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2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 8:22 am

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Friday 22nd September

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Saturday 23rd September

Bath Vs Newcastle (15:00)
Harlequins vs Leicester (15:00)
Saracens vs Sale (15:00)

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:15 pm

Great hands by Saints for North's try, Mallinder from that angle????

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:17 pm

That's just about sums up our day. Intercept from Marshall who then trips over his own feet.
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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by nathan on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:19 pm

Doyle with a harsh decision against exeter there

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:20 pm

Impressed with the Ref, less so Mallinder.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by nathan on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:26 pm

Junior or senior?

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:31 pm

Good try from LI, showed the patience required at this level

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:31 pm

Harry.....aimless kicks, poor defence, poor decision making. He's got too much on his plate at 10 imo.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:34 pm

noticing a lot of obstruction off the ball, impeding possible tacklers. As I only have one eye, it seems to be coming from only one side

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:43 pm

an awful lot of passes going forward here

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by emontagu on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:46 pm

Lewington back chatting the ref and diving, not a good look.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 4:54 pm

Don't know if that was a try or not, but the question was a bit one sided, not "was the ball grounded" and the tv footage was very poor, one view from the back which showed nothing and a long distance shot from the other side that showed nothing in any detail.

Very spirited 2nd half from LI, I can't see them going down again if they can produce any of that spirit away from home. The trouble is the other perennial contenders for the drop Falcons are playing even better.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Heaf2 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 5:02 pm

Falcons won't be in the mix this year I don't think - seems like LI v Worcester at the moment ... early days of course.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 5:21 pm

The only other side I can see possibly getting dragged into it is Gloucester.
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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by nathan on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 5:31 pm

Nah, Gloucester will pick up the odd wins against the big teams that LI or wuss won't.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by stnick88 on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 6:06 pm

Agreed. Its us v Wuss.

We need to sort out our defence and slow starts. Our attack looks quite good. Expect Falcons to give us a good beating on Friday. Long term injuries to hobbs, reid and coman wont help.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 8:49 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:The only other side I can see possibly getting dragged into it is Gloucester.

As Ackermann gets settled in and injured players return they'll improve and start picking up wins. Owen Williams coming back from injury will be a big plus as will Moriarty.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by stub on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 9:07 pm

I agree that it is beginning to look like a two horse race at the bottom between Wuss and LI, however it is still very early days and it is not inconceivable that another team gets dragged in. Gloucester or Sale perhaps? Unlikely I know, but not impossible.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by yappysnap on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 10:23 pm

Sale are a good shout for being towards the bottom

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 24 Sep 2017, 10:38 pm

Sale have started poorly. The issues at flyhalf still remain and the tight five has the same problems as last year despite some shuffling of players. Maybe when O'Connor finally pulls on a shirt they'll come alive.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by king_carlos on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 12:19 am

1.Rapava-Ruskin
2.Hibbard
3.Afoa
4.Thrush
5.Slater
6.Moriarty
7.Ludlow
8.Ackermann

9.Heinz
10.Williams

11.Thorley
12.Twelvetrees
13.Trinder
14.Sharples
15.Woodward

16.Matu'u
17.Hohneck
18.Balmain
19.Savage
20.Morgan
21.Vellacott
22.Burns
23.Scott

Gloucs are still looking inconsistent as ever but that side on it's day should pick up more than enough wins to stay well away from relegation. On early showings I'd predict Irish and Worcs fighting it out at the bottom with Sale not far ahead.

That Gloucs side with Ackermann at the helm should improve on last seasons 9th place finish.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Scottrf on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 9:28 am

Why? Sale, Worcester and Irish aside I don't think it's better than other sides. 9th seems right.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by beshocked on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 10:38 am

At least the Steve Diamond hype as supposedly one of the best coaches in England is being burst....


Was impressed with Marcus Smith till his injury vs Leicester, was easily matching Ford and think if he stayed on, Quins would have likely won. Quins seemed to lose intensity and shape in his absence.

Ford actually played pretty well too. Defensively the most impressive performance I've seen from him.

Still can't say I am that impressed by Yarde (at times he's so lazy) and Brown (doesn't want to pass the ball), also getting skinned by a prop is pretty embarrassing.


May seems to be enjoying his rugby more since he moved to Leicester. Used his key strength well for his try - run very fast.


In regards to the England winger battle though I'd say Nowell was the pick of the bunch despite not scoring a try.

Woodburn was also very good aside from his elbow to the face (found it odd that both Attwood and Ugo applauded that).


I don't think Exeter's tactic of running almost everything will work against every opposition but worked well vs Wasps. Exeter looking strong at the moment.



Saracens backrow worries very serious now with Billy,Rhodes and Burger all going to be out for quite a while.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by propdavid_london on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 10:57 am

Fraser retiring too Beshocked.
What is Sarries likely to do about the back row - Will Brits be used like Dave Ward for Quins?
Obviously Itoje covers, while lumps like Skelton can come into the 2nd row.

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Post by beshocked on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 11:15 am

True about Fraser. Such a shame.

I doubt we'll see Brits in the backrow propdavid in london.

Problem is Itoje needs a rest. He's played every game so far.

Well Saracens still have Wray and Clark so I expect they will start.

It's that 3rd and 4th backrower which are the issues.

In the academy we have Jack Nay and Ben Earl so they might need to step up.

I guess as a patchwork backrow, Saracens could use

Itoje,Clark,Wray.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by englishborn on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 12:13 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:Sale have started poorly. The issues at flyhalf still remain and the tight five has the same problems as last year despite some shuffling of players. Maybe when O'Connor finally pulls on a shirt they'll come alive.

