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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Bathite on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 4:48 pm

What a game! Killing me watching it on here and twitter

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 4:50 pm

You feckin BEAUTY!!!!!!

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 4:54 pm

Hell of a game and what a win. We took the first and last 20 but lost it in the middle part of the game. Overall we just deserved it.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 4:55 pm

I was furious with the first 3 games due to the lack of any attacking play...well today some off our play was class.

I hope we continue that style against London Irish!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 4:55 pm

I think we can safely say we have a real chance of a top 6 spot this season if we carry on playing like this, happy times.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by mid_gen on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 4:56 pm

Hope we don't rue that loss too much. We lost our shape when Smith went off and it looked like our fitness was starting to let us down, worrying considering most of the game was scrum restarts.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Fuzzy Dunlop on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 4:59 pm

Sounds like the Bath Newcastle game was as crazy as the one at the Stoop. Tigers got away with 2 clear yellow cards but the ref did his best to even it out by giving both front rows a yellow card despite Quins conceding twice as many penalties and later not giving a blatant yellow for Quins killing the ball on their 5m line.

I thought Toomua was MOTM last week despite not even making it to half time but this game he was head and shoulders above any other Tiger, every bit the signing we were hoping he'd be.

mid_gen wrote:Hope we don't rue that loss too much. We lost our shape when Smith went off and it looked like our fitness was starting to let us down, worrying considering most of the game was scrum restarts.

I never bought into the Harry Mallinder hype but I'm fully on the Smith bandwagon already. Unfortunate to come at a time when we have Ford and Farrell (our best option IMO) but he'll definitely get his shot.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by nathan on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 5:10 pm

Fuzzy Dunlop wrote:Sounds like the Bath Newcastle game was as crazy as the one at the Stoop. Tigers got away with 2 clear yellow cards but the ref did his best to even it out by giving both front rows a yellow card despite Quins conceding twice as many penalties and later not giving a blatant yellow for Quins killing the ball on their 5m line.

I thought Toomua was MOTM last week despite not even making it to half time but this game he was head and shoulders above any other Tiger, every bit the signing we were hoping he'd be.

mid_gen wrote:Hope we don't rue that loss too much. We lost our shape when Smith went off and it looked like our fitness was starting to let us down, worrying considering most of the game was scrum restarts.

I never bought into the Harry Mallinder hype but I'm fully on the Smith bandwagon already. Unfortunate to come at a time when we have Ford and Farrell (our best option IMO) but he'll definitely get his shot.

He's still only 18 so plenty of time for him

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Post by Heaf2 on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 5:19 pm

Well done to Falcons - sounds like it was a real hum-dinger ...

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by mid_gen on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 5:23 pm

Smith just has to the ability to read the game that you can't coach. His decision making is top notch, skills so far look decent and his defence pretty solid.

I was expecting Swiel to be out starting 10 this season tbh. Glad to have Smith though, and finally Walker to be starting! Clifford, Care, Brown, Smith were our best players today, probably give it to Clifford.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by nathan on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 5:28 pm

mid_gen wrote:Smith just has to the ability to read the game that you can't coach. His decision making is top notch, skills so far look decent and his defence pretty solid.

I was expecting Swiel to be out starting 10 this season tbh. Glad to have Smith though, and finally Walker to be starting! Clifford, Care, Brown, Smith were our best players today, probably give it to Clifford.

I'd knock Brown off that list, very petulant and should of done better with the hand off from Bateman.

He was good under the high ball though

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Recwatcher16 on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 7:38 pm

Just got back from game today. Bath made some appalling mistakes and gave away far too much possession with aimless kicking, very disappointing. Banahan is not a fullback.
Impressed with Newcastle - when they went behind, Socino was their rallying point and they took their chances with the possession given to them. They certainly have a big pack and with Flood to come in look like having a good season, notwithstanding injuries during the next seven months.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by yappysnap on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 7:55 pm

Well done Tigers!

A pretty entertaining game and not too bad a performance from Quins tbh. Struggled when Robshaw went off and as mentioned losing Smith hurt us too.

Need to get a hooker who can throw at lineouts.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 12:50 am

Just got in and watched Quins vs Tigers. Ref was useless, scrum was a complete dogs dinner throughout mainly because he couldn't ref it consistently. 

Tigers could have and probably should have scored the fourth bonus point try, we have to be more clinical.

Everytime Quins were in our 22 I thought they were going to score. No openside in the squad was an error, we weren't sharp enough at the breakdown. Quins were able to apply more pressure there with Robshaw and Clifford.

