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Post by Pot Hale on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 1:55 am

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Oct 31, Tuesday morning, World Rugby plans to announce who is the recommended host country for RWC 2023. The recommendation is contained in a 220 page analysis report conducted by an independent firm of assessors who have pored through every detail of the three bids. Apparently they've looked at everything from travel times, to accommodation, stadia facilities, and how long the queues would be for the loo.

Bookies had Ireland as favourites but their odds have lengthened slightly. Bill Beaumont and Agustin Pichot were given the report last Friday. The full document will be released to media today Oct 31, to maintain transparency and integrity of the bid process.

All the WR unions, except the three bidders, will vote on who should get it on November 15. It's a secret ballot, but the likelihood of a vote going against the recommendation would cause more than a few raised eyebrows. It could still happen though.

There could be a lot of glum faces by midday in either Dublin, or Paris or Cape Town.

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Nov 15, Wednesday, World Rugby plans to announce who the World Rugby Council of Unions have voted in favour to be host country for RWC 2023.  The various unions can relay on a 220 page analysis report conducted by an independent firm of assessors who pored through every detail of the three bids. And they said that any of the three bidders could host the RWC but based on their scoring, their recommendation was South Africa.

Irelamd didn’t get the RWC.

Snot fair.


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Post by Gwlad on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 6:58 pm

Shameful to question the process in such a way and to draw attention to the underlying security situation when SA has successfully hosted football and rw cups and aLions tours. Let's look at the underlying security situation in Ireland while those tournaments were being put on. Disgraceful. Perhaps they should get planning permission for their stadia first before putting them in the bid

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 8:25 pm

Gwlad wrote:Shameful to question the process in such a way and to draw attention to the underlying security situation when SA has successfully hosted football and rw cups and aLions tours. Let's look at the underlying security situation in Ireland while those tournaments were being put on. Disgraceful. Perhaps they should get planning permission for their stadia first before putting them in the bid

In the Irish bit of the UK, you mean? Oh dear, that's your jurisdiction Gwlad..... out of our hands.

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Post by Gwlad on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 9:13 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Shameful to question the process in such a way and to draw attention to the underlying security situation when SA has successfully hosted football and rw cups and aLions tours. Let's look at the underlying security situation in Ireland while those tournaments were being put on. Disgraceful. Perhaps they should get planning permission for their stadia first before putting them in the bid

In the Irish bit of the UK, you mean?  Oh dear, that's your jurisdiction Gwlad..... out of our hands.

Fomented from cross the border but nice try thumbsup

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Post by Gwlad on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 9:17 pm

And doesn't deflect from the fact that while SA was totally rebuilding itself politically and hosting world class sports events, Northern Ireland was still in the throes of tearing itself to pieces while the Republic's territorial claims just exacerbated the issue still further.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 9:26 pm

Gwlad wrote:And doesn't deflect from the fact that while SA was totally rebuilding itself politically and hosting world class sports events, Northern Ireland was still in the throes of tearing itself to pieces while the Republic's territorial claims just exacerbated the issue still further.

My god either you are a first grade troll or completely clueless

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 9:38 pm

Most of the Irish members on this thread are behaving like trolls marty.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 9:53 pm

Trolls are mostly nice people, vastly misunderstood and maybe a tad inbred...but nice mostly.

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Post by Griff on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 9:55 pm

Why does everyone get reeled in so easily by Gwlad?! He's so unsubtle that it should be obvious that he's fishing for nibbles! Laugh

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 9:56 pm

Griff wrote:Why does everyone get reeled in so easily by Gwlad?! He's so unsubtle that it should be obvious that he's fishing for nibbles! Laugh

Only problem is he don't know he's the fish and the nibbles is bait, like Wink

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Post by Griff on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 10:02 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Griff wrote:Why does everyone get reeled in so easily by Gwlad?! He's so unsubtle that it should be obvious that he's fishing for nibbles! Laugh

Only problem is he don't know he's the fish and the nibbles is bait, like Wink  

Ooh, I like the thinking 'Fly!

