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ERCC Round 2: Clermont v Saints

Post by Pot Hale on Thu 19 Oct 2017, 7:06 pm

21/10/2017 16:15 P2
ASM Clermont Auvergne v Northampton Saints
Stade Marcel-Michelin
beIN Sports / BT Sport

A belle French team playing an English errr team

Prediction:  Un flogging formidable!!


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Re: ERCC Round 2: Clermont v Saints

Post by Pot Hale on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 3:37 pm

7-0 to Clermont
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Re: ERCC Round 2: Clermont v Saints

Post by Pot Hale on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 3:39 pm

Dylan Hartley inspiring his troops as Saints put the pressure on in Clermont 22.

30 mins gone. Still 7-0.
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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 3:43 pm

Horrible injury for Camille Lopez. Leg went in two different directions.

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Re: ERCC Round 2: Clermont v Saints

Post by nathan on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 3:47 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:Horrible injury for Camille Lopez. Leg went in two different directions.

Not a fan of the replays shown

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 3:56 pm

Horrible replays.
Just about the slap down penalty after hartley has the ball down. First it went backwards. 2nd I'm 99 per cent certain you're allowed to slap the ball from someone's hands and it's not even a knock on if it goes forwards.

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Post by nathan on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 4:03 pm

Ref is losing it here, riding saints

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 4:07 pm

Parra is back on. The ref believes he was knocked out. Ref asking whether he passed his hia ie has no knowledge of the law which says he can't come back on. I'm not one to knock a ref without need but this ref needs to be removed from reffing as his ineptitude has placed a players safety at risk.

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Post by Scottrf on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 4:07 pm

That disallowed try was crazy. And Foden's holding on their player competed after having his hands on the floor.

French teams and concussions are ridiculous. Abysmal.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 4:14 pm

The ref finally gets round to saying as it's a hia or blood injury you don't have to go a man down as you would if there were an injury. He explained really badly to the french.

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Re: ERCC Round 2: Clermont v Saints

Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 4:35 pm

The ref doesn't know the laws.

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Re: ERCC Round 2: Clermont v Saints

Post by Heaf2 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 4:43 pm

Bit shocking when a ref doesn't know the laws - just like last year when Wasps were stitched up by an incompetent ref.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 4:46 pm

I'm watching a stream where, at half time, you could hear the BT commentary team mocking the referee's performance.

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Re: ERCC Round 2: Clermont v Saints

Post by Exiledinborders on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 4:52 pm

The referee is awful. I can accept that referees make mistakes but how can you make a mistake when you can see replays. The ball clearly went back so how can it be a knock on.

Why on earth did he keep asking if Saints have a hooker to come on when one is off for blood and he sent the other off. Surely he knows how many subs a team has!

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Post by nathan on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 5:00 pm

That was a clear red, it was a shoulder to his head.

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Post by nathan on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 5:01 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:I'm watching a stream where, at half time, you could hear the BT commentary team mocking the referee's performance.

Yeah it's flatly, he'll be in trouble for it

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Re: ERCC Round 2: Clermont v Saints

Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 5:01 pm

Tbf to the ref there if a prop etc can play at hooker they ate required to bring him on to prevent non contestable scrums.

Should have seen a red for a hit on hartley there though. Tmo led him.

And cos I'm counting there's the obigatory knock on from carrying by Lawes.


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Post by Scottrf on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 5:02 pm

We have made some mistakes in execution but Jesus we haven't been given a fair chance.

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Post by Scottrf on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 5:03 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Tbf to the ref there if a prop etc can play at hooker they ate required to bring him on to prevent non contestable scrums.

Should have seen a red for a hit on hartley there though. Tmo led him.

And cos I'm counting there's the obigatory knock on from carrying by Lawes.
Wasn't from carrying but cool.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 5:04 pm

Yeah it was more worrying about the contact and not big able to catch. Still keeping the average up though!

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Post by nathan on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 5:05 pm

I do wonder which have been worse, saints or the ref. Attacking play from saints has been woeful

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Re: ERCC Round 2: Clermont v Saints

Post by Heaf2 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 5:10 pm

Easy - the ref - it's a long time since I've seen anything this bad ... If I were a Saints fan I'd have exploded by now ...

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Post by Scottrf on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 5:20 pm

Keeping Lawes on should be a sackable offense.

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Re: ERCC Round 2: Clermont v Saints

Post by eirebilly on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 5:27 pm

Well lads, that could be one of the odd game I have seen for some time. A horrible injury to Lopez, it does not look good. Wish they would not show the replays of injuries like that, it really did not look good.

Seems the young ref was well out of his depth, was very confused by several of his rulings.
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Post by Heaf2 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 5:31 pm

You're not the only one that was confused by them ...

