen.

"LET IT GO !!!"

Life is short.

Its not hatred Dowlais. Im Irish and dont hate him at all. I think given he was the man in the hot seat he is fair game for some criticism. The Wales players are hardly going to be to ones to pipe up are they?
SOB displayed a lack of honour in undermining the coach

And very publicly

Where's the gain for him?

Jesus why do Kiwis have to be so intense all the time. Lighten up will ya. Lack of honour. FFS he is not a samuri.

Are the Kiwis jealous or something because they know SOB is leagues better than Sam Cane?


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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:48 am

TightHEAD wrote:I thought the Irish were meant to be a happy go lucky bunch?  Leprechaun

Yet they are always moaning! picard

Sounds like you are moaning now? Ironic post.

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Post by rodders on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:49 am

TightHEAD wrote:I thought the Irish were meant to be a happy go lucky bunch?  Leprechaun

Yet they are always moaning! picard

That'll be the weather.
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Post by munkian on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:53 am

rodders wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:I thought the Irish were meant to be a happy go lucky bunch?  Leprechaun

Yet they are always moaning! picard

That'll be the weather.

Or living in Carlow.
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by rapidsnowman on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:55 am

ebop wrote:SOB displayed a lack of honour in undermining the coach

And very publicly

Where's the gain for him?

No obvious gain - so maybe he was just being honest, no ulterior motive.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:56 am

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aucklandlaurie wrote:What did Sid say?

Going said the coach pushed his players until their ‘brains were fuzzy’

The Lions weren’t as good as most people give them credit for. Our forwards did too much running around and not enough driving. There was too much individualism. There was a vast difference between being a New Zealand half-back in 1971 and being a New Zealand half-back in 1967. In ’67, the forwards were there to control, to give you what we used to call ‘plate ball’. By ’71 the pack had loosened up. I was never certain where the ball was going to pop up from. We’d gone right away from the tight core who controlled the game to a load of individuals who all seemed like frustrated loose forwards.

(On his last point. All Black great number 8 Brian Lochore, was brought out of retirement but asked to play at lock)

He says the coach got selection wrong for the fourth Test.

Our backline was different again from the other Tests, with Wayne Cottrell, Phil Gard and Mick Duncan outside me. We had no hope of developing teamwork to beat the Lions in virtually one training session. Phil Gard looked a useful footballer playing for North Otago, but he and I were complete strangers. He was making his debut in the final Test of a major series. With backs who understood each other’s play – like our backs at North Auckland – we might have rescued things.


 I dont think you can interpret those quotes as Sid saying that he is blaming Vodanovich for the All Blacks not winning the series 4Nil, I cannot recall reading/hearing these comments of Sid's before, how long after the tour were they made? If it was an extract from his biography (Super Sid) that was written 7 years later which is a lot different to 3 months.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by rodders on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:01 am

rapidsnowman wrote:
ebop wrote:SOB displayed a lack of honour in undermining the coach

And very publicly

Where's the gain for him?

No obvious gain - so maybe he was just being honest, no ulterior motive.

He'd best be careful or he'll be in for a bit of treatment from Gat's eldest sons Sam and Alun wyn in the 6N.
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Post by Scottrf on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:03 am

rodders wrote:
rapidsnowman wrote:
ebop wrote:SOB displayed a lack of honour in undermining the coach

And very publicly

Where's the gain for him?

No obvious gain - so maybe he was just being honest, no ulterior motive.

He'd best be careful or he'll be in for a bit of treatment from Gat's eldest sons Sam and Alun wyn in the 6N.

Better be in the first five minutes or Alun will be on the floor gasping for breath.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:04 am

ebop wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
ebop wrote:
Only one of the tests had a decent referee and look how that turned out. When the two corrupt French referees got involved our worst fears played out as expected before the series. We knew they'd be terrible but what transpired at the end of Test 3 was mind blowing. Was this the 'making our own luck' that SOB mentions? Taking advantage of bent referee decisions and scraping together a drawn series?