Good to have you back, btw.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 3:02 am

Sin é wrote:The world average of murders per 100,000 is 6.2. In SA, the average is 34.1. White farmers (traditionally rugby supporters) are really under siege at the moment, with 156 murders per 100,000.

Yep and it's supposedly backed by the black SA government who want white people off the land. It's the same situation in Zimbabwe although the government was a lot more open about it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-132504/Zimbabwe-white-farmers-fight-flee.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/zimbabwe-seized-white-farmers-land-now-some-are-being-invited-back/2015/09/14/456f66d6-45d2-11e5-9f53-d1e3ddfd0cda_story.html?utm_term=.5cd029ec0fe1

SA farmers mostly work together and arm themselves as the government won't help. In the big cities private security firms are often hired but they're more like bounty hunters/mercenaries (I've learned a lot from Louis Theroux). They don't mess about so if the corrupt big wigs can actually pay them the rugby fans will stay safe.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 9:47 am

And this is a country that is on a par with Ireland when it comes to security - really ???

Makes the questioning of the report and its validity a legitimate debate.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 9:51 am

Would that not wholly depend on the mitigation plans in place? The findings do not state that the same amount of security would be there jut the outcomes.

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Post by SecretFly on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 10:31 am

QED - Ireland doesn't have enough heavily armed Private armies.... militias..... mercenaries..... security firms Whistle wandering around the Nation keeping every good citizen safe in his bed at night...or riddled to death in a mistake mercy killin'.................

That settles it - Dick Spring got it all wrong. He tried the thatched cottage angle but really what the judges were looking for was a Wild West barbequed rustlers and bounty hunters kinda show.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 2:58 am

I think they should scrap this policy of a report and recommendation in future. There have not really been many positives to take from it.

I think it would be better, and in some ways fairer, if each bid was investigated for due dilligence purpoes regarding its capabilty of hosting a World Cup. Provided it passes that, it should really then be left up to the bidding countries to present their proposals free from any external influences.


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Post by Gwlad on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 5:29 am

SecretFly wrote:QED - Ireland doesn't have enough heavily armed Private armies.... militias..... mercenaries..... security firms  Whistle  wandering around the Nation keeping every good citizen safe in his bed at night...or riddled to death in a mistake mercy killin'.................

That settles it - Dick Spring got it all wrong.  He tried the thatched cottage angle but really what the judges were looking for was a Wild West barbequed rustlers and bounty hunters kinda show.

Not anymore that is.

So ignorant and stereotypical to suggest SA is a bad place for the RWC, bet yo've never even been there

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Post by Pot Hale on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 12:41 pm

This is turning into farce. Apparently, according to a story in the Sunday Times by one S Jones, the Irish government asked the UK government to persuade two of the three British unions of the UK’s view on who they should vote for. Teresa May would like Ireland to be the host location. World Rugby is now cheesed off big time.

IRFU should fold their tent and depart. This is not going to end well.
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Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 1:09 pm

Pot Hale wrote:This is turning into farce.  Apparently, according to a story in the Sunday Times by one S Jones, the Irish government asked the UK government to persuade two of the three British unions of the UK’s view on who they should vote for.  Teresa May would like Ireland to be the host location.   World Rugby is now cheesed off big time.

IRFU should fold their tent and depart.  This is not going to end well.  

IRFU are quite right to canvas for votes. Although Stephen Jones isnt the most relaible source. I also wouldnt be too worried about World Rugby getting pissed off at all.

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Post by SecretFly on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 1:45 pm

Gwlad wrote:
SecretFly wrote:QED - Ireland doesn't have enough heavily armed Private armies.... militias..... mercenaries..... security firms  Whistle  wandering around the Nation keeping every good citizen safe in his bed at night...or riddled to death in a mistake mercy killin'.................

That settles it - Dick Spring got it all wrong.  He tried the thatched cottage angle but really what the judges were looking for was a Wild West barbequed rustlers and bounty hunters kinda show.

