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Post by Rugby Fan Thu 05 Oct 2017, 3:48 pm

Friday, 6th October

Harlequins vs Sale (19:45)

Saturday, 7th October

Bath vs Worcester (15:00)
Exeter vs Newcastle (15:00)
Gloucester vs Northampton (15:00)
London Irish vs Leicester (15:00)

Sunday, 8th October

Saracens vs Wasps (15:00)

You want to see the team sheets these days, to see who is fit to take the field. Then again, not all the surprises so far are down to injury lists. All these matches probably have favourites but, with the possible exception of Bath against Worcester, the season results so far mean we shouldn't be surprised to see th e other team come out on top.

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Post by geoff999rugby Thu 05 Oct 2017, 6:05 pm

I would consider Bath, Exeter, Leicester, Saracens clear favourites

Wasps look a bit of a mess and for all the good results Newcastle have got cant see them winning at Sandy Park.
They are playing well but this is a different level

I'd also be fairly confident of Quins
The other game very interesting and the pick for me

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Thu 05 Oct 2017, 7:55 pm

If Gloucester play like they did last week, I can't see anything else but another BP win for Saints
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Post by propdavid_london Fri 06 Oct 2017, 8:39 am

I'm not confident of a Quins win! They are so frustrating to watch....

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Post by Scottrf Fri 06 Oct 2017, 8:45 am

propdavid_london wrote:I'm not confident of a Quins win!  They are so frustrating to watch....

Kingston seems out of his depth with what he's getting our of your squad and his Sinckler comments.

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Post by geoff999rugby Fri 06 Oct 2017, 8:47 am

True but to be honest Sale haven't looked great - last weeks result apart.

As for Gloucester a very different team at home than away - already beaten Exeter this year

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Post by Scottrf Fri 06 Oct 2017, 8:49 am

Quins, Bath, Exeter, Saints, Leicester, Sarries.

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Post by propdavid_london Fri 06 Oct 2017, 8:54 am

Scottrf wrote:
propdavid_london wrote:I'm not confident of a Quins win!  They are so frustrating to watch....

Kingston seems out of his depth with what he's getting our of your squad and his Sinckler comments.
He's been out of his depth from the start - sneaking a few results last season gave him a bit of breathing room. But a few more dodgy performances and the fans will turn on him again.
I agree that his comments about the Sinks incident were incredibly reactionary.

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Post by geoff999rugby Fri 06 Oct 2017, 9:06 am

Kingston needs glasses or he hasn't seen the video - clear contact with the eye.

Defending the indefensible puts him in a very poor light

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 06 Oct 2017, 10:07 am

geoff999rugby wrote:True but to be honest Sale haven't looked great - last weeks result apart.

As for Gloucester a very different team at home than away - already beaten Exeter this year

Sale did look good last week, helped by three interception passes and some disinterested back three defending by Glaws. It could be a morale boosting win, same team this week and O'Connor on the bench again to offer impact and leadership. If Sale have gelled then they could revert to being a team that are very difficult to put away and then it's game on because Quins are as likely to score as concede on any given play at the minute.

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Post by beshocked Fri 06 Oct 2017, 10:27 am

Playing at home makes a big difference.

Only away side I think will win will be Leicester but there have some funny results this time round.

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Post by Scottrf Fri 06 Oct 2017, 10:28 am

beshocked wrote:Playing at home makes a big difference.

People said that last week Wink

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 06 Oct 2017, 10:31 am

Surprised if Falcons took anything from this one.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 06 Oct 2017, 12:00 pm

London Irish: 15 Tommy Bell, 14 Alex Lewington, 13 Aseli Tikoirotuma, 12 Greig Tonks, 11 Topsy Ojo, 10 James Marshall, 9 Ben Meehan, 1 Ben Franks, 2 David Paice (c), 3 Petrus Du Plessis, 4 Franco van der Merwe, 5 Sebastian de Chaves, 6 Josh McNally, 7 Blair Cowan, 8 Jake Schatz

Replacements: 16 Todd Gleave, 17 Harry Elrington, 18 Ollie Hoskins, 19 Teofilo Paulo, 20 Lasha Lomidze, 21 Scott Steele, 22 Theo Brophy Clews, 23 Tom Fowlie
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Post by Scottrf Fri 06 Oct 2017, 12:01 pm

15 Ahsee Tuala
14 George North
13 Luther Burrell
12 Piers Francis
11 Tom Collins
10 Harry Mallinder
9 Cobus Reinach
1 Alex Waller
2 Dylan Hartley (capt)
3 Kieran Brookes
4 Michael Paterson
5 David Ribbans
6 Jamie Gibson
7 Teimana Harrison
8 Sam Dickinson

16 Mikey Haywood
17 Francois van Wyk
18 Jamal Ford-Robinson
19 Api Ratuniyarawa
20 Courtney Lawes
21 Alex Mitchell
22 Stephen Myler
23 Ben Foden

Very interesting lineup.


