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Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 12:22 pm

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Ulster: C Piutau, T Bowe, D Cave, McCloskey, J Stockdale, P Nelson, P Marshall, K McCall, R Herring, R Ah You, R Diack, A O’Connor, C Ross, C Henry (captain), N Timoney. Replacements: J Andrew, A Warwick, W Herbst, I Henderson, M Rea, D Shanahan, B Herron, R Lyttle.

Dragons: C Meyer, A Hughes, T Palamo, P Howard, G Gasson, D Jones, O Leonard, T Davies, G Ellis, L Fairbrother, M Screech, R Landman, M Williams, O Griffiths (captain), R Blake. Replacements: R Buckley, P Price, B Harris, J Davies, L Greggains, D Blacker, A O’Brien, W Talbot Davies.

Referee: Dan Jones (WRU, 10th competition game)
AR1: Ian Davies (WRU). AR2: Adam Jones (WRU)
TMO: John Mason (WRU)


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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Redman on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 8:44 pm

Ok I'll concede I did love the kick from Diack.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 8:45 pm

Big fan of Timoney in this game. He's a very good tackler, but also offers a real dynamic option in open play.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by clivemcl on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 8:45 pm

That was also a great tackle by Timoney there!

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Pete330v2 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 8:47 pm

Just think Timoney would never have been near the 1st XV with Doak and Clarke about. He looks fantastic. What an option to have.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by clivemcl on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 8:51 pm

Just think about the names of the 15 players Ulster have on the pitch currently. This is new territory for Ulster. A performing squad. Not perfect but very encouraging.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by marty2086 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 8:55 pm

Pete think it's harsh on Doak, plenty of young backs got a look in under Doak always seemed to be the forwards that never got an opportunity

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:03 pm

I think it is now safe enough to say this...we are the only team to have won every game after tonight, is that right? Excellent.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by marty2086 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:05 pm

Glasgow if they win will be 4 from 4

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Pete330v2 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:07 pm

Yeah Marty. I should have kept that to Clarke. Apologies to Mr Doak

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:08 pm

marty2086 wrote:Glasgow if they win will be 4 from 4

I thought they had lost one for some reason. Whoops.

Stockdale is such a good finisher.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:09 pm

Cheetahs get a convincing win over Leinster. Pretty good news for the pro 14. Cheetahs had a lot of criticism too, hopefully they've silenced some doubters.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:10 pm

Did Bowe's hand touch that? I didn't think so...

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Pete330v2 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:12 pm

I cannot stand Dan Jones.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by marty2086 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:12 pm

It touched it for me but no way was it clear and obvious

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:12 pm

By the way it left Palamo's hand it looked as if it was touched, but I couldn't see Bowe touch it from the angles given - not sure if the officials could either.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:13 pm

Pete330v2 wrote:I cannot stand Dan Jones.

Know him do you?

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:14 pm

If anyone has been standout poor for us tonight it has to be Fairbrother. Some of the youngsters have done alright though.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by marty2086 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:15 pm

Another poor decision, ball went forward and hands went back so the try was good

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by carpet baboon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:16 pm

Best pass ever if that's not forward

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by carpet baboon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:16 pm

Ahhh that should have been a score

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by carpet baboon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:19 pm

Have to say heron and shanahan have looked good tonight

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:24 pm

Timoney is my hero. Very impressed by his work rate, even if he didn't get there.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:25 pm

Pleasing stuff from our youngsters again. I'm glad Jackman is here to help their transition, previous coaches would have failed them.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by clivemcl on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:25 pm

Timoney was the equal of the Dragons winger for pace there!

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by marty2086 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:26 pm

And the Dragons winger is fairly fresh and Timoneys put in a big 80 mins

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:26 pm

Yellow?

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:26 pm

That's cheap, typical Ah You Idiot.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by carpet baboon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:27 pm

Why are you why oh why Rodney?