Saturday's game showed our 2 major issues which you have mentioned, I don't think we will be realistically afraid of relegation, but the lack of good options at 10 after MacGinty and he does not set the world alight (until at least O'conner plays). Our tight 5 are the worry and I was concerned when noone was brought it to resolve it.

Having said that we do have a very exciting back line, Faff is a joy to watch at 9 and our back rowers (especially the Curry brothers) are looking good, so expect them to carry us this season, 7th or 8th I see us finishing, however you never know.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by yappysnap on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 2:11 pm

I would be stunned if Sale made 7th or 8th.

bear in mind fighting for 5-8th you have Quins, Saints, Bath, Falcons and Gloucester. I don't see Sale doing better then any of those clubs unless external events heavily impact someone else (International periods or injuries).

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Ozzy3213 on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 2:27 pm

This might sound strange given that they inflicted our heaviest defeat on us, but Sale are the worst team we’ve faced by some considerable margin. We were shockingly bad against them, the top 4 or 5 teams would have put 60+ points on us the way we played that night.
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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Scottrf on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 2:31 pm

For me:

Top 3: Saracens Exeter Wasps
4-6: Saints Leicester Bath
7/8: Quins/Falcons
9: Gloucester
10: Sale
Bottom 2: Irish/Worcester

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by yappysnap on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 2:42 pm

I'm surprised so many people are putting Glos below Falcons.

It's a long season and yes Falcons are doing well now but can they sustain it? Likewise I see Gloucester getting better as the season goes on.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Scottrf on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 2:43 pm

yappysnap wrote:I'm surprised so many people are putting Glos below Falcons.

It's a long season and yes Falcons are doing well now but can they sustain it? Likewise I see Gloucester getting better as the season goes on.
They did last year. I know who I'd least like to face.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 2:52 pm

As Scott said, we finished above Gloucester last season and they don't look any stronger or more consistent imo.

I think we've went up a level and seem to be backing it up so far. Flood and Mermoz should help us even further. I think 6-8 is a reasonable expectation for us.


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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by englishborn on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 3:14 pm

yappysnap wrote:I would be stunned if Sale made 7th or 8th.

bear in mind fighting for 5-8th you have Quins, Saints, Bath, Falcons and Gloucester. I don't see Sale doing better then any of those clubs unless external events heavily impact someone else (International periods or injuries).

My Apologies I actually meant to say 8th or 9th, I was thinking of saying 7th as an outside chance but obviously had 7 in my head when I typed.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by formerly known as Sam on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 7:48 pm

beshocked wrote:At least the Steve Diamond hype as supposedly one of the best coaches in England is being burst....


Was impressed with Marcus Smith till his injury vs Leicester, was easily matching Ford and think if he stayed on, Quins would have likely won. Quins seemed to lose intensity and shape in his absence. 

Smith played very well but he needs to be a little more savvy. He offers little footwork as he passes so he tends to get pasted by committed forwards quite a bit. Genge, Cole and Williams all smashed him after he passed on Saturday (all committed before pass), I was surprised he eventually went off, can't keep putting the body through that. He was also lucky to not get sinbinned for cynically killing the ball in front of his line, he was saved by some very dodgy reffing.

He's got one of the best possible mentors in Nick Evans so I expect we'll see a lot more of him.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by yappysnap on Mon 25 Sep 2017, 10:44 pm

englishborn wrote:
yappysnap wrote:I would be stunned if Sale made 7th or 8th.

bear in mind fighting for 5-8th you have Quins, Saints, Bath, Falcons and Gloucester. I don't see Sale doing better then any of those clubs unless external events heavily impact someone else (International periods or injuries).

My Apologies I actually meant to say 8th or 9th, I was thinking of saying 7th as an  outside chance but obviously had 7 in my head when I typed.


No worries, it's a long season and it could happen. I just don't think you guys have the pack to compete all season.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by HongKongCherry on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 8:18 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:As Scott said, we finished above Gloucester last season and they don't look any stronger or more consistent imo.

I think we've went up a level and seem to be backing it up so far. Flood and Mermoz should help us even further. I think 6-8 is a reasonable expectation for us.


I'd agree on both fronts. For me Falcons stand the best chance of breaking in to the top 6 from last year's bottom 6. Full credit to Dean Richards, he's shown he's able to adapt his style of play.

Glaws have been a bottom 6 team for the last 6 years and I don't see any reason why that will change this season. I have full faith that Ackermann will lead to us significantly improving, but it won't be until next season that we start seeing the real benefits. Our scrum is hugely improved, but bar the first game our lineout is a shambles and we can't keep coughing up the ball in the oppo's 22. I have no doubt that once the likes of Moriarty, Morgan, Williams and Marshall return to fitness we will be much improved, but I can see us finishing 7th-9th.
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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Scottrf on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 9:11 am

BTW I think you Irish guys have been a bit harsh on your team for the first Saints try! That was exceptional.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by stnick88 on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 9:23 am

it was well executed, but it was from a poor kick from McKibbin, no real chase from any irish players and then about 3 missed tackles. easily avoidable.

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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Ozzy3213 on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 11:51 am

What Nick said
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Re: 2017/18 Aviva Premiership Round Four

Post by Scottrf on Fri 29 Sep 2017, 10:00 pm

yappysnap wrote:I'm surprised so many people are putting Glos below Falcons.

Still?

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