Not anymore that is.

So ignorant and stereotypical to suggest SA is a bad place for the RWC, bet yo've never even been there
It's neither a bad place for a World Cup nor I'm sure a bad place to live.  But it's not me that suggested Private Security firms from Cities are used by 'White' farmers to protect their land and their lives.
- I have news for you...those would be called private armies/militias in other regions of the world; - just think back to Iraq, when Private American mercenary 'Security firms' did a lot of the 'after-war' protecting and ...extra curricular stuff.

No, I've never been to South Africa - is this a 'show us your passport stamps' pub game?  I've never been to Iraq either, but I hear there are places there that you don't get shot at on a daily basis either.  I'm glad to hear it. It's nice that most countries have their nice bits as kind of sanctuaries against the bad bits.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 2:12 pm

You would expect the three bidding countries to be trying to canvas support right up until the votes are cast. The commissioned report is only a reccommendation after all (and indicated all three countries were capable of successfully hosting a world cup).

I dont the report has worked in practice. It would be be better to be carried out well in advance of the voting as primarliy a due dilligence excercise. Reccommendations and findings of the report shoud then be sent to the individual bidding nations with any areas of concern highlighted. I dont think the reort should assume the onus of outright reccommending one bid unless it sees that bid as the only viable one capable of hosting the event.

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Post by SecretFly on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 2:31 pm

The published report - if it becomes a tradition that such a report is seen as 'Law' (and plenty of people are saying the Individual Unions will now not want to be seen to go against the 'report' ) - but if it becomes a traditional rubber stamp of approval then that means that the Rugby World Cup, just like all the other World Cups and Major Sport Events, is herded to the usual BIG Central World HUBs  (UK, France, USA, China... Paris, London, New York... the Perfume Factor!)
I don't like that concept - that Londoners or New Yorkers or Americans, or British, or French or Chinese people get all the treats on their own doorstep just because they have the perceived mega money, the infrastructure and  the mega populations.
These BIG events must get with the 21st Century and find ways of spreading themselves into the heartlands of 'little people' Wink  The technology and interconnectedness is there for it to happen... all it needs is the brains to make it work.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 4:21 pm

I also think the commissiond report and public recommendation primarily generates negativity around the bids rather than assisting nations to look inwardly and improve their own bid (which would lead to better world cups). It puts all the bids on the defensive with the focus on why a country is unsuitable as a venue rather than what makes it a good selection.

A confidential assessment made available to World Rugby and to the bidding nations I think would switch the focus on how to assist the bidding Nations in improving their own bids rather than why a rival bid would be bad or incorrectly assessed.

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Post by Gwlad on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 5:57 pm

Good to see the Irish winning something vs SA Very Happy

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 9:13 pm

Thanks for that collapse. You learn something new everyday and now I know Zodwa Wabantu.

Zodwa Wabantu........

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 9:07 am

I think collapse needs to let this go now.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 9:11 am

Why the South Africans themselves have grave concerns.

I think you need to acknowledge this has been a flawed process

Also it isn't over till the fat lady stops singing...........

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Post by Collapse2005 on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 9:32 am

LordDowlais wrote:I think collapse needs to let this go now.

The voting hasn't even started yet??

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 9:43 am

LordDowlais wrote:I think collapse needs to let this go now.

Just a little queskin Lord. Answer honestly now.
Do you think Wales would like to put in another bid to host the WC sometime in the future - five, ten, fifteen years down the line?

Now I mean a request to fully HOST the thing in its own right, not a request to be part of someone else's bid (ie England's or Scotland's etc) - on your own - do you think the WRU would at some point in the future want to bid for it? Coz with the new rules and 'qualification' standards....it ain't likely to ever happen again. Anytime France or Australia or England or indeed Russia or America, bid for the WC, Wales will not win on any of the criteria sought.