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Post by Welly Fri 06 Oct 2017, 12:08 pm

Leicester Tigers (v London Irish, away, Saturday 3.00pm)

15 Telusa Veainu
14 Nick Malouf
13 Gareth Owen
12 Matt Toomua
11 Jonny May
10 George Ford (c)
9 Sam Harrison
1 Greg Bateman
2 George McGuigan
3 Dan Cole
4 Dan Tuohy
5 Dom Barrow
6 Sione Kalamafoni
7 Will Evans
8 Valentino Mapapalangi

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17 Ellis Genge
18 Patrick Cilliers
19 Harry Wells
20 Luke Hamilton
21 Ben Youngs
22 Joe Ford
23 Mathew Tait

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 06 Oct 2017, 12:12 pm

We're going to need to play very well to get anything this weekend.  Good to see Tonks getting the start at 12 as he has been very good there when coming off the bench, but this is our 5th different centre pairing in 6 games so far this season, so whether it's going to gel or not is open to debate.

Petrus is lucky to keep the starting jersey as Ollie Hoskins has done well of the bench so far as well.


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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 06 Oct 2017, 12:32 pm

Good bit of rotation. Evans deserves his chance and Smith needed a break after his defensive heroics in recent weeks. Need to get Dan Cole off on half time or fifty minutes so he gets a little breather and Cilliers can get some minutes under the belt.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 06 Oct 2017, 1:34 pm

I was surprised with the LI scrum Oz, I thought it would be stronger. I think it's the first time we've had parity all season last week.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 06 Oct 2017, 1:48 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I was surprised with the LI scrum Oz, I thought it would be stronger. I think it's the first time we've had parity all season last week.

We were a lot stronger there before Hobbs-Awoyemi got injured and we've had to switch Franks to the loosehead side. I know he can and has played there, but he's been with us for 2 years and only played tighthead. du Plessis, apart from in the opening game against Quins has also not scrummaged brilliantly. I'm surprised he's starting this week.
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Post by Driver Fri 06 Oct 2017, 2:45 pm

Newcastle Falcons team to face Exeter Chiefs (Saturday, 3pm, Sandy Park)
15 Alex Tait
14 DTH van der Merwe
13 Chris Harris
12 Juan Pablo Socino
11 Vereniki Goneva
10 Craig Willis
9 Sonatane Takulua
1 Trevor Davison
2 Santiago Socino
3 Jon Welsh
4 Calum Green
5 Will Witty
6 Mark Wilson
7 Will Welch (captain)
8 Nili Latu
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17 Rob Vickers
18 Jake Ilnicki
19 Sean Robinson
20 Ally Hogg
21 Sam Stuart
22 Toby Flood
23 Josh Matavesi
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Post by Driver Fri 06 Oct 2017, 2:47 pm

Glad to see Toby Flood finally makes the 23 and a start at loosehead for Blaydon's Trevor Davison.
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Fri 06 Oct 2017, 3:03 pm

Saints team looks interesting, Francis starting at 12, Mallinder still at 10 despite Myler being fit. Could be interchangeable, but I can't see how it is going to work.

Good to see Lawes getting a bit of rest, even if he is on the bench.

Feel a bit sorry for Ludlam, I thought he has looked very good when he has played. Lawes could have had a proper rest as both Gibson and Harrison can play across the back row.
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Post by Geordie Fri 06 Oct 2017, 3:47 pm

Ahh so Flood is going to finally make an appearance.

Glad Willis is continued at FH as I think he's way better than Hodgson.

Ill be happy with a losing bonus point if we can get one....but I expect a defeat.

However i just want to add...I really want to see us going at Exeter. Playing the high tempo offloading game that we can play.

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Post by Scottrf Fri 06 Oct 2017, 7:55 pm

Well the quality has been dreadful first 10 minutes.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 06 Oct 2017, 7:58 pm

The Care kick is lovely but Robshaw was 100% holding on and should have been pinged after falling on the ball.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 06 Oct 2017, 8:09 pm

Having so many players on their feet in defence is only good if you're going to get off the line and pressure the opposition. Quins are winning all the collisions and are finding it too easy to achieve gain line success. Sale have to get after their half backs and hang on to the ball themselves if they wants some points.