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Artful_Dodger on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:28 pm

Surprise surprise Ah You does something stupid. Just too much of a liability.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by carpet baboon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:28 pm

He really is his own worst enemy

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by marty2086 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:29 pm

Think you guys are a bit harsh on Ah You he committed and the guy turned his back, not as bad as it's being made out to be

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:29 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:Surprise surprise Ah You does something stupid.  Just too much of a liability.

He puts in a few big hits and carries, but I honestly get nervous every time he is on the pitch. He just can't help himself from doing something stupid.

Very happy with Timoney. I think he's a little lightweight for number 8 but he could be a really dynamic 7 perhaps.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Pete330v2 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:34 pm

Another decent performance. Happy with everyone tonight, even Rodney despite the brain fart. We're building nicely and that tonight will help the fringe players step up. Timoney take a bow and I hope we see more of you big Nick.
We're top of the conference!!

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Artful_Dodger on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:34 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Artful_Dodger wrote:Surprise surprise Ah You does something stupid.  Just too much of a liability.

He puts in a few big hits and carries, but I honestly get nervous every time he is on the pitch. He just can't help himself from doing something stupid.

Very happy with Timoney. I think he's a little lightweight for number 8 but he could be a really dynamic 7 perhaps.

If Timoney and Rea kick on we could have a couple of young starlets in the backrow. That is exactly the shot in the arm the academy needs. Ultimately though we still need to address the more deep rooted problems with the academy and schools setup.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by carpet baboon on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:36 pm

marty2086 wrote:Think you guys are a bit harsh on Ah You he committed and the guy turned his back, not as bad as it's being made out to be

If it was his first incident then yes it would be harsh, but let's be honest he has a bit of form. He's not nasty or vicious but gets himself in situations I wish he wouldn't

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Guest on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:38 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:Surprise surprise Ah You does something stupid.  Just too much of a liability.

Dodger, I've a lot of respect for your views, but Ah You was exactly what Ulster Rugby needed. He carried hard and he hit hard. Ok, it might be a once in a season thing, but don't bitch the guy for doing things right.

Overall, I'm delighted. My complaint has been the lack of aggression from the pack. Can't fault them tonight. Gibbes is having the desired impact. The forwards were magnificent tonight. Support play was superb.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Artful_Dodger on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:43 pm

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Artful_Dodger wrote:Surprise surprise Ah You does something stupid.  Just too much of a liability.

Dodger, I've a lot of respect for your views, but Ah You was exactly what Ulster Rugby needed. He carried hard and he hit hard. Ok, it might be a once in a season thing, but don't bitch the guy for doing things right.

Overall, I'm delighted. My complaint has been the lack of aggression from the pack. Can't fault them tonight. Gibbes is having the desired impact. The forwards were magnificent tonight. Support play was superb.

I agree with the underlying sentiment around aggression and its certainly some of our forwards need more of. But the guy is going to be way too much of a risk in big games if he does something like that early on. Bare in mind it was the 80th minute tonight when we were 30 points ahead, it won't always be like that.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Guest on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:48 pm

Timoney is a very decent player. Think he has the potential, but wait and see. I remember thinking Stockdale had the potential, but wasn't convinced. I thought he was too slow ... . Wee Marshall gave me a chuckle tonight when he went for the high ball, but the wee man has balls of steel.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Guest on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:51 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Artful_Dodger wrote:Surprise surprise Ah You does something stupid.  Just too much of a liability.

Dodger, I've a lot of respect for your views, but Ah You was exactly what Ulster Rugby needed. He carried hard and he hit hard. Ok, it might be a once in a season thing, but don't bitch the guy for doing things right.

Overall, I'm delighted. My complaint has been the lack of aggression from the pack. Can't fault them tonight. Gibbes is having the desired impact. The forwards were magnificent tonight. Support play was superb.

I agree with the underlying sentiment around aggression and its certainly some of our forwards need more of.  But the guy is going to be way too much of a risk in big games if he does something like that early on.  Bare in mind it was the 80th minute tonight when we were 30 points ahead, it won't always be like that.