Those are quite inflammatory accusations.

Those two referees are among the best in the world, far better than the likes of Nigel Owens. New Zealanders don't like them because they actually penalise their players and send them off. Something which gutless referees would never do.
Goodness gracious, that is the single most hilarious thing I've read on here this year Laugh

Thanks for that thumbsup

No worries. It looks like you need a few pointers o this subject. So just holler.

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Post by Sin é on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:07 am

According to Telegraph, Gatland is to seeking a meeting with SOB. They are also disputing the Triple training session on the Thursday!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2017/09/21/sean-obrien-must-explain-following-attack-lions-demands-head/
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by ebop on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:10 am

Think now is about time we get the lawyers in
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Post by ebop on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:12 am

Collapse2005 wrote:
ebop wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Christ.

The hatred for Warren Gatland from some of our Irish members on here is very unhealthy, even disturbing. In the words of Frozen.

"LET IT GO !!!"

Life is short.

Its not hatred Dowlais. Im Irish and dont hate him at all. I think given he was the man in the hot seat he is fair game for some criticism. The Wales players are hardly going to be to ones to pipe up are they?
SOB displayed a lack of honour in undermining the coach

And very publicly

Where's the gain for him?

Jesus why do Kiwis have to be so intense all the time. Lighten up will ya. Lack of honour. FFS he is not a samuri.

Are the Kiwis jealous or something because they know SOB is leagues better than Sam Cane?
Calm down mate thumbsup
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Post by lostinwales on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:18 am

ebop wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
ebop wrote:
Only one of the tests had a decent referee and look how that turned out. When the two corrupt French referees got involved our worst fears played out as expected before the series. We knew they'd be terrible but what transpired at the end of Test 3 was mind blowing. Was this the 'making our own luck' that SOB mentions? Taking advantage of bent referee decisions and scraping together a drawn series?

Those are quite inflammatory accusations.

Those two referees are among the best in the world, far better than the likes of Nigel Owens. New Zealanders don't like them because they actually penalise their players and send them off. Something which gutless referees would never do.
Goodness gracious, that is the single most hilarious thing I've read on here this year Laugh

Thanks for that thumbsup

Well to be honest your original comment on this sounds like 'a good referee is a referee who sees the game as I do'. Which is fair enough as we all have an opinion. Although it should read in full as

'A good referee is a referee who sees the game as I do, as a totally unbiased fan of the All Blacks'

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Post by BamBam on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:20 am

SOB doesn't owe Blockhead any explanation

A monkey could see Howley was about as much use on that tour as a chocolate teapot

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Post by rodders on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:31 am

Sin é wrote:According to Telegraph, Gatland is to seeking a meeting with SOB. They are also disputing the Triple training session on the Thursday!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2017/09/21/sean-obrien-must-explain-following-attack-lions-demands-head/

Maybe it was one session with long breaks?
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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:34 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:I cannot recall reading/hearing these comments of Sid's before, how long after the tour were they made? If it was an extract from his biography (Super Sid) that was written 7 years later which is a lot different to 3 months.
They are in a book on the 1971 series published this year. Some of the quotes are contemporary, and some later (Gordon Brown is in there, and he died in 2001). I don't think it was in the culture of rugby back then to credit or blame coaches for wins as we do now; players accepted the responsibility themselves for the most part (it was a bit of a sea change that Carwyn James got so much public acclaim for his role during the series).

Bryan Williams on Vodanovich:

It would be fair to say Ivan wasn’t a great coach, but he was a very nice person, a very caring sort of guy who wanted the best for the team – but he’d been thrown in at the deep end as well, because once Fred Allen retired, I don’t think the New Zealand Rugby Union had much of a succession plan in place. He was just kind of dropped into the head-coach role because he’d been one of the selectors and had been around the team. One of the things he struggled with most was getting his message across. When it came to explaining exactly what he wanted, he would struggle.