Mike Brown won't be happy that Eddie Jones was there today. Having a loosehead prop as wide as he is tall step you and race in for a try doesn't look good if you're an international fullback.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by king_carlos on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 2:56 am

Matt Toomua was a joy to watch in that game. Passing, kicking, running and more than anything exceptional in defence.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 8:48 am

king_carlos wrote:Matt Toomua was a joy to watch in that game. Passing, kicking, running and more than anything exceptional in defence.

Looking every bit the big name player we hoped we were signing. His centre partnership with Smith is very good in defence, really shut Marchant out of the game and left Roberts with only one running option straight back at Ford who tackled pretty well himself.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 9:34 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:

Mike Brown won't be happy that Eddie Jones was there today. Having a loosehead prop as wide as he is tall step you and race in for a try doesn't look good if you're an international fullback.

Wasn't it Ford that got skinned in a similar incident for Quins 2nd try? Not sure who is was that gassed him but he was hardly quick!

Just watched the highlights. That Veainu break.....sublime(6 players beat???) to May and that pass, so so bad.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Welly on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 10:17 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:

Mike Brown won't be happy that Eddie Jones was there today. Having a loosehead prop as wide as he is tall step you and race in for a try doesn't look good if you're an international fullback.

Wasn't it Ford that got skinned in a similar incident for Quins 2nd try? Not sure who is was that gassed him but he was hardly quick!

Just watched the highlights. That Veainu break.....sublime(6 players beat???) to May and that pass, so so bad.

Nope Ford wasn't committed to the tackle he was covering the area think it was toomua who attempted the tackle and got skinned on the inside.

Interesting that Ford made 12 tackles and missed none.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 10:41 am

Welly wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:

Mike Brown won't be happy that Eddie Jones was there today. Having a loosehead prop as wide as he is tall step you and race in for a try doesn't look good if you're an international fullback.

Wasn't it Ford that got skinned in a similar incident for Quins 2nd try? Not sure who is was that gassed him but he was hardly quick!

Just watched the highlights. That Veainu break.....sublime(6 players beat???) to May and that pass, so so bad.

Nope Ford wasn't committed to the tackle he was covering the area think it was toomua who attempted the tackle and got skinned on the inside.

Interesting that Ford made 12 tackles and missed none.

Ah, just watched it again. It was Toomua, hard to tell with his short hair. He did get skinned on the outside though, similar-ish to Brown.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 11:50 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:

Mike Brown won't be happy that Eddie Jones was there today. Having a loosehead prop as wide as he is tall step you and race in for a try doesn't look good if you're an international fullback.

Wasn't it Ford that got skinned in a similar incident for Quins 2nd try? Not sure who is was that gassed him but he was hardly quick!

Just watched the highlights. That Veainu break.....sublime(6 players beat???) to May and that pass, so so bad.

Yeah TV really turned up. He even put a couple of nice kicks in to keep it varied. The difference between when he joined and now is excellent, got to be the Geordie influence.

Brown hasn't had a great start to the season and he may be thanking his lucky stars Watson is injured because otherwise his shirt was under serious threat. Maybe he should look at getting a sprint coach in because he looks a step behind where he was last season. I think he's got a baby in the house so maybe he's a little distracted.

Ford has good acceleration but top speed isn't that quick. He didn't manage to out sprint young Marcus Smith to Youngs grubber through. It was a good battle between the two England flyhalfs. Can see that being an ongoing battle in the coming years.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 12:21 pm

Fuzzy Dunlop wrote:Sounds like the Bath Newcastle game was as crazy as the one at the Stoop. Tigers got away with 2 clear yellow cards but the ref did his best to even it out by giving both front rows a yellow card despite Quins conceding twice as many penalties and later not giving a blatant yellow for Quins killing the ball on their 5m line.

I thought Toomua was MOTM last week despite not even making it to half time but this game he was head and shoulders above any other Tiger, every bit the signing we were hoping he'd be.

mid_gen wrote:Hope we don't rue that loss too much. We lost our shape when Smith went off and it looked like our fitness was starting to let us down, worrying considering most of the game was scrum restarts.

I never bought into the Harry Mallinder hype but I'm fully on the Smith bandwagon already. Unfortunate to come at a time when we have Ford and Farrell (our best option IMO) but he'll definitely get his shot.