Just a thought. Sometimes you need to be thinking of yourselves when making pronouncement on little places like Ireland. Sometimes it's better to stick together on the theories of Hosting ...... and just forget about those bad Irish refs sometimes Wink Hug

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 9:46 am

Fly, he'd just find a way to blame the Irish for it not happening as per usual.

If they never bid for it it's because the Irish spoiled it for them Rolling Eyes

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Post by Sin é on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 1:38 pm

According to Times, England is supporting Ireland's bid. Scotland and Wales are not!

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 1:47 pm

Sin é wrote:According to Times, England is supporting Ireland's bid. Scotland and Wales are not!


There you go, and no surprise in it. Wales didn't like it that Millennium was off the list of Irish hosting Stadiums to be used. So the knives were out there obviously. Scotland ...well, I don't know what went wrong with them boys (not Irish refs again, tis it???) but I do ever so hope the IRFU have a long memory for such things from both Pro14 'PALS' - I know I will Wink

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Post by Sin é on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 1:49 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Sin é wrote:According to Times, England is supporting Ireland's bid. Scotland and Wales are not!


There you go, and no surprise in it.  Wales didn't like it that Millennium was off the list of Irish hosting Stadiums to be used.  So the knives were out there obviously.  Scotland ...well, I don't know what went wrong with them boys (not Irish refs again, tis it???) but I do ever so hope the IRFU have a long memory for such things from both Pro14 'PALS' - I know I will Wink

They are probably pissed off with the IRFU because they stand up for Italy (who I believe are supporting Ireland).
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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 1:52 pm

Sin é wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Sin é wrote:According to Times, England is supporting Ireland's bid. Scotland and Wales are not!


There you go, and no surprise in it.  Wales didn't like it that Millennium was off the list of Irish hosting Stadiums to be used.  So the knives were out there obviously.  Scotland ...well, I don't know what went wrong with them boys (not Irish refs again, tis it???) but I do ever so hope the IRFU have a long memory for such things from both Pro14 'PALS' - I know I will Wink

They are probably pissed off with the IRFU because they stand up for Italy (who I believe are supporting Ireland).

Wey! Hey! HEY!

I did my bit over the years on that score for Italy. I'm glad the passionate Italianos like us coz I likes them.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 2:08 pm

Sin é wrote:According to Times, England is supporting Ireland's bid. Scotland and Wales are not!


Do you have a link Siné?

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Post by Scottrf on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 2:13 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
Sin é wrote:According to Times, England is supporting Ireland's bid. Scotland and Wales are not!


Do you have a link Siné?

http://bfy.tw/F1bt

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 2:13 pm

I was checking up that story and doing the old Google search and sure enough I came across the real reason we became unpopular as potential hosts..... I didn't know it then but know it now, ye olde Sir Bobtastic Geldof himself lent his 'support' to our cause sometime in September.

Well...obviously, it was all downhill from there for us.

Thanks Bob and thanks for giving back the sheep too OK Decent man.

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 2:16 pm

SecretFly wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I think collapse needs to let this go now.

Just a little queskin Lord.  Answer honestly now.  
Do you think Wales would like to put in another bid to host the WC sometime in the future - five, ten, fifteen years down the line?

Now I mean a request to fully HOST the thing in its own right, not a request to be part of someone else's bid (ie England's or Scotland's etc)  - on your own - do you think the WRU would at some point in the future want to bid for it?  Coz with the new rules and 'qualification' standards....it ain't likely to ever happen again.  Anytime France or Australia or England or indeed Russia or America, bid for the WC, Wales will not win on any of the criteria sought.

Just a thought.  Sometimes you need to be thinking of yourselves when making pronouncement on little places like Ireland.  Sometimes it's better to stick together on the theories of Hosting ...... and just forget about those bad Irish refs sometimes Wink Hug

For the record, and if you could bother to read through the whole thread, or skim through it, I have said on numerous occasions that I am disappointed that Ireland did not get this WC. It would have been as close to a home WC I could have had without Wales hosting it.