Fergie McCormick criticized his training after the First Test in the earlier Springbok series:

After the first Test, we had a bit of a drinking session, and the following day we really paid for it. It started at Kruger Park. We went out into a sun as hot as fifty thousand bastards and Ivan put us through a run. Our manager, Ron Burk, had ripped into us for hitting the grog too much and it was maybe his call that we were put through the hoops. Or it might have been an overreaction to the Test loss. But my God, we hadn’t lost the Test because we weren’t fit or because we were slopping with beer. We’d lost it because the Springboks had out-thought us, planned more intelligently than us and then outplayed us. At Kruger, we deserved a couple of days of relaxation. What happened was unwarranted. It was brutal. It was insane. The players would have appreciated the opportunity to mull over tactics with Ivan and Ron, but there was none of that. The relationship between the management and the players took a sharp downturn.

Bearing in mind, this happened:

South Africa won that third Test 14–3. They’d win the fourth Test as well, a 20–17 victory in Johannesburg, where rumours of discontent about Vodanovich cranked up another notch. There was an incident in Potchefstroom that caused rancour in the camp. Grizz Wyllie and his Canterbury mate, the prop Alister Hopkinson, pulled a prank on Vodanovich that cost them their place in the Test side.
The players were standing at the bottom of the hotel stairs having a chat when Vodanovich came rushing through, heading for the revolving doors. For reasons known only to himself, Grizz stuck out a leg and tripped him, and Vodanovich ended up in a heap on the floor.
The coach said that, by way of punishment, no Canterbury player would be selected for the fourth Test. Everybody presumed that Vodanovich was joking, but he was serious. Wyllie and Hopkinson were dropped, as was their Canterbury mate, Fergie McCormick. It caused a rift, and that rift needed to be healed.

That Sprinbok series defeat led a lot of veteran players to retire, slightly disillusioned. Arguably, that was an advantage when the Lions came over. Vodanovich didn't want to send out an inexperienced side, so he kept some older players past their sell-by date, or asked them to play when they were unfit.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by ebop on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:37 am

lostinwales wrote:
ebop wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
ebop wrote:
Only one of the tests had a decent referee and look how that turned out. When the two corrupt French referees got involved our worst fears played out as expected before the series. We knew they'd be terrible but what transpired at the end of Test 3 was mind blowing. Was this the 'making our own luck' that SOB mentions? Taking advantage of bent referee decisions and scraping together a drawn series?

Those are quite inflammatory accusations.

Those two referees are among the best in the world, far better than the likes of Nigel Owens. New Zealanders don't like them because they actually penalise their players and send them off. Something which gutless referees would never do.
Goodness gracious, that is the single most hilarious thing I've read on here this year Laugh

Thanks for that thumbsup

Well to be honest your original comment on this sounds like 'a good referee is a referee who sees the game as I do'. Which is fair enough as we all have an opinion. Although it should read in full as

'A good referee is a referee who sees the game as I do, as a totally unbiased fan of the All Blacks'
Well if you like anti-rugby then go defend the calamitous dynamic duo of Poite and Garces

Be my guest

They were a disgrace and the appointees knew they would be
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by Scottrf on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:38 am

ebop wrote:Well if you like anti-rugby then go defend the calamitous dynamic duo of Poite and Garces

Be my guest

You mean anti-AB tactics.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by ebop on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:39 am

Nah, just pedantic incompetent anti-rugby lovers


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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by rodders on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:41 am

Gee you'd think O'Brien was the first player to ever criticize a coaching team in public .... I'm really starting to think that Gats and Howley have a load of fake accounts on here.
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:43 am

ebop wrote:
Well if you like anti-rugby then go defend the calamitous dynamic duo of Poite and Garces

Be my guest

They were a disgrace and the appointees knew they would be

Anti-rugby? They referee the breakdown. So teams that transgress at the breakdown all the time (like New Zealand) get pinged all the time. Those 2 referees do their job well, and you don't like it.