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Post by Exiledinborders on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 6:04 pm

Heaf2 wrote:You're not the only one that was confused by them ...
I think the pressure got to him.

I would like to see us move to a situation where decisions are referred to the TMO and the TMO who has the better view and is away from the pressure on the pitch just makes a decision.

Not that it will do any good but Saints should make an official complaint about the standard of refereeing in the game.

1) Saints try wrongly disallowed despite video review seemingly because ref did not know the rules.
2) Parra allowed back on despite ref saying he had been knocked out.
3) Chaos and confusion prior to non contested scrum where ref seemed to think Saints might have three hookers!
4) Hartley wrongly given a yellow
5) Clermont player given yellow rather than red for putting shoulder to Hartley's head.

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Post by Heaf2 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 6:07 pm

The pen against Foden for holding on when just short of the line was also wrong in about 3 different ways ...

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Post by marty2086 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 6:15 pm

Exiledinborders wrote:

2) Parra allowed back on despite ref saying he had been knocked out.

Refs aren't doctors and pretty sure they can't stop a player returning to the field if they pass a HIA


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Post by Scottrf on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 6:16 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Exiledinborders wrote:

2) Parra allowed back on despite ref saying he had been knocked out.

Refs aren't doctors and pretty sure they can't stop a player returning to the field if they pass a HIA

Yes they can. If there's any hint that they have been knocked out, there shouldn't even be a HIA.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 6:21 pm

Scottrf wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Exiledinborders wrote:

2) Parra allowed back on despite ref saying he had been knocked out.

Refs aren't doctors and pretty sure they can't stop a player returning to the field if they pass a HIA

Yes they can. If there's any hint that they have been knocked out, there shouldn't even be a HIA.

Correct and right. The second he suspected that Parra was knocked out, he was within the rules to not allow him back on.
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Post by marty2086 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 6:22 pm

Scottrf wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Exiledinborders wrote:

2) Parra allowed back on despite ref saying he had been knocked out.

Refs aren't doctors and pretty sure they can't stop a player returning to the field if they pass a HIA

Yes they can. If there's any hint that they have been knocked out, there shouldn't even be a HIA.

No the guidance is that it's referred to a medical professional

. It should only be in rare and exceptional circumstances that a player
with concussion or suspected concussion is not medically assessed.


Once its been referred it's up to the medical professional

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 6:25 pm

No he said that parra was unconcious and has made an almighty man sausage up letting him back on. Endangered the player and frankly he should be stood down for a few weeks.

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Post by Exiledinborders on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 7:00 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Exiledinborders wrote:

2) Parra allowed back on despite ref saying he had been knocked out.

Refs aren't doctors and pretty sure they can't stop a player returning to the field if they pass a HIA

Yes they can. If there's any hint that they have been knocked out, there shouldn't even be a HIA.

No the guidance is that it's referred to a medical professional

. It should only be in rare and exceptional circumstances that a player
with concussion or suspected concussion is not medically assessed.


Once its been referred it's up to the medical professional
I think you are misinterpreting the laws.

If the referee believes they have been knocked out then that is the end of their game. Of course they should then be referred to a medical professional. But their role is not to decide if they play but to care for them and if necessary send them to hospital.

To be honest to whole HIA system is flawed. If a player gets a head knock and under the current rules should receive an HIA they should not take any further part in the game. What does it matter if a player misses the rest of the game compared to the risk of brain injury with lifelong consequences or even death?

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Post by Exiledinborders on Sat 21 Oct 2017, 7:00 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Exiledinborders wrote:

2) Parra allowed back on despite ref saying he had been knocked out.

Refs aren't doctors and pretty sure they can't stop a player returning to the field if they pass a HIA

Yes they can. If there's any hint that they have been knocked out, there shouldn't even be a HIA.

No the guidance is that it's referred to a medical professional

. It should only be in rare and exceptional circumstances that a player
with concussion or suspected concussion is not medically assessed.


Once its been referred it's up to the medical professional
I think you are misinterpreting the laws.

If the referee believes they have been knocked out then that is the end of their game. Of course they should then be referred to a medical professional. But their role is not to decide if they play but to care for them and if necessary send them to hospital.

To be honest to whole HIA system is flawed. If a player gets a head knock and under the current rules should receive an HIA they should not take any further part in the game. What does it matter if a player misses the rest of the game compared to the risk of brain injury with lifelong consequences or even death?

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 22 Oct 2017, 12:17 pm

In the process of moving house, so to busy to watch the game, but it seems to me from the radio commentaries and posts on this board that Saints have really been on the receiving end of a number of bad and game changing decisions for the last two weeks. Hartley's yellow, Farrell's elbow last week and just about everything this.

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