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 2:16 pm

marty2086 wrote:Fly, he'd just find a way to blame the Irish for it not happening as per usual.

If they never bid for it it's because the Irish spoiled it for them Rolling Eyes

What a pleb. picard

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 2:28 pm

LordDowlais wrote:

For the record, and if you could bother to read through the whole thread, or skim through it, I have said on numerous occasions that I am disappointed that Ireland did not get this WC. It would have been as close to a home WC I could have had without Wales hosting it.

Look, Lord, I don't even read through all my own sentences.... and it shows Wink

But I'm glad you were on our side ...but now extend that to how annoyed you'd be at some of the reasons/excuses dropped onto us not being a desirous Nation to drop the said World Cup into.  
We're actually being mild in our reactions in terms of what I'm fully certain would be miles and miles of outrage coverage from Welsh media and WRU sources and the remaining Welsh souls on this here forum.
When you feel you are being set up for a cheat steal then you feel you are being set up for a cheat steal.  You voice such concerns all through Pro12/14 seasons.

Anyway, if the WRU DO vote against our bid, that's fair enough in love and war, their right to do so - but I repeat, I hope the IRFU nail it to the wall for future reference along with the SRU stickie too; and I kinda know they will.

"No hard feelings?  Just biz."

"Oh yeah..... no hard feelings at all (Secretive villainish giggle)....."

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Post by Sin é on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 2:43 pm

Here you go for the link.

https://twitter.com/thetimesIE/status/930210643512356864

Or if you can't see it there, here is a screen shot of it.

https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/16/53/77/41/timesr10.png
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Post by marty2086 on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 3:17 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Fly, he'd just find a way to blame the Irish for it not happening as per usual.

If they never bid for it it's because the Irish spoiled it for them Rolling Eyes

What a pleb. picard

Do you even know what a pleb is?

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 3:24 pm

Oxford Dictionary:

PLEB - Peevish Leprechaunish Execrable Basteraud

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Post by Scottrf on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 3:26 pm

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Fly, he'd just find a way to blame the Irish for it not happening as per usual.

If they never bid for it it's because the Irish spoiled it for them Rolling Eyes

What a pleb. picard

Do you even know what a pleb is?

He's right though, you do come across as a poor person.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 3:28 pm

Sin é wrote:Here you go for the link.

https://twitter.com/thetimesIE/status/930210643512356864

Or if you can't see it there, here is a screen shot of it.

https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/16/53/77/41/timesr10.png

Thanks.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 3:36 pm

Scottrf wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Fly, he'd just find a way to blame the Irish for it not happening as per usual.

If they never bid for it it's because the Irish spoiled it for them Rolling Eyes

What a pleb. picard

Do you even know what a pleb is?

He's right though, you do come across as a poor person.

Who knew financial standing translated through writings on a forum Shocked

Not that is what a pleb is, it's based on social standing not finances Rolling Eyes

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Re: Wales and Scotland are big meanies - Discuss

Post by LordDowlais on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 3:44 pm

FFS.

Now you are debating what a pleb is. Who cares, I have always called people who have nothing better to do than act twp, a pleb.

P.S put "twp" or "dwp" into google translate, just to get you started,it is a Welsh word.

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Re: Wales and Scotland are big meanies - Discuss

Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 3:55 pm

TWP (Welsh) - Google Translate - TWP (English)
DWP (Welsh) - Google Translate - DWP (English)

?

Is Google Translate broken?

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Re: Wales and Scotland are big meanies - Discuss

Post by Scottrf on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 3:56 pm

SecretFly wrote:TWP (Welsh) - Google Translate - TWP (English)
DWP (Welsh) - Google Translate - DWP (English)

?

Is Google Translate broken?

Don't capitalise it...

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Re: Wales and Scotland are big meanies - Discuss

Post by marty2086 on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 4:02 pm

Apparently means stupid, which is very nice of him and name calling is debating now and from someone who was telling people what was and wasn't relevant to the matter

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