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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:43 am

ebop wrote:Nah, just pedantic anti-rugby lovers

Maybe you just arent used to seeing the ABs fairly penalised. Garces showed a lot of balls to give SBW a red card, rightly so. Peyper is known for bottling decisions like that as he did in the ABs v Ireland game in Dublin. A better ref would have given NZ two red cards.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by ebop on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:43 am

SOB is a tough guy though, right?

Clean sweep the ABs in NZ is a piece of p1ss

3 minutes in the lead went to his head
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:45 am

No he has a fairly clean record. Only one international ban for punching Pelouse after Pelouse stuck his finger in SOBs bum. Irish players dicipline in general is better than the ABs discipline.

Edit: It was Pape not Pelouse.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 12:36 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:No he has a fairly clean record. Only one international ban for punching Pelouse after Pelouse stuck his finger in SOBs bum. Irish players dicipline in general is better than the ABs discipline.

Edit: It was Pape not Pelouse.

How you've deduced that Pape has "stuck his finger up O'Brien's bum" is quite puzzling.


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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by ebop on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 12:50 pm

And this one is with French commentary, which I thought was a nice touch considering


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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 12:56 pm

ebop wrote:And this one is with French commentary, which I thought was a nice touch considering



He was cleared of any wrongdoing in that incident by 3 Aussies, so direct your ire at them I reckon.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by TightHEAD on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 12:58 pm

Maybe its time the British Lions moved on from the Irish, over the last two tours the Irish players and fans* have only contributed negativity.

+ we would have won in 2009 if it wasn't for ROG.



*by Fans I mean on places like this and Social Media, The Irish lads on Tour in NZ were great. Very Happy
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Post by Scottrf on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 1:45 pm

TightHEAD wrote:*by Fans I mean on places like this and Social Media, The Irish lads on Tour in NZ were great. Very Happy

How would you know?

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by rodders on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 1:51 pm

TightHEAD wrote:
+ we would have won in 2009 if it wasn't for ROG. [/color][/i]

Phil Vickery begs to differ.
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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by Gwlad on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 2:25 pm

NZers rate a refs performance and professional competence on whether they win or not. Simples.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 2:32 pm

Imagine if AWJ said this about the Lions, the fallout from the English and Irish on here would be unreal.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 2:40 pm

If Jones said that about howley you mean? I think it'd be the same reactions from everyone wouldn't it?

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Post by Scottrf on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 2:41 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Imagine if AWJ said this about the Lions, the fallout from the English and Irish on here would be unreal.
Wahhhh a story that's not about the Welsh?

The fall out has been quite big. The difference in the Irish have criticised SOB, whereas you wouldn't criticise AWJ if he defecated in your cereal.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 3:00 pm

Scottrf wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Imagine if AWJ said this about the Lions, the fallout from the English and Irish on here would be unreal.
Wahhhh a story that's not about the Welsh?

The fall out has been quite big. The difference in the Irish have criticised SOB, whereas you wouldn't criticise AWJ if he defecated in your cereal.

It is about the Welsh isn't it? You know with the way the usual morons keep using it to slag off the Welsh (I quote), team Wales, etc and nothing getting done about it.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 3:05 pm

So why would a Welsh player also agreeing howley wasnt able to communicate effectively make any sort of fallout from irish and English posters? I've read a fair few comments from Welsh fans saying similar. I think you may have been one of them though I may be wrong.

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Re: Sean O'Brien on the Lions

Post by BamBam on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 3:06 pm

Scottrf wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Imagine if AWJ said this about the Lions, the fallout from the English and Irish on here would be unreal.
Wahhhh a story that's not about the Welsh?

The fall out has been quite big. The difference in the Irish have criticised SOB, whereas you wouldn't criticise AWJ if he defecated in your cereal.

Fairly sure some on here have wet dreams about AWJ defecating in their cereal

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