I am not sure anyone has ever touted Harry Mallinder as an England 10, he can do a job at club level, but is not great then. His position is 12 where he can do the offensive part of Farrell's job (at 12) a lot better, needs to get his defence sorted though before he can become a threat to OF. The one thing he has that no other potential 12 for England has, is a howitzer of a right boot, consistently gets 10m longer than any other player I have seen, 22m line to the 22m line from the 15m mark. For Saints current game plan that is a god send that allows them to ramp up the pressure. Also no where near Farrell's class with goal kicking, probably something to do with having the legs of a stork.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Fuzzy Dunlop on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 12:30 pm

Ok, but I never said anything about Mallinder playing 10. I'm saying I haven't bought into his hype at all in any position.

I just used him as an example as he was the first recently hyped up English back that came to mind.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 12:45 pm

How old is mallinder

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 12:48 pm

Sorry if I mis-understood you FD, as you went on to mention Ford ad Farrell when talking about Smith, I assumed you were talking about 10's.

GF Born June 1996, so 21. Still very young, but and old man when compared to Smith.


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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Fuzzy Dunlop on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 1:48 pm

Not your fault WPI, it was a lazily tacked on comment.

The point I should've made is that, whilst I think we're guilty of massively over-hyping young English players (backs especially), I can't stop myself from going against my better judgement and getting swept along with Smith. If the commentators weren't constantly banging on about how he's just got his A levels you could easily believe he's been playing AP rugby for at least a couple of years.

It's unfortunate for him that Ford and Farrell will probably be coming into their peaks at around the same time as he would ordinarily be looking to break into the England squad.

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Post by nathan on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 2:33 pm

Billy v out for 4 months

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by king_carlos on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:08 pm

Such a shame for Billy. Turns down what would likely have been a key role on a Lions tour to get right, then does his knee. So unlucky.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:12 pm

Saints 14 - 0 up after 10 minutes, Burrell and Horne.

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Post by Scottrf on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:17 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Saints 14 - 0 up after 10 minutes, Burrell and Horne.
The one dimension is a good one at the moment.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:21 pm

Saints 14-0 up without really having had to work for it so far. Sad
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Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:27 pm

Truly woeful defending for a 3rd try for Saints!
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Post by yappysnap on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:30 pm

Scottrf wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Saints 14 - 0 up after 10 minutes, Burrell and Horne.
The one dimension is a good one at the moment.

Wink
Just the right dimension for the job so far

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:31 pm

19 - 3 saints.

Ozzy, are you watching, if so where

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:32 pm

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:34 pm

Saints have been decent, but we have been the architects of our downfall.
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:34 pm

cheers Ozzy

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:35 pm

4th try Sad
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Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:37 pm

From 1-9 we have been woeful. 2nd best in every department.
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Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:40 pm

About 10 phases in their 22 and then we knock on. Same as last week!
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Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:45 pm

HT 26-6

We are lucky to only be 20 points behind. That was shocking. 10+ missed tackles by my rough count, box kicking terrible and losing the gain line collisions in attack and defence.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:52 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:About 10 phases in their 22 and then we knock on.  Same as last week!

You sound like you're in the same place we where in 2 seasons ago. Good build up play then constant handling errors when the pressure comes on, really infuriating!

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Post by stnick88 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:53 pm

Absolute shower of s hit. Tempted to leave now. No effort, just slipping off tackles, really disappointing.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 3:58 pm

Haven't seen it, only listening but both Bath and Leicester have had the same problem in the last two games although not at half time. Saints do play this direct game very well, their intensity is fantastic, I think that you should give Saints some credit and be a less critical of yourselves.

Thanks to Ozzy, now able to watch the game on a miniscule screen, but far better than radio.

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Post by Scottrf on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:00 pm

Horne has just transformed our midfield.

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:00 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Haven't seen it, only listening but both Bath and Leicester have had the same problem in the last two games although not at half time. Saints do play this direct game very well, their intensity is fantastic, I think that you should give Saints some credit and be a less critical of yourselves.

Thanks to Ozzy, now able to watch the game on a miniscule screen, but far better than radio.

Saints have been far better than us, I've said that. it doesn't change the fact that for tries 2 and 3 we missed basic first up tackles which let them in to score.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:07 pm

There are other sites with full screen Well-past-it.

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Post by Scottrf on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:09 pm

Exeters defensive line is great. Wasps lose 20m in 14 phases...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:11 pm

Fantastic try from Lewington!

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:11 pm

Fantastic individual try from Lewington. beats about 5 defenders. 13-26 now.
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Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:11 pm

McKibbin off thank feck, he's been shocking.
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