Sure, on past history we can damn the guy, but allow for the Gibbes factor. Allow for redemption. Wait and see what happens. The thing is if a guy gives a performance at least acknowledge it.

And remember, Ah You was kept on tonight ....


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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:53 pm

Past history? He got yellow carded half an hour ago! Again!

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Guest on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:56 pm

Oh, wise up. One of the penalties against him wasn't his fault. the others I will look at, but you discount the things he did right. Are you such a bunch of pussies that you can't see we need aggressive hard hitting men? Complain when we don't have them, and bitch them when we do?

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Guest on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:57 pm

Ulster to a tee. No wonder we have been such wimps for so long.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Pete330v2 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:02 pm

Nick Williams was our go forward man but he was very similar in that you always expected him to give away reckless penalties. Rodney played very well tonight with his big defensive hits and giving plenty of go forward ball in attack.
Paul Marshall is a little warrior though, the big guys get all the credit but even look at the tackle he put in that ended his game. He rocketed from the scrum position right across the field to take that man down. Typical of his gutsy displays.
We were up against poor opposition but in recent years we'd have let that drag us down. That display showed a lot of intent from this squad, a fire in the guts that's been missing. Another 10 points would have been nice but wouldn't change the fact that the mindset has changed.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Guest on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:07 pm

Pete330v2 wrote:Nick Williams was our go forward man but he was very similar in that you  always expected him to give away reckless penalties. Rodney played very well tonight with his big defensive hits and giving plenty of go forward ball in attack.
Paul Marshall is a little warrior though, the big guys get all the credit but even look at the tackle he put in that ended his game. He rocketed from the scrum position right across the field to take that man down. Typical of his gutsy displays.
We were up against poor opposition but in recent years we'd have let that drag us down. That display showed a lot of intent from this squad, a fire in the guts that's been missing. Another 10 points would have been nice but wouldn't change the fact that the mindset has changed.

Spot on, Pete. Not sure that all the penalties were his fault, in fact I know they weren't. The bitching about him is uncalled for. For goodness sake we have been crying out for fighters. On that note, I loved Diack getting stuck into their THP tonight. Was that too shocking for some here? Grow a pair you wimps! This is what Ulster needs.

You're right about wee p. He's not the greatest, but he's a true Ulster warrior. Balls of steel.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Artful_Dodger on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:10 pm

Diack certainly went into contact harder tonight than he has in a long time.

A lot more aggression, going into contact harder and much better breakdown work.

The reason? Probably Gibbes.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by marty2086 on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:12 pm

On about 79 mins Diack was still coming off the line and getting in Dragons players face and making tackles


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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Artful_Dodger on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:13 pm

marty2086 wrote:On about 79 mins Diack was still coming off the line and getting in Dragons players face and making tackles


I loved his hand bags stuff with the Dragons tighthead, we haven't seen that side to him in far, far too long.

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Post by Guest on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:15 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:Diack certainly went into contact harder tonight than he has in a long time.

A lot more aggression, going into contact harder and much better breakdown work.

The reason?  Probably Gibbes.

Exactly, and that's why I say give them space. Praise them for what they do right, but hold off on damning them for a while. Give Gibbes time. Diack would have beaten the s h i t out of that THP tonight.

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Guest on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:24 pm

We are starting to see a new Ulster now. Let them breath....

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Re: Ulster v Dragons 22nd September 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:53 pm

Munchkin wrote:Oh, wise up. One of the penalties against him wasn't his fault. the others I will look at, but you discount the things he did right. Are you such a bunch of pussies that you can't see we need aggressive hard hitting men? Complain when we don't have them, and bitch them when we do?

Oh great, another internet hard man. Which grammar school taught you to use such aggressive language? Wink

Either way, when you can actually think straight and drop the hard man act, I think you will find that there is a difference between a numpty who drops the ball as much as he makes ground and gets carded as much as he puts in a big tackle, to the actual tough and aggressive players who are smart enough to stay on the field.

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