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Post by mid_gen Fri 06 Oct 2017, 8:29 pm

Was a bit annoyed at Care forcing things too much at first but Sale's defence is so flaky it's working.

Dislocated shoulder for Clifford Sad

Matthews seems to be going backwards, terrible hands and fitness is dreadful.

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Post by Scottrf Fri 06 Oct 2017, 8:35 pm

Marcus Smith is just ridiculous for 18.

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Post by mid_gen Fri 06 Oct 2017, 8:40 pm

Scottrf wrote:Marcus Smith is just ridiculous for 18.

He's got what you can't coach, the instinct and speed of thought to make correct decisions reliably.

Really promising, his boot and skills seem to just be getting better.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 06 Oct 2017, 8:42 pm

Care has tried the golden pass too often he just needs patience and the slow Sale defence is giving up easy yards. Sale defence coach should be going crazy, Quins have an age on the ball whilst Sale have so many defenders on their feet. They have to start using those numbers to blitz Quins playmakers.

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Post by Scottrf Fri 06 Oct 2017, 9:00 pm

He's creating though...

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 06 Oct 2017, 9:00 pm

That lineout is not straight but Care has an age to put that kick in. Who is in charge of the Sale defence and why do they still have a job?

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Post by mid_gen Fri 06 Oct 2017, 9:03 pm

Say what you like about Visser, the man knows how to put away chances. Care's boot has been spot on as well.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 06 Oct 2017, 9:07 pm

mid_gen wrote:Say what you like about Visser, the man knows how to put away chances. Care's boot has been spot on as well.

There's so much space to aim at though because Sale are defending like a league team. Everyone is in the line. There's no pendulum system and no sweeper. You can't do that and have the line speed of a geriatric prop.

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Post by Scottrf Fri 06 Oct 2017, 9:09 pm

I think any team with ambition should be disappointed to not get 10 points vs Sale. They have some good pace in the back 3 but if you cut out silly errors they have nothing but mistakes.

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Post by Scottrf Fri 06 Oct 2017, 9:18 pm

But apparently teams can't cut out the silly errors...

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 06 Oct 2017, 9:21 pm

Scottrf wrote:I think any team with ambition should be disappointed to not get 10 points vs Sale. They have some good pace in the back 3 but if you cut out silly errors they have nothing but mistakes.

There's plenty of talent there. The tactics are shocking. Away from home why are you playing wide and in your own half? How can you not compete at the breakdown but have no line speed?

Sale have barely been in the game but have three tries. The players can play. Too many league coaches at Sale?

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Post by mid_gen Fri 06 Oct 2017, 9:41 pm

Is it really necessary to keep rewatching a bit of handbags ?

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 06 Oct 2017, 9:41 pm

What an over reaction for some handbags.

Kicking the ball put of the 9s hands was a worse offence was wrse than anything that occurred in the scrap.

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Post by nathan Sat 07 Oct 2017, 2:34 pm

Players dropping out Sad

Youngs out for harrison, still happy with him.

Veianu out for tait, tait is passed it now

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Post by nathan Sat 07 Oct 2017, 2:41 pm

Think Irish could take this

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Post by Heaf2 Sat 07 Oct 2017, 2:43 pm

I wish Wink

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Post by Heaf2 Sat 07 Oct 2017, 2:51 pm

As just mentioned we're missing our main defensive leaders and still haven't sorted out how to fix it ...

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Post by Heaf2 Sat 07 Oct 2017, 2:54 pm

Oh and no big Trev and our new winger already out with a broken arm ...

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Post by Heaf2 Sat 07 Oct 2017, 2:56 pm

And a far from ideal position with regards to our props ...

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Post by nathan Sat 07 Oct 2017, 3:01 pm

Just have a feeling about this game, we've rested a few players too

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Post by Heaf2 Sat 07 Oct 2017, 3:03 pm

Well there we go - although I thought there should have been a pen for the previous ruck with Tigers straight in from the side ...

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Post by Welly Sat 07 Oct 2017, 3:05 pm

Great try.

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Post by nathan Sat 07 Oct 2017, 3:05 pm

Heaf2 wrote:Well there we go - although I thought there should have been a pen for the previous ruck with Tigers straight in from the side ...

Should of been a pen and poss yellow for the Irish player not releasing next